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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: wow]
    #14068609 - 03/04/11 10:12 PM (13 years, 18 hours ago)

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i dont know what kind of bullshit you boys got..  they say i got attention deficit high definition :grin:





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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: smokesnugz]
    #14069429 - 03/05/11 02:02 AM (13 years, 14 hours ago)

Foss1l: Ok, I get what you are saying and pretty much agree with you, but Have you ever seen that happen? I mean parents feeding their kids pills because they are annoying? Dunno, seems that if you are a parent giving psychiatric medication to your kid would be last resort, and if you indeed wouldn't care enough then there would be simpler way to shut them up(locking them in their room, sending them outside and locking the door, chloroform? :crazy2:)

And on your second point, I get what you are saying, but you forget one thing. ADHD and all the other disorders are just descriptions made primarily for specialists to know what to do when someone comes with a specific set of symptoms. They become part of the pop-culture but often in a distorted way that doesn't necessarily reflect their definition. Someone said before that the main type of ADHD is the inattentive type, not the hyperactive...see what I mean? Everybody and their cousin seems to have an opinion on mental disorders just because they spent 5 minutes reading wiki and saw it in a movie...sadly that's not how it works...you need about 10 years of solid studying and looking at a variety of patients to understand and be able to diagnose these things...


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: 13.step]
    #14069433 - 03/05/11 02:03 AM (13 years, 14 hours ago)

ADD/ ADHD is simply when a kid has a lot of energy lives to be active and annoys the adults around him, its not a disorder. At all.

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14069439 - 03/05/11 02:05 AM (13 years, 14 hours ago)

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: 13.step]
    #14069442 - 03/05/11 02:07 AM (13 years, 14 hours ago)

Well really, Calling it a "disorder" is ludicrous.

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14069490 - 03/05/11 02:28 AM (13 years, 14 hours ago)

Have you ever seen someone with ADD? How did you come up with that definition, to be a disorder it needs to impact the life quality in a negative way, and I am sure real ADD does.


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: 13.step]
    #14069499 - 03/05/11 02:32 AM (13 years, 14 hours ago)

What is Real ADD, you got a video of it so I can see? I got "diagonsed" with it when I was 7 cause I was made life hard for my teacher and she whined about it to my parents. I know I didnt have a disorder.

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #14069609 - 03/05/11 04:32 AM (13 years, 12 hours ago)

My niece was about 8 years old and she couldn't learn to read.  My sister took her took her to a bunch of doctors, and fought with the people in the school, even put her in a special school.  A doctor finally gave her adderall, problem solved.  She learned to read in just a couple months, and stayed on adderall for about 2 years, then told my sister she didn't need it anymore. 

It is probably overdiagnosed.  And a lot of older people diagnosed with it are probably bipolar.


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14069679 - 03/05/11 05:58 AM (13 years, 10 hours ago)

There you go, starfire summed it up pretty nice...don't blame the system and the science for the faults of your parents/teachers/doctors

Mania/hypomania may look like ADD, I can only imagine what would happen if someone in a manic phase got amphetamines, psychotic hilarity probably...:rofl2: "unplug this bastard!!!"


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14069798 - 03/05/11 07:09 AM (13 years, 9 hours ago)

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ADD/ ADHD is simply when a kid has a lot of energy lives to be active and annoys the adults around him, its not a disorder. At all.



yes, tis fact. :tongue:

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: 13.step]
    #14069942 - 03/05/11 08:20 AM (13 years, 8 hours ago)

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Mania/hypomania may look like ADD, I can only imagine what would happen if someone in a manic phase got amphetamines, psychotic hilarity probably...:rofl2: "unplug this bastard!!!"




People with mania will often drive themselves into mania with amps, I used to do it.  In fact my doctor cut my scrip down last time because I was bouncing when I went in to see him.  :mad2:

I knew this guy whose wife was manic, I saw her at the mall one day, she was talking really fast, slobbering at the mouth, whenever she got manic like that, she spent a lot of time on her back.  LOL....


