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Hitsuzen
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DrGonz0 said: BTW I AM SWIM, xxxHolic = da shit.   
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it's just inevitable
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-------------------- Hate never yet dispelled hate, Only love dispels hate. This is the law, Ancient and inexhaustible. -Buddha
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Aldebaran
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Re: Bad Trips [Re: Batuque]
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Batuque said: Out of the 20 or so times I've tripped on mushrooms, I've only had 2 "bad" trips. I really don't call them bad trips though. In fact, I think referring to these incredible mind blowing experience as "bad" would be shameful and disrespectful to the mushrooms. Instead I prefer to call them Hard trips. To me, it's all about how difficult it is to deal with the experience.
If you're having an easy trip, such as tripping with good friends on a warm sunny day and everyone's laughing and smiling and having a good time, there's really not a whole lot you have to deal with.
On the other hand, having a hard trip where you feel like you've died/gone insane and your never coming back and you can't tell anyone what's happening because you've lost the ability to speak, that's a struggle unlike anything I've ever experienced during my normal life.
I mostly agree with this. The term "bad trip" is not always very helpful. Some elements of a trip that are frightening the first few times you encounter them, come to seem normal features of the experience (e.g feeling that you have died). A level of trip intensity that once seemed unbearable is now seen as a normal part of the trip.
I would restrict the term "bad trip" to psychological difficulties which have expanded beyond the sphere of the trip itself to make you fear deeply (although needlessly) for your physical safety or future mental wellbeing. Feeling as though you are dying/dead, going insane or being pulverized within the trip is one thing, believing (hallucinating) that you are actually having an allergic reaction/heart attack/major organ failure/irreversible mental breakdown is another. For me, a bad trip is when you are experiencing an unbearable level of trip intensity and then you have a panic attack added to it
I don't think there are many positives to be gained from this kind of panic attack experience itself, but coming back safely from this kind of trip strengthens my feeling that, no matter how bad a trip gets, it is just a trip and I will come back OK. I feel much more able to cope with the body load of high doses without worrying that something terrible is actually happening to my body. This in turn makes me less likely to panic during a "hard" trip in future.
Also, although acute feelings of imminent death are not nice and I'm not pretending they are, there is a certain level of terror/horror which is actually quite enjoyable within a trip, providing it is perceived as taking place within the trip. For example, if you think that you are genuinely experiencing something so traumatic that you will spend the rest of your life in a mental hospital, that's not good, but if you are just thinking "oh jesus what have I done, this trip is going to be absolutely ferocious" then it's a terrifying but thrilling sensation, like the best horror movie you ever saw.
The other problem with calling a trip "bad" is that even in the worst trips, there comes a point where I realise that things are going to be OK, or I just accept that I am dead/dying and the panic symptoms relax. If I experience massive, overwhelming euphoria for the next two hours, it's difficult to genuinely class the overall trip as bad, even though at one point it clearly was....
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Hitsuzen
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DrGonz0 said: BTW I AM SWIM, xxxHolic = da shit.   
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


it's just inevitable
Where's that art from, btw? It's reeally good
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Strumpling
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It's amazing to me how I was able to convince myself of such terrible things and then a few hours later it's like "well that was completely irrational."
One bad trip stands out for me when I of course forgot that I should just maybe watch a movie or flip around through channels or make a small snack or at least even just get up and GET SOME WATER. Was all alone and convinced that people (beings of some sort, lol yeah it was that bad) were like partying in my room in the darkness because they knew I wouldn't do anything about it blah blah and I was afraid to just sit up and turn on the light because THAT would just be crazy.
Ahh, good times.
Anyway, it's easy to give this advice but it's hard to remember that it exists - if you're bad tripping, don't just curl up and wait for it to stop, that is fucking torture.
Get up, get some water, hell take out some playing cards and try to build a little structure.. whatever, ANYTHING - don't just shut down. The trip's not going to stop just because you want it to, so you might as well not be suffering lol. Might even have a good time
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Hitsuzen
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Strumpling said: It's amazing to me how I was able to convince myself of such terrible things and then a few hours later it's like "well that was completely irrational."
One bad trip stands out for me when I of course forgot that I should just maybe watch a movie or flip around through channels or make a small snack or at least even just get up and GET SOME WATER. Was all alone and convinced that people (beings of some sort, lol yeah it was that bad) were like partying in my room in the darkness because they knew I wouldn't do anything about it blah blah and I was afraid to just sit up and turn on the light because THAT would just be crazy.
Ahh, good times.
Anyway, it's easy to give this advice but it's hard to remember that it exists - if you're bad tripping, don't just curl up and wait for it to stop, that is fucking torture.
Get up, get some water, hell take out some playing cards and try to build a little structure.. whatever, ANYTHING - don't just shut down. The trip's not going to stop just because you want it to, so you might as well not be suffering lol. Might even have a good time 
Dem's wise words.
-------------------- Hate never yet dispelled hate, Only love dispels hate. This is the law, Ancient and inexhaustible. -Buddha
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