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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14071595 - 03/05/11 04:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea, I mean Qaddafi and Mubarak both banned demonstrations, this isn't an indicator.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: ScavengerType]
#14071786 - 03/05/11 04:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am seriously just trying to push it out of my mind.
And hopefully that on the 11th and 20th, the protests are just a small number of people.
What worries me most is the damn unemployment of people 15-24. Although i do imagine that 50% of that enemployment number spans from the 15-18 age group, still thats a big number. 60% of saudi arabias population is under the age of 30.

Oh well, I am having a birthday party today, so hopefully i can keep my mind level.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14072235 - 03/05/11 06:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Worrying about world conditions won't help anything.
Don't worry, be happy?
or as Mr. Natural sez: "Twas ever thus"
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: Icelander]
#14073323 - 03/05/11 10:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like death at this point.
Life never begets ones happiness in these times.
In retrospect, the world isn't the type of world we all think it is.
Sure, it can help to say not to worry.
But even that is just temporary.
Hopefully death is better than this.
Hopefully.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14073346 - 03/05/11 10:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah all temporary. I'm sure some yahoos were having similar conversations back in Egypt.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: Icelander]
#14073811 - 03/06/11 12:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Yeah all temporary. I'm sure some yahoos were having similar conversations back in Egypt.
What does that mean?
I understood that a potential conflict in saudi arabia would only be temporary?
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14074706 - 03/06/11 08:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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What does that mean?
It means this.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: Icelander]
#14077134 - 03/06/11 06:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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ya know Icelander sometimes your nihilistic urge to not contribute anything to conversation is irritating.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: ScavengerType]
#14077177 - 03/06/11 06:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I contribute a lot but it goes beyond your understanding at this point in your young life.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: Icelander]
#14078207 - 03/06/11 09:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: What does that mean?
It means this.
Just passing time is peaceful. If these protests become serious a potential war between iran and saudi arabia may ensue or a civil war may ensue. This will throw the global economy into another recession and there goes any chance I can fullfill my dreams and live a half decent life.
I live in a city and there will be an increase likelihood of violent crim and a decrease in the over all availability of food/energy.
I can't help but worry. You've already lived a lot of your life, you've seen many things. I on the other hand are young and eager, I haven't even been given a chance.
And although most in this world wouldn't even complain given my circumstance, being brought up in the west has given me a high taste of things that rely heavily on the economy.
I can't help but worry to be honest, I can hardly find work as it is. Another recession would surely crush many of my dreams in an instant.
Can you still say, oh hey...shucks, lets not worry.
Just passin time'. ????
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14078422 - 03/06/11 10:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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This will throw the global economy into another recession and there goes any chance I can fullfill my dreams and live a half decent life.
That's right, but before that can happen you might find out you have terminal cancer or die in a car accident.
And you're right, I worry a lot less than when I was younger and thought that I was going to make something of my life. Now I know that's not going to solve anything. I'm just passing thru.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: Icelander]
#14078589 - 03/06/11 10:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I could, but the chances of me getting killed by those things are way less likely than middle east conflicts.
I just don't think it helps much to say 'Twas ever thus'.
Thats all.
I think you have life pretty damn good. Your not working, you intellectualize all day, your have developed a nice outlook on life - you've also satisfied your curiosity in whatever 50 + years you've been around in a peaceful western world.
But now it is a different world, there is turmoil and yet I have the same curiosity to fullfill.
Its really hard.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14079754 - 03/07/11 06:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: I could, but the chances of me getting killed by those things are way less likely than middle east conflicts.
I just don't think it helps much to say 'Twas ever thus'.
Thats all.
I think you have life pretty damn good. Your not working, you intellectualize all day, your have developed a nice outlook on life - you've also satisfied your curiosity in whatever 50 + years you've been around in a peaceful western world.
But now it is a different world, there is turmoil and yet I have the same curiosity to fullfill.
Its really hard.
I think your chances of dying of cancer or accident are tremendously higher than dying because of turmoil in the Middle East. Don't you realize the world has always been fucked up like this.
I grew up in a very abusive home and got the shit kicked out of me most of my young life. My life is not much better or worse than yours son. The fact that I have made anything decent out of it is partly due to luck.
Saying "Twas ever thus" is the best thing you could possible ever learn about life because it's absolutely the truth and if you can ever grok it even just a little your life will most likely improve dramatically.
The Buddha said that attachment is suffering. Worry is attachment and it's obvious it's creating suffering for you. This is all related to death anxiety which is really what is bugging us. You can't live forever and your lot is not much different than someones at any other time in history. Make the most of your time here and quit worrying about things out of your control. That's advice from someone who spent most of their life worrying.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: Icelander]
#14080477 - 03/07/11 11:31 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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AlphaFalfa said: I could, but the chances of me getting killed by those things are way less likely than middle east conflicts.
I just don't think it helps much to say 'Twas ever thus'.
Thats all.
I think you have life pretty damn good. Your not working, you intellectualize all day, your have developed a nice outlook on life - you've also satisfied your curiosity in whatever 50 + years you've been around in a peaceful western world.
But now it is a different world, there is turmoil and yet I have the same curiosity to fullfill.
Its really hard.
I think your chances of dying of cancer or accident are tremendously higher than dying because of turmoil in the Middle East. Don't you realize the world has always been fucked up like this.