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14070063 - 03/05/11 09:20 AM (13 years, 7 hours ago)

i actually HAVE ADHD!  i was diagnosed in the first grade!  its not actually a disorder..  for me i couldnt imagine life without it..  i think differently than people without it for sure.  for example: if i do homework i may start to think about the things in it which may lead to thoughts of unrelated nature..  i will find myself completely off track in the thought process.. 

its hard for me to concentrate for long periods of time just for the sake of learning something..  my mind would rather think about things it wants to think about..  however if im thinking about something i like or care to think about my concentration is unmatched..  im glad my brain works like this because its made me alot more creative and free thinking. 

i feel my thoughts are in such depth sometimes..  i think that kids should never be diagnosed with the disorder however and be forced to cope with it because they will become alot more inginuitive and creative than a "normal" person. however, if they are taught they have a disability its a crutch for them to lean on and they never learn to use thier overthinking mind to thier advantage.  people with adhd tend to be much more adept and intelegent than people without it..  this is because we think alot about everything.. 

when i was young i wanted to know exactly how everything worked..  and why things dont work..  my parents would go crazy..  i took apart the vacuum cleaner and my mom freaked!  i was like 10..  i was like its ok i can fix it!!  and i did!!  at age 14 i completely rebuilt a kx125 from the ground up BY MYSELF.. thats because i would spend hours thinking about how it worked and when i finally got all the parts i could not wait for help to get the thing running..

i took adderall and ritalin all thru grade school..  all i could think about in class was how i wanted to go home and ride dirtbikes..  it was actually overwhelming me and i could not concentrate on class..  i had friends who liked it as much as me..  they werent having these problems.. 

im a bit socially awkward as well..  im deffinately a know it all..  and its because i really do know alot of bullshit that the majority of normal people wouldnt even think about..  people are sometimes scared to talk around me because i wont hesitate to correct somebody and it happens ALOT..  i cant help myself sometimes..  i was trying to find the video of the kids sitting at the table with the chocolate...  anyone seen that?  i couldnt find it..  im gonna look more..  i like to call it attention deficit high definition...  its because i think about my own thang all day in HD but its hard for me to just channel my thought in one direction for standard education sake..


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14070077 - 03/05/11 09:29 AM (13 years, 7 hours ago)

Mania is already like being high on amphetamines...I always tell people that if they are curious to see what bipolar feels like they should spend a week straight on amphetamines and then abruptly stop...nobody has taken me up on my offer till now...:lol:, but sure as fuck everybody has an opinion on the subject...might be time to dose people up...:hehehe: (of course not)

Hey, wow, I'm sure your story is interesting, but you've got to know one thing: paragraphs are the mortal enemy of tl;dr.


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: 13.step]
    #14070081 - 03/05/11 09:31 AM (13 years, 7 hours ago)

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Everybody and their cousin seems to have an opinion on mental disorders just because they spent 5 minutes reading wiki and saw it in a movie...sadly that's not how it works...you need about 10 years of solid studying and looking at a variety of patients to understand and be able to diagnose these things...




And yet in my mid teens when dealing with severe depression, what was the expert advice from the highly experienced specialist?

Take SSRI's

only problem is

SSRI's totally make you

Wanna kill yourself.

Wrong answer asshole.

Guess all those years he spent in school didn't amount to much. I wonder how many lives that hack ruined with his "expert advice".
This is what is wrong with the idea that "this person studied a subject for years and I didn't so his recommendations/opinions must be correct".


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Heffy]
    #14070119 - 03/05/11 09:50 AM (13 years, 6 hours ago)

You know what is wrong with the world? Stupidity, that's what's wrong. Do you want to know how you can recognize it in order to better avoid it so as to improve your life experience? Well someone would fit the bill if they'd consider a laweyers page and a badly made amateur webpage credible sources and on top of that would smugly post a scientific study that refutes their own premise.Also stupid generalizations based on limited experience can point towards this dubious mental capacity.

