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Hitsuzen
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Bad Trips
#14067711 - 03/04/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hitsuzen
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QUESTION 2: How important are they, compared to recreational trips?
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Rarely, equal, absolutely.
If I had to make an estimate, I'd say that 1% of my trips have turned out bad. I didn't really learn any more or less from them than I did from good trips, though. Tripping is always an interesting experience.
There are people who have good trips their whole life and more power to them, though. It makes me so hard when people act like you have to have your ass kicked by a psychedelic to ever "get" what they're really about. What if you get psychedelics so well they never feel like kicking your ass? Hmm?
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Tchan909 said: Rarely, equal, absolutely.
If I had to make an estimate, I'd say that 1% of my trips have turned out bad. I didn't really learn any more or less from them than I did from good trips, though. Tripping is always an interesting experience.
There are people who have good trips their whole life and more power to them, though. It makes me so hard when people act like you have to have your ass kicked by a psychedelic to ever "get" what they're really about. What if you get psychedelics so well they never feel like kicking your ass? Hmm?
LOL. I wish I was one of those people!
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Tchan909 said: Rarely, equal, absolutely.
It makes me so hard when people act like you have to have your ass kicked by a psychedelic to ever "get" what they're really about. What if you get psychedelics so well they never feel like kicking your ass? Hmm?
Occasionally, equal, absolutely.
That is a great point.
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What is the second question asking? 
Oops, I see you answered that already. I thought it was another user asking if that's what you meant.
Edited by BothHands (03/04/11 07:11 PM)
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Re: Bad Trips [Re: zergroz]
#14069054 - 03/04/11 11:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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1. Dosage 2. Set and setting 3. Plan and prepare 4. Be in a good mental mindset before the trip
Moderate these and it'll help you avoid a bad trip.
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Re: Bad Trips [Re: Hitsuzen] 1
#14069606 - 03/05/11 04:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Voted: 1. Occasionally 2. Slightly 3. A little bit
I've never really liked this whole "you learn more from a bad trip durp durp" philosophy. I think you can learn equally as much or little from any experience in life.
Tripping is something we all do to have a great time, and if we don't have a great time than I consider that to be mission failed. The trip didn't work out, too bad - but I'm not going to pretend like "Oh it's FINE because I learned sooo much".
That's always seemed like a massive cop out to me. On par with saying "sure my father molested me a lot when I was young, BUT IT'S ALL GOOD I LEARNED SO MUCH!!.... ". When something bad happens IT'S BAD, don't dress it up.
Now for the "do you grow from them" question, I voted "a little bit". This is because in every bad trip I've ever had ALL I did was want it to stop. Nothing else. No introspection. No appreciation. Nothing. Just fear, terror and a desire to feel well again. Do I grow from that? of course, I may be a little bit more accepting of future terror BUT in all honestly I really didn't get anything psychedelic worthy from the trip. I think that's a MAJOR contrast to a good trip, in which I feel like I have gained qualities, and appreciations of the universe and my own mind that I didn't have before.
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Re: Bad Trips [Re: Dawks]
#14071263 - 03/05/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dawks said: Voted: 1. Occasionally 2. Slightly 3. A little bit
I've never really liked this whole "you learn more from a bad trip durp durp" philosophy. I think you can learn equally as much or little from any experience in life.
Tripping is something we all do to have a great time, and if we don't have a great time than I consider that to be mission failed. The trip didn't work out, too bad - but I'm not going to pretend like "Oh it's FINE because I learned sooo much".
That's always seemed like a massive cop out to me. On par with saying "sure my father molested me a lot when I was young, BUT IT'S ALL GOOD I LEARNED SO MUCH!!.... ". When something bad happens IT'S BAD, don't dress it up.
Now for the "do you grow from them" question, I voted "a little bit". This is because in every bad trip I've ever had ALL I did was want it to stop. Nothing else. No introspection. No appreciation. Nothing. Just fear, terror and a desire to feel well again. Do I grow from that? of course, I may be a little bit more accepting of future terror BUT in all honestly I really didn't get anything psychedelic worthy from the trip. I think that's a MAJOR contrast to a good trip, in which I feel like I have gained qualities, and appreciations of the universe and my own mind that I didn't have before.
