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[CAN] Move to ban hallucinogenic herb questioned
    #14064905 - 03/04/11 07:06 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Move to ban hallucinogenic herb questioned
March 3, 2011 - cbc.ca

An addictions expert in Alberta says the federal government needs to do more homework before it bans salvia, a potent hallucinogenic herb that's currently classified as a natural health product.

Smoking salvia —also known as magic mint and diviner's sage — can produce a short but intense high similar to the effects of LSD.

Health Canada announced last month that it wants to add salvia — and its active ingredient, salvinorin A — to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.

The change would make it illegal to produce, possess, traffic, import or export the substances.

But a psychiatry professor at the University of Alberta says the government needs to gather more evidence first.

"At this stage it is highly under-researched and it's basically a guess shot at this point as to what the consequences are," said Dr. Sharl Els.

"Frankly, we don't even really know how many people in Canada are using salvia and let alone, how many people are presenting to emergency rooms or how many people are having side effects because of salvia."

American medical journals have reported on salvia-related health problems, Health Canada officials said.

And the Canadian Alcohol and Drug Use Monitoring Survey in 2009 found 7.3 per cent of youths aged 15-24 reported having used salvia at least once.

But Els said there's still not enough Canadian data to justify banning the substances.

"Certainly we need evidence to suggest, or evidence to demonstrate that there is indeed a tangible risk to the health of Canadians before we shape policy."
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Because salvia is currently classified as a natural health product, it must be authorized by Health Canada before it can be sold.

No such authorizations have been granted, but the agency appears to have done little to enforce its regulations. Salvia is widely available at head shops across the country and through the internet, touted as an alternative to illicit drugs.

Health Canada filed its notice of intent to ban the herb in the Canada Gazette on Feb. 4. Stakeholders were given 30 days to comment on the proposal.

Other countries, including Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Italy, Spain and Sweden, have already controlled or banned salvia. It's also illegal in about a dozen U.S. states.

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Re: [CAN] Move to ban hallucinogenic herb questioned [Re: veggie]
    #14064983 - 03/04/11 07:44 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Why do they say everything is similar to lsd. Such BS more like a short acting Pcp.  They need people that have tripped b4 to compare drugs to. Thats like saying Caffiene needs to be banned because it is similar to Coke, and meth.


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Re: [CAN] Move to ban hallucinogenic herb questioned [Re: idunno]
    #14065998 - 03/04/11 12:08 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

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idunno said:
Why do they say everything is similar to lsd. Such BS more like a short acting Pcp.  They need people that have tripped b4 to compare drugs to. Thats like saying Caffiene needs to be banned because it is similar to Coke, and meth.




...or like saying Ritalin should be banned... because it actually IS similar to coke and meth.

Chlorine should be banned, too. That shit can FUCK YOU UP from what I hear.


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Re: [CAN] Move to ban hallucinogenic herb questioned [Re: Remix]
    #14066061 - 03/04/11 12:24 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

:awesurprise:

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Re: [CAN] Move to ban hallucinogenic herb questioned [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14066418 - 03/04/11 01:49 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

There is a 30 day hearing period in which the Canadian Health Ministry (or whatever it's called) is taking public comment. Ends mid to later March I believe.  I might try to find the link later.  I got to it from Erowids salvia page.  I sent them an email about why salvia should not be all out banned, just to minors.  Though it is highly likely all that input goes into the round file (trash can).

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Re: [CAN] Move to ban hallucinogenic herb questioned [Re: demon66]
    #14066747 - 03/04/11 02:48 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

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veggie said:
Health Canada filed its notice of intent to ban the herb in the Canada Gazette on Feb. 4. Stakeholders were given 30 days to comment on the proposal.





Canadians:  Comment, please! 

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demon66 said:
There is a 30 day hearing period in which the Canadian Health Ministry (or whatever it's called) is taking public comment. Ends mid to later March I believe.  I might try to find the link later.  I got to it from Erowids salvia page.  I sent them an email about why salvia should not be all out banned, just to minors.  Though it is highly likely all that input goes into the round file (trash can).




I don't think it goes into the trash can.  I think they save it and read it.

The DEA definitely saves and reads all comments.

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Re: [CAN] Move to ban hallucinogenic herb questioned [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14066850 - 03/04/11 03:13 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

theyre gennerally just thinking about dick over there

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Re: [CAN] Move to ban hallucinogenic herb questioned [Re: Konyap]
    #14066895 - 03/04/11 03:22 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

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Certainly we need evidence to suggest, or evidence to demonstrate that there is indeed a tangible risk to the health of Canadians before we shape policy.



Logic!

I'll be sending Health Canada my two cents.


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Re: [CAN] Move to ban hallucinogenic herb questioned [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #14067232 - 03/04/11 04:42 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

See below for contact info;

If you are interested in this process or have comments on this proposal, please contact Stephanie Chandler, Regulatory Policy Division, Office of Controlled Substances, Address Locator: 3503D, 123 Slater Street, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1A 1B9, by fax at 613-946-4224 or by email at;

                                OCS.Policy.and.Regulatory.Affairs@hc-sc.gc.ca.


Media Enquiries:
Health Canada
(613) 957-2983

Jenny Van Alstyne
Office of the Honourable Leona Aglukkaq
Federal Minister of Health
(613) 957-0200

Public Enquiries:
(613) 957-2991
1-866 225-0709


Here is the erowid canada & salvia law link.  From here there are also links to Canadian government info on the salvia situation;

http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_law.shtml#canada

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Re: [CAN] Move to ban hallucinogenic herb questioned [Re: Remix]
    #14070516 - 03/05/11 11:35 AM (13 years, 20 hours ago)

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Remix said:
Quote:

idunno said:
Why do they say everything is similar to lsd. Such BS more like a short acting Pcp.  They need people that have tripped b4 to compare drugs to. Thats like saying Caffiene needs to be banned because it is similar to Coke, and meth.




...or like saying Ritalin should be banned... because it actually IS similar to coke and meth.

Chlorine should be banned, too. That shit can FUCK YOU UP from what I hear.



Ritalin made me a normal human being, I snorted it a few times and it really is like those drugs. Can be addicting, but not bad at all to get back off of.
On the main topic:
Stop banning