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OfflineStaleShrooms
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: electricfeel]
    #14067206 - 03/04/11 04:35 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

I was diagnosed with ADHD in first grade. they gave me Ritalin and I hated it. But they made me keep taking it. I was tweaked out of my mind for about 10 years of my life.

The doctor who wrote the script should be rotting in jail. My mental problems in my adult life have been so exacerbated by stimulants its ridiculous. Seriously, who the FUCK thought it would be a good idea to force feed a first grader amphetamines (i know Ritalin isn't technically an amphetamine but you know what i mean)

However, my attention level still sucks. And yes, if I worked hard enough at it I probably could overcome it but honestly...training yourself to be more concentrated is really REALLY tough. Or maybe thats the ADHD. Theres the dilemma. I think I probably could be on par with a normal person in terms of paying attention but the difficulty in doing that is on par with quitting smoking cold turkey. (and I've tried to do that numerous times.)

So I still take dextroamphetamine to study sometimes. But now when I take it, the side effects are so god awful I avoid it at (almost) all costs. I had to drop out of school once because of it (depression-anxiety issues that led to a suicide attempt). They told me I'd be on SSRIs the rest of my life. Well, fast forward a year and my mood miraculously improved. I mean, it took hard work and a lot of emotional learning (and mushrooms :P) but I'm not on the SSRIs anymore. and my mood is pretty stable. I just have to stay away from those pills, man. Those fuckin pills...I'm convinced that amphetamines are the most damaging drugs on earth. I only take em about 4 times a month now (when I absolutely have to, like studying for tests etc)


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: electricfeel]
    #14067233 - 03/04/11 04:42 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

ADD is what happens parents let the TV raise their children and they continue to hop from one form of mindless, irrelevant, instant gratification to the next. So they take their children to the doctor because they too are inattentive, lazy slugs and want a miracle cure. Instead of actually making attempt to parent their children they put them on amphetamines.

It doesn't exist. I'm sure there exists people with legitimate psychological problems similar to ADD, but the disorder is so horribly over/misdiagnosed in our society that we may as well consider any legitimate disorder to be something else entirely.


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: blazenn]
    #14067276 - 03/04/11 04:54 PM (13 years, 23 hours ago)

The reasons many people seem to have short attention spans are numerous. they include:
  • Young children are simply not naturally equipped for a lifestyle that involves sitting for hours continuously.

  • Many of the things we are required to learn at schools are exceptionally difficult for children (and people in general) to devote attention to for extended periods of time, because they seem so intangible.

    I will use my own case as an example: from ages 1-4, I attended Montessori Learning Academy, where an experimental (but increasingly common) teaching method is used that emphasizes critical thinking rather than memorization. The objective was essentially to teach kids how to teach themselves. The result of this is that what when I went to elementary school at age 5, I could already do arithmetic as well as read and write English at about a 3rd grade level (by American standards). I was horribly bored in school, and I never developed a work ethic, because the material was so simple. Using my presumably superior critical thinking abilities, I quickly mastered the art of doing well on multiple choice tests by employing crude versions of inductive reasoning and process of elimination. As a result, I did extremely well in school (up until high school, when I discovered the existence of a thing called studying, which I went to enormous lengths, including cheating, to avoid having to do).

    I believe all people are capable of being their own teachers to some degree. Many kids simply get bored of living in the world of abstract ideas- numbers that aren't representative of anything substantial, and seemingly irrelevant people and events that happened in this thing called "the past", and 2-dimensional representations [diagrams] of incomprehensibly large or small things like atoms and solar systems, and how to write "the correct way" (which, we are inexplicitly taught, is  different from but decidedly superior to the "the way that most effectively communicates a message").