That's a good point!
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Occasionally Unimportant Absolutely

EDIT: woops
didn't know what question 2 wuz talkin' about
i think bad trips are very important to have because u can learn a lot of thangs from em and grow
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i like to from time to time, so that the next time i I x2 with the extra boost from da 
like the rubber band analogy
the further back u r in the darkness just means the further and faster you will shoot towards the light
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I get some negativity every time I trip. Sometimes more than others, of course. They're all great, though!
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Re: Bad Trips [Re: R2-D2]
#14071917 - 03/05/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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rarely, and yes i learn from them.
i wouldn't say it was a bad trip, but i had some difficulty last night with my first mxe experience at one point (thread in trip reports if you want the tldr version). it wasn't a freak out, just my mind pulling some b/s on me. i talked it out with a friend when i was able to talk, moved on and had a good rest of the morning, and pondered it all day today. i think my ego had a little nugget of truth in what it was trying to tell me, but it was drastically overblown due to anxiety from it being my first experience with mxe and taking a pull off some am 2201 (not a smoker).
you just have to know how to compartmentalize when bad feelings or fear comes up on psychedelics. listen to your inner voice but don't let it dominate you, or you'll just end up being miserable. i think one of my biggest growing experiences was from my ayahuasca session when i was brought to a level of fear that i simply have not experienced in my waking life, ever, and i've had to fight for my life before. it stuck with me for months and there are aspects of it that are still...mysterious...to me, but i took it for the lesson that it was, and i kept my lid on when everything was going down at that.
chances are, if you're having bad trips on the reg, you either have some emotional issues or aren't doing right for yourself in life, or both. at least from my experience that's how that kinda goes.
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Re: Bad Trips [Re: millzy]
#14072157 - 03/05/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Out of the 20 or so times I've tripped on mushrooms, I've only had 2 "bad" trips. I really don't call them bad trips though. In fact, I think referring to these incredible mind blowing experience as "bad" would be shameful and disrespectful to the mushrooms. Instead I prefer to call them Hard trips. To me, it's all about how difficult it is to deal with the experience.
If you're having an easy trip, such as tripping with good friends on a warm sunny day and everyone's laughing and smiling and having a good time, there's really not a whole lot you have to deal with.
On the other hand, having a hard trip where you feel like you've died/gone insane and your never coming back and you can't tell anyone what's happening because you've lost the ability to speak, that's a struggle unlike anything I've ever experienced during my normal life.
The last trip I had was by far the HARDEST trip I've ever had. I seriously thought that I had died. No logical explanation for it; one minute I'm sitting on the couch alive, the next minute I'm sitting on the couch dead. I can't go into everything that happened that night but I went DEEP inside myself and felt things I've never felt before. The night bounced back and forth between traumatic, euphoric, traumatic and back to euphoric again. I feel like I learned so much about myself that night - so much more so than on my easy trips. Since then I've been making a lot of positive changes in my life. I'm truly grateful for the experience and I appreciate it so much (my fellow trip buddies have a hard time understanding why I appreciate this trip so much).
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it's just inevitable
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I AM SWIM said:
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DrGonz0 said: BTW I AM SWIM, xxxHolic = da shit.   
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


it's just inevitable
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Re: Bad Trips [Re: Batuque]
#14074765 - 03/06/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Batuque said: Out of the 20 or so times I've tripped on mushrooms, I've only had 2 "bad" trips. I really don't call them bad trips though. In fact, I think referring to these incredible mind blowing experience as "bad" would be shameful and disrespectful to the mushrooms. Instead I prefer to call them Hard trips. To me, it's all about how difficult it is to deal with the experience.
If you're having an easy trip, such as tripping with good friends on a warm sunny day and everyone's laughing and smiling and having a good time, there's really not a whole lot you have to deal with.