But it's ok, everybody has their right to an opinion and anyone can yell whatever they want...I am actually glad when I see people like this 'cause I know my survival chances realative to the rest of humanity have gone up...

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: 13.step]
    #14070216 - 03/05/11 10:19 AM (13 years, 6 hours ago)

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you need about 10 years of solid studying and looking at a variety of patients to understand and be able to diagnose these things...





And yet these people routinely prescribe drugs that cause problems for their patients, regardless of their experience and expertise.

Can you deny this?

Are you saying SSRI's do not cause suicide related problems with depressed patients?


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Heffy]
    #14070339 - 03/05/11 10:51 AM (13 years, 5 hours ago)

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And yet these people routinely prescribe drugs that cause problems for their patients, regardless because of their experience and expertise.

Can you deny this?




Fixed and no I can't, but if you want medicine without side effects then plain water is as close as it gets, beware it can cause hyper-urination though. I personally rather get a migraine here and there and some sleepiness than pull a Charlie Sheen...You really can't get it into your head that medicine is the lesser of two evils?

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Are you saying SSRI's do not cause suicide related problems with depressed patients?





No, I'm not saying that, your study says it and i support it.(Well not fully, I've gotten suicidal on SSRI's before, but they're kinda contra-indicated for bipolars...:hehehe:)

Let me get this straight, do you believe you are smarter and know better then a trained professional?


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: 13.step]
    #14070488 - 03/05/11 11:29 AM (13 years, 5 hours ago)

i by no means think they should treat adhd with medicine..  maybe they should change the education process in teaching adhd kids..  we truly learn differently..  we practically teach ourselves if we are interested enough.  we need more teachers that have adhd and know how to teach us.  if i had a reason to learn something because I thought it was important i could learn it easily and spend the time to figure it out for myself.  like growing shrooms for example..  its not hard to learn because its cool..  long division with decimals however..  youd never get me to stand still in a class like that..  trig homework.. pshhh fuck that..  BUT if it was involved in a process in something that i was interested in and i needed to learn it in order to complete the process id be all over it!  it has to do with interest level purely..  its not that i cant pay attention to things people are trying to teach me its that id rather not divert my mind to that from what im already thinking about..


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: wow]
    #14070831 - 03/05/11 12:57 PM (13 years, 3 hours ago)

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Let me get this straight, do you believe you are smarter and know better then a trained professional?




I think my judgment on my own personal intake of substances is often better than that of  "trained professionals".

I've had "trained professionals" try and put me on drugs just for the hell of it, or because they were lazy, or because they knew they would make money off it.

At the restaurant I used to work at, one time they had a party held by the company which owns Concerta.
All the food and drinks were paid for by the company and all the guests were doctors. Throughout the evening they kept plugging Concerta and hammering home that "Concerta isn't just for kids anymore! Prescribe it for your adult patients too!" Things like this have caused me to suspect the motivations of people who recommend RX drugs to me.

Many of the "experts" in this field have a noticeably poor knowledge of drugs and their reactions. One of the jokers my parents sent me to in my teens was immediately into the "marijuana is 10 times stronger than it used to be! Don't smoke marijuana marijuana it is bad mmmkay!" rhetoric. Then in the same visit he tried to push me on SSRI's because naturally everyone who is depressed should take SSRI's, even though they haven't really done proper tests to determine long term side effects.

Then years later what happens? It turns out SSRI's actually make already depressed patients want to kill themselves?

Personally I am glad I disregarded that asshole's "expert advice". I think in that situation I clearly made the right choice, even though I did the exact opposite of what the "trained professional" recommended.


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Heffy]
    #14071008 - 03/05/11 01:37 PM (13 years, 3 hours ago)

I luv my adderallllllll (((((:


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