    Many kids find it hard to concentrate on all of these seemingly illusory and arbitrary goals. Consider the thought process:

    "So... I have a choice... I can either sit indoors under fuzzy fluorescent lighting and memorize a bunch of stuff I don't care about, so I can sit in a chair some other day in "the future" and successfully fill in the bubbles that someone else has mandated me to fill in, so I can get a good grade on my progress report, so I can advance to the following grade level, where I will continue to memorize stuff I don't care about so that I can continue to sit around and fill in more bubbles, so that I can get more good grades, so that I can advance to the next level, etc., so I can obtain a piece paper which represents authoritative certification of my ability to successfully memorize things I don't care about and then sit around and fill the correct bubbles, so that I can gain admission to thing called college, so I can spend money I probably don't have so I can get a piece of paper which represents authoritative certification of my ability to perform some function that is presumably too difficult for anyone lacking in certification to perform, so I can acquire a secure career, so that I can obtain more pieces of paper called "money" in quantities that are high relative to the quantities obtained by others, so that I can exchange them for resources that I presumably believe to be the "necessities of life" (for example: a structure which isolates [protects?] me from fellow humans and animals and inconvenient aspects of nature; food which likely consists of synthesized chemical substitutes and the artificially-preserved carcasses of animals whose entire existence was almost certainly predominated by unnatural levels of suffering; devices which allow me to keep track of a mysterious but decidedly necessary human invention called "time" in order that I might successfully synchronize my stressfully complex set of behavioral obligations with those around me; drugs like tylenol and alcohol which ease the suffering that results from the stress brought on by successfully meeting those deadlines; the bill for whatever nursing home I end up wasting the last decade of my life inside the walls of when my ungrateful Westernized children inevitably decide that I'm better off playing BINGO in a medicated stupor than I am in any situation that involves them directly taking care of me; the other bill I end up having to pay when my liver starts to fail as a result of all the alcohol and tylenol I took; a stone to place over my thoughtlessly unaware carcass when it finally does fail; and, if I worked especially hard, I might even have enough money to afford a 2in x 2in spot in the Obituary section of a newspaper, which will, if I am especially lucky, force at least a few people to give my former existence a moment's consideration in between checking today's Dilbert and last night's Football scores), [...I acquire all those 'necessities'...] so that I can be reasonably content living while I continually save money, so that I can eventually retire, so that I can spend my time doing what I want instead of doing what everyone else wants .... or I can just do whatever I want right now and do whatever I want later and if I die because I neglected the 'necessities', it won't matter, because I'll be dead."

    It's not hard to see, in my opinion, why many kids choose to run around and play and shout, like kids are supposed to, instead of doing boring and repetitive tasks.

  • The diet of the average Westernized child contains an unnaturally high Sugar content, which makes sitting attentively all the more difficult.

  • The modern public education system is filled with arbitrary standards of achievement, which are mostly based on a "learning process" developed around augmenting the ability to memorize and regurgitate chunks of information (at least, until the exam is over). This is boring, and could be improved, if we spent 1/2 of the money we spend bombing Iraqi civilians on educating children.



there are more, I am sure....

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: morrowasted]
    #14067369 - 03/04/11 05:16 PM (13 years, 23 hours ago)

This is unfortunately has a simple solution

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #14067374 - 03/04/11 05:17 PM (13 years, 23 hours ago)

Sugar and sex was my excuse for not paying attention in school. I could tune the teacher out for a hour while I thought about playing with the boy next to me.

My brother has actually ADHD and I see when he doesn't take medicine. We can be having a normal conversation and he'll just go off into another world. Last week we were eating dinner together and talking and suddenly he stabbed his food and starting singing to it. True ADHD. Sometimes he squeals or his eyes will go big. I think he needs weed but he can't afford it. I love him. On the way to my aunts last weekend he closed his mouth really tightly and goes HMMMMM! then he screams let's play a game! I gave him my one eye squint and asked him about his medicine for the 2nd time. It's severe enough to be considered a disability, so he's papered up.

The military taught me to pay attention to detail and I've made a 180 degree turn around from my highschool days. I can focus so well paper turns to ash. That could be my love of fire too :shrug: I also love masterbauting :whacker: and the shroomery.

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: morrowasted]
    #14067406 - 03/04/11 05:24 PM (13 years, 23 hours ago)

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morrowasted said:

I will use my own case as an example: from ages 1-4, I attended Montessori Learning Academy, where an experimental (but increasingly common) teaching method is used that emphasizes critical thinking rather than memorization. The objective was essentially to teach kids how to teach themselves. The result of this is that what when I went to elementary school at age 5, I could already do arithmetic as well as read and write English at about a 3rd grade level (by American standards). I was horribly bored in school, and I never developed a work ethic, because the material was so simple. Using my presumably superior critical thinking abilities, I quickly mastered the art of doing well on multiple choice tests by employing crude versions of inductive reasoning and process of elimination. As a result, I did extremely well in school.