On the other hand, having a hard trip where you feel like you've died/gone insane and your never coming back and you can't tell anyone what's happening because you've lost the ability to speak, that's a struggle unlike anything I've ever experienced during my normal life.
I mostly agree with this. The term "bad trip" is not always very helpful. Some elements of a trip that are frightening the first few times you encounter them, come to seem normal features of the experience (e.g feeling that you have died). A level of trip intensity that once seemed unbearable is now seen as a normal part of the trip.
I would restrict the term "bad trip" to psychological difficulties which have expanded beyond the sphere of the trip itself to make you fear deeply (although needlessly) for your physical safety or future mental wellbeing. Feeling as though you are dying/dead, going insane or being pulverized within the trip is one thing, believing (hallucinating) that you are actually having an allergic reaction/heart attack/major organ failure/irreversible mental breakdown is another. For me, a bad trip is when you are experiencing an unbearable level of trip intensity and then you have a panic attack added to it
I don't think there are many positives to be gained from this kind of panic attack experience itself, but coming back safely from this kind of trip strengthens my feeling that, no matter how bad a trip gets, it is just a trip and I will come back OK. I feel much more able to cope with the body load of high doses without worrying that something terrible is actually happening to my body. This in turn makes me less likely to panic during a "hard" trip in future.
Also, although acute feelings of imminent death are not nice and I'm not pretending they are, there is a certain level of terror/horror which is actually quite enjoyable within a trip, providing it is perceived as taking place within the trip. For example, if you think that you are genuinely experiencing something so traumatic that you will spend the rest of your life in a mental hospital, that's not good, but if you are just thinking "oh jesus what have I done, this trip is going to be absolutely ferocious" then it's a terrifying but thrilling sensation, like the best horror movie you ever saw.
The other problem with calling a trip "bad" is that even in the worst trips, there comes a point where I realise that things are going to be OK, or I just accept that I am dead/dying and the panic symptoms relax. If I experience massive, overwhelming euphoria for the next two hours, it's difficult to genuinely class the overall trip as bad, even though at one point it clearly was....
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I AM SWIM said:
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DrGonz0 said: BTW I AM SWIM, xxxHolic = da shit.   
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


it's just inevitable
Where's that art from, btw? It's reeally good
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It's amazing to me how I was able to convince myself of such terrible things and then a few hours later it's like "well that was completely irrational."
One bad trip stands out for me when I of course forgot that I should just maybe watch a movie or flip around through channels or make a small snack or at least even just get up and GET SOME WATER. Was all alone and convinced that people (beings of some sort, lol yeah it was that bad) were like partying in my room in the darkness because they knew I wouldn't do anything about it blah blah and I was afraid to just sit up and turn on the light because THAT would just be crazy.
Ahh, good times.
Anyway, it's easy to give this advice but it's hard to remember that it exists - if you're bad tripping, don't just curl up and wait for it to stop, that is fucking torture.
Get up, get some water, hell take out some playing cards and try to build a little structure.. whatever, ANYTHING - don't just shut down. The trip's not going to stop just because you want it to, so you might as well not be suffering lol. Might even have a good time
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Strumpling said: It's amazing to me how I was able to convince myself of such terrible things and then a few hours later it's like "well that was completely irrational."
One bad trip stands out for me when I of course forgot that I should just maybe watch a movie or flip around through channels or make a small snack or at least even just get up and GET SOME WATER. Was all alone and convinced that people (beings of some sort, lol yeah it was that bad) were like partying in my room in the darkness because they knew I wouldn't do anything about it blah blah and I was afraid to just sit up and turn on the light because THAT would just be crazy.
Ahh, good times.
Anyway, it's easy to give this advice but it's hard to remember that it exists - if you're bad tripping, don't just curl up and wait for it to stop, that is fucking torture.
Get up, get some water, hell take out some playing cards and try to build a little structure.. whatever, ANYTHING - don't just shut down. The trip's not going to stop just because you want it to, so you might as well not be suffering lol. Might even have a good time 
Dem's wise words.
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