I grew up in a very abusive home and got the shit kicked out of me most of my young life. My life is not much better or worse than yours son. The fact that I have made anything decent out of it is partly due to luck.
Saying "Twas ever thus" is the best thing you could possible ever learn about life because it's absolutely the truth and if you can ever grok it even just a little your life will most likely improve dramatically.
The Buddha said that attachment is suffering. Worry is attachment and it's obvious it's creating suffering for you. This is all related to death anxiety which is really what is bugging us. You can't live forever and your lot is not much different than someones at any other time in history. Make the most of your time here and quit worrying about things out of your control. That's advice from someone who spent most of their life worrying.
I agree, but in relation to the bold, there are indeed worst fates than death.
In relation to the second thing bolded, well my life was probably harder than your when I was growing up.
In relation to the italic, I do 'grok' it. It just doesn't stop anxiety I get from potentially having a serious reduction in the standard of living.
In relation to the bold/italic, the bhudda says that because he is a well fed, chubby, dude who spent most his life in a beautiful landscape with people who respect him and think he is a god. He's never worked a day in his bloddy life. Ever wonder why he can't help people who live a normal 9-5 life?
The bhudda doesn't know shit about how to deal with the things we do.
I want to see the bhudda tell a mother of four with no job and an abusive dad that 'attachment is the source of suffering'
I want to see the bhudda tell a little african kid that the fucking cause of his suffering is 'attachment'
No icelander, what I think might benefit you is just recognizing that not everyone has your life and that you haven't really thought about how these potential problems in the middle east might impact your life.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14080542 - 03/07/11 11:48 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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So tell me how hard your life has been. What's made your life so hard?
IMO I've thought about everything more and longer than you have. I understand your fear. You seem to have tons of it. Most people do.
My life is pretty average and I've given up a lot to retire early. And if it changes then it changes and I'll make due because I'm a survivor in this world and if I'm wrong then I'll die sooner than later. I'll take my chances without whining. If I lose my car and my house and my limited finances because the world economy tanks well that's just what happens in my life. Many have had it worse.
As to the Buddha he was born into wealth and gave it all up and wasn't chubby as far as I know. Pretty unusual I'd say. The Buddha did tell all those people that attachment is the cause of suffering. Whining about it won't alter the truth of that. Attachment does cause suffering and your posts are a great example of that imo. You're all freaked out about something that likely won't even happen at least not right now or even in your lifetime.
You can't change much of what's going to happen in this age of human history. Just do your best. If you're creative and smart and determined you'll do better than most and if you aren't then you'll struggle or fail no matter what. That's how it works dude. The ball is really in your court.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14080915 - 03/07/11 12:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's another way to look at it Alphafalfa, can you do anything to change the situation in Saudi Arabia? Even if people in the US or the world massively wanted democracy for SA it would not shift the US's position on it. It might not be worth worrying about, even if you have strong opinions or feelings as to a desired outcome.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: Icelander]
#14081955 - 03/07/11 03:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: So tell me how hard your life has been. What's made your life so hard?
IMO I've thought about everything more and longer than you have. I understand your fear. You seem to have tons of it. Most people do.
My life is pretty average and I've given up a lot to retire early. And if it changes then it changes and I'll make due because I'm a survivor in this world and if I'm wrong then I'll die sooner than later. I'll take my chances without whining. If I lose my car and my house and my limited finances because the world economy tanks well that's just what happens in my life. Many have had it worse.
As to the Buddha he was born into wealth and gave it all up and wasn't chubby as far as I know. Pretty unusual I'd say. The Buddha did tell all those people that attachment is the cause of suffering. Whining about it won't alter the truth of that. Attachment does cause suffering and your posts are a great example of that imo. You're all freaked out about something that likely won't even happen at least not right now or even in your lifetime.
You can't change much of what's going to happen in this age of human history. Just do your best. If you're creative and smart and determined you'll do better than most and if you aren't then you'll struggle or fail no matter what. That's how it works dude. The ball is really in your court.
Look, i was never whining about anything.
i was merly saying that the potential exists and is becoming likely that an even will come where we are all being altered in our dealings with this conflict in the middle east.
You say don't worry and i say its not possible.
if your not worrying its because you probally don't see the gravity of this situation.
And you have made that clear to me by saying that it probably wont happen.
The thing is your experience doesn't and can't relate to the events taking place.
The time you grew up in was a dramatically different time than now.
But enough about this.
We misunderstand each other far to much.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14082055 - 03/07/11 04:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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As Bernanke said, a short term spike in oil prices is water off a ducks back. A long term dramatic increase is different. But we have domestic resources to counter any foreign turmoil. We just have to be willing to use it.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14082103 - 03/07/11 04:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can learn a lot from history but you haven't.
"Most humans don't learn from history and believe it began and will end with their lifetime." - Icelander
This is only a special time in history because it's the time you are personally aware and concerned about it. That doesn't mean similar things haven't happened before and we survived them just fine.
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Re: Oil is going up in a few days. Saudi Protest. [Re: Icelander]
#14082228 - 03/07/11 04:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: "Most humans don't learn from history and believe it began and will end with their lifetime." - Icelander
I think that's false, some people are like this and some people have one of those two characteristics but I find it highly unlikely that most people have both.
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