This is basically my experience. Not to say I'm incredibly intelligent by any measure, but I found school to be rather easy and consequentially painfully boring. And as you pointed out multiple choice tests (which make of the vast majority of testing) are easily exploited by anyone with a modicum of critical thinking ability. One of the problems with school is that everyone learns the same thing at the same pace. For the bell curve kids this is usually ideal. The kids on either end, end up suffering for it.

Often times the bad kids and the good kids are one in the same. The difference is the bad kids understand the material and tune out and the good kids overachieve (of course some kids are just dumb too). I was one of those kids all the teachers hated. In elementary school I had countless parent-teacher conferences where I was described as "out of control." This continued on through middle school, though as time goes on teachers tend to accept the fact that they can't change behavioral traits and it became more about the fact that I never paid attention, never did my homework, etc. Surprising that no one ever noticed I was just BORED.

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It's not hard to see, in my opinion, why many kids choose to run around and play and shout, like kids are supposed to, instead of doing boring and repetitive tasks.




Good point, I meant to mention this in my first post. People don't realize that kids are SUPPOSED to be hyperactive. They run around, scream, jump, and do generally annoying and ridiculous things. You should be concerned if your kid isn't like this. It's not ADD it's fucking NORMAL.


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: F0SS1L]
    #14067581 - 03/04/11 06:09 PM (13 years, 22 hours ago)

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Good point, I meant to mention this in my first post. People don't realize that kids are SUPPOSED to be hyperactive. They run around, scream, jump, and do generally annoying and ridiculous things. You should be concerned if your kid isn't like this. It's not ADD it's fucking NORMAL.





Sorry mate, but have you ever met someone with clear-cut add? I haven't but I believe it's a bit different that the normal kid-behaviour, it's not a disorder until it impacts life negatively. Saying it doesn't exist? Wow, you're a handful, I hope that you actually know what you are talking about, if not be prepared to meet the force of my manic rage...just saying, I'll give you the benefit of a doubt 'cause I seem to remember you being one of the good poasters...


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: 13.step]
    #14067774 - 03/04/11 06:55 PM (13 years, 21 hours ago)

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13.step said:
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Good point, I meant to mention this in my first post. People don't realize that kids are SUPPOSED to be hyperactive. They run around, scream, jump, and do generally annoying and ridiculous things. You should be concerned if your kid isn't like this. It's not ADD it's fucking NORMAL.





Sorry mate, but have you ever met someone with clear-cut add? I haven't but I believe it's a bit different that the normal kid-behaviour, it's not a disorder until it impacts life negatively. Saying it doesn't exist? Wow, you're a handful, I hope that you actually know what you are talking about, if not be prepared to meet the force of my manic rage...just saying, I'll give you the benefit of a doubt 'cause I seem to remember you being one of the good poasters...




Well in the part you quoted I was referring to misdiagnosis and the general mentality that parents think there is something wrong with their children. Parents go "my kid is hyperactive. He runs and he yells and he doesn't want to do homework or study. Give me a pill to fix him." But that's how kids are supposed to act. Most adults just don't want to deal with it.

As for saying ADD doesn't exist, I'll refer you to what I said earlier:
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I'm sure there exists people with legitimate psychological problems similar to ADD, but the disorder is so horribly over/misdiagnosed in our society that we may as well consider any legitimate disorder to be something else entirely.




My point being that ADD is so misdiagnosed that it has become synonymous with "annoying child." Everyone claims to have ADD. People with legitimate, debilitating, psychological disorders should be classified as something else entirely. But that's just my opinion.


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #14067802 - 03/04/11 07:01 PM (13 years, 21 hours ago)

lots of people have eye problems. Weak eye muscles get strained focused at one point for too long, so they can't keep there attention easily.

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: F0SS1L]
    #14068157 - 03/04/11 08:24 PM (13 years, 20 hours ago)

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F0SS1L said:
ADD is what happens parents let the TV raise their children and they continue to hop from one form of mindless, irrelevant, instant gratification to the next. So they take their children to the doctor because they too are inattentive, lazy slugs and want a miracle cure. Instead of actually making attempt to parent their children they put them on amphetamines.

It doesn't exist. I'm sure there exists people with legitimate psychological problems similar to ADD, but the disorder is so horribly over/misdiagnosed in our society that we may as well consider any legitimate disorder to be something else entirely.



maybe in your fucked up world... i am sick of reading this shit... i have add... i never watched TV until i got older... so enough with the spouting of bullshit. this thread is about how add isn't "supposedly real", well... as soon as someone comes in with a statement it's all ALCOHOL and HOW DID YOU MANAGE YOUR LIFE?

GOD. it's hard to manage shit out in your fuckign head with inatentive add.

you can't PROVE SHIT with these questions. *big shrug* :shrug:

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F0SS1L said:

My point being that ADD is so misdiagnosed that it has become synonymous with "annoying child." Everyone claims to have ADD. People with legitimate, debilitating, psychological disorders should be classified as something else entirely. But that's just my opinion.



who are these kids you are referring to? i mean, to me... this statement is just bullshit. i've never seen vehemently annoying kid with add.
never.

maybe it is misdiagnosed, but i've never seen any instances.

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: F0SS1L]
    #14068167 - 03/04/11 08:26 PM (13 years, 20 hours ago)

EDIT: nevermind the double post, i've got something to add.

i'll just say for the record, that i am glad i got taken off of the ritalin, after requesting to my mom to stop it, as they would take my hunger away and in effect, i'd be giving away my lunches at school and shit... :lol: definitely not good give your kids drugs, if that's all your were saying fossil.

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: SheikCorp]
    #14068226 - 03/04/11 08:45 PM (13 years, 20 hours ago)

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SheikCorp said:
lots of people have eye problems. Weak eye muscles get strained focused at one point for too long, so they can't keep there attention easily.




Eye problems aren't an issue for me. I have perfect vision and I can read just fine. It's just I can't keep my focus up for more than a few minutes at a time.

It sucks when you're listening to someone talk for 2 minutes only to realize that you've been thinking about the new tires you just got for your truck and how great a deal you got for them because your brothers friend works for a tire shop and got them 20% off plus mounting and balancing for free, and you can't remember a god damn word they just said.

(just happened to me about 2 hours ago)


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: morrowasted]
    #14068240 - 03/04/11 08:50 PM (13 years, 19 hours ago)

People keep bring up hyperactive children needing to be medicated to make them sit still in class as their main reason for calling bs on adhd. The fact is, is that the hyperactive subtype is the least diagnosed of the 3 and likely doesn't hold them back anywhere near as much as the other 2 types because many jobs favor hyperactive scatter brains.

This data were reported in Prevalence, Recognition, and Treatment of Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder in a National Sample of US Children, (Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine, September 2007).

    * Total Sample:  3082
    * AD/HD all types:  222
    * Inattentive subtype:  95
    * Combined type:  72
    * Hyperactive-Impulsive type:  55

combined subtype is both hyper and inattentive



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morrowasted said:
The reasons many people seem to have short attention spans are numerous. they include:





Another misconception, the inattentive aspect of adhd is not that of a short attention span or lack of focus but of a lack of control of how much focus you have at your disposal and what the focus is on.

The way i think of it is: adhd is to attention as bipolar disorder is to emotion.
Bipolar people have a tendency to have very exaggerated emotions and they tend to be either really happy or horribly depressed.
ADHD peeps have a tendency to have very exaggerated focus and tend to be either really focused or incredibly distracted and overwhelmed by environmental stimuli.
When i find myself distracted i can't hear myself think, even though the background may not be all that distracting sometimes i just cant separate it from a conversation and end up missing every other word someone is saying.

That is one extreme of focus the other extreme the quacks came up with the term "hyperfocus" basically you get so focused on something everything else gets blocked out and you can't break away from it.  That sounds like "oh so you get so focused on things you tune out your environment? well why don't you just focus on your school work and stop derping around with this 'i can't focus business" Well if i could control what hyper-focus was locked on it would be like finding the fucking holy grail.  But hyper-focus fucks with my ability to pay attention to the things i need to be doing even more than the scatterbrain extreme.  Anything that is not the target of the focus is either tuned out or not picked up which is completely counter preductive if your trying listen to a lecture or do homework.  It is also extremely pervasive, thinking about the same thing for 4hr straight is quite easy to do and pretty common.  I bet i owe my success in my first semester to this extreme as well as my horrible failures in everyone after that, because it simply moved onto more interesting pastures.
Fight the current of a river, get exhausted and drown, or, go with the flow. or take adderall and say fuck the river im going to the ocean and buying a speed boat.

but yeah, the one thing i think everyone here does agree with is high powered stims should not be given to anyone younger than like 16 maybe older. If you show up to your classes in high school they practically hand you your diploma.


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #14068250 - 03/04/11 08:54 PM (13 years, 19 hours ago)

Wait.. I believe I've been "suffering" from ADHD for years now.. It's been a real pain in the fucking ass..  At times I consider it a gift because of the hyperactivity I have.. It's fucking insane, Comparable to a cocain high at times, Even after just waking up..

But all the other slew of side effects can be quite a pain in the fucking ass..  After reading about a new diagnosis known as combined ADHD , Which is all types combined into 1.. I believe I will receive that diagnosis once I goto have it checked out foreal..



I don't wanna go to much into it, Cuz it'd annoy the living shit out of me explaining it after I've explained what I've been feeling to 100 other people.. I'm sick of it.


But what do you mean by this post? 


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SheikCorp said:
lots of people have eye problems. Weak eye muscles get strained focused at one point for too long, so they can't keep there attention easily.





Are you talking about vision or what?


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: badchad]
    #14068275 - 03/04/11 09:00 PM (13 years, 19 hours ago)

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badchad said:
Diagnosing behavioral disorders with the "its all in your head mentality" brings medicine back to the dark ages.




I agree with 13.step that badchad has made a great statement.

Those of you who are arguing with the "its all in your head mentality" may think that giving pills to help kids cope with this fucked up disorder is an easy answer, but the "its all in your head mentality" is actually the easy answer.


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: morrowasted]
    #14068280 - 03/04/11 09:00 PM (13 years, 19 hours ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
The reasons many people seem to have short attention spans are numerous. they include:
  • Young children are simply not naturally equipped for a lifestyle that involves sitting for hours continuously.

  • Many of the things we are required to learn at schools are exceptionally difficult for children (and people in general) to devote attention to for extended periods of time, because they seem so intangible.

    I will use my own case as an example: from ages 1-4, I attended Montessori Learning Academy, where an experimental (but increasingly common) teaching method is used that emphasizes critical thinking rather than memorization. The objective was essentially to teach kids how to teach themselves. The result of this is that what when I went to elementary school at age 5, I could already do arithmetic as well as read and write English at about a 3rd grade level (by American standards). I was horribly bored in school, and I never developed a work ethic, because the material was so simple. Using my presumably superior critical thinking abilities, I quickly mastered the art of doing well on multiple choice tests by employing crude versions of inductive reasoning and process of elimination. As a result, I did extremely well in school (up until high school, when I discovered the existence of a thing called studying, which I went to enormous lengths, including cheating, to avoid having to do).

    I believe all people are capable of being their own teachers to some degree. Many kids simply get bored of living in the world of abstract ideas- numbers that aren't representative of anything substantial, and seemingly irrelevant people and events that happened in this thing called "the past", and 2-dimensional representations [diagrams] of incomprehensibly large or small things like atoms and solar systems, and how to write "the correct way" (which, we are inexplicitly taught, is  different from but decidedly superior to the "the way that most effectively communicates a message").

    Many kids find it hard to concentrate on all of these seemingly illusory and arbitrary goals. Consider the thought process:

    "So... I have a choice... I can either sit indoors under fuzzy fluorescent lighting and memorize a bunch of stuff I don't care about, so I can sit in a chair some other day in "the future" and successfully fill in the bubbles that someone else has mandated me to fill in, so I can get a good grade on my progress report, so I can advance to the following grade level, where I will continue to memorize stuff I don't care about so that I can continue to sit around and fill in more bubbles, so that I can get more good grades, so that I can advance to the next level, etc., so I can obtain a piece paper which represents authoritative certification of my ability to successfully memorize things I don't care about and then sit around and fill the correct bubbles, so that I can gain admission to thing called college, so I can spend money I probably don't have so I can get a piece of paper which represents authoritative certification of my ability to perform some function that is presumably too difficult for anyone lacking in certification to perform, so I can acquire a secure career, so that I can obtain more pieces of paper called "money" in quantities that are high relative to the quantities obtained by others, so that I can exchange them for resources that I presumably believe to be the "necessities of life" (for example: a structure which isolates [protects?] me from fellow humans and animals and inconvenient aspects of nature; food which likely consists of synthesized chemical substitutes and the artificially-preserved carcasses of animals whose entire existence was almost certainly predominated by unnatural levels of suffering; devices which allow me to keep track of a mysterious but decidedly necessary human invention called "time" in order that I might successfully synchronize my stressfully complex set of behavioral obligations with those around me; drugs like tylenol and alcohol which ease the suffering that results from the stress brought on by successfully meeting those deadlines; the bill for whatever nursing home I end up wasting the last decade of my life inside the walls of when my ungrateful Westernized children inevitably decide that I'm better off playing BINGO in a medicated stupor than I am in any situation that involves them directly taking care of me; the other bill I end up having to pay when my liver starts to fail as a result of all the alcohol and tylenol I took; a stone to place over my thoughtlessly unaware carcass when it finally does fail; and, if I worked especially hard, I might even have enough money to afford a 2in x 2in spot in the Obituary section of a newspaper, which will, if I am especially lucky, force at least a few people to give my former existence a moment's consideration in between checking today's Dilbert and last night's Football scores), [...I acquire all those 'necessities'...] so that I can be reasonably content living while I continually save money, so that I can eventually retire, so that I can spend my time doing what I want instead of doing what everyone else wants .... or I can just do whatever I want right now and do whatever I want later and if I die because I neglected the 'necessities', it won't matter, because I'll be dead."

    It's not hard to see, in my opinion, why many kids choose to run around and play and shout, like kids are supposed to, instead of doing boring and repetitive tasks.

  • The diet of the average Westernized child contains an unnaturally high Sugar content, which makes sitting attentively all the more difficult.

  • The modern public education system is filled with arbitrary standards of achievement, which are mostly based on a "learning process" developed around augmenting the ability to memorize and regurgitate chunks of information (at least, until the exam is over). This is boring, and could be improved, if we spent 1/2 of the money we spend bombing Iraqi civilians on educating children.



there are more, I am sure....







Damnnnnn..
A-fucking-men.  :handth:  :bow2:


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: morrowasted]
    #14068379 - 03/04/11 09:23 PM (13 years, 19 hours ago)

Morrowasted, I only skimmed portions of your thread, it's hard reading big blocks of text unless they are broken up. I get lost.

Anyways, I was raised pretty much without TV. Hell, I didn't even have cable until I was 18. I was also raised on a very good diet (I think). I wasn't allowed much soda or candy, mostly fruits, grains, hormone free free range meat from my aunt and uncle that raised cattle and some pigs.

But I still had that problem. I didn't really show symptoms of type II ADHD until I was in my early to mid teens. Still a good diet, exercised constantly (swam over 25-30 miles a week).

Couldn't focus worth a shit.


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: F0SS1L]
    #14068503 - 03/04/11 09:48 PM (13 years, 19 hours ago)

Its both psychological and chemical psychology, Why can no one believe ts both. Its not nature vs nurture, its both. Its quite obvious.

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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Janamil]
    #14068516 - 03/04/11 09:51 PM (13 years, 18 hours ago)

I agree. Just like depression or lots of other mental disorders.

It's strange though. I knew kids in school that were raised by the TV, came from fucked up homes, ate pure processed shit and as much soda as they could drink, yet they fared MUCH better than I did as far as attention and school performance went.


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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #14068528 - 03/04/11 09:54 PM (13 years, 18 hours ago)

i dont know what kind of bullshit you boys got..  they say i got attention deficit high definition :grin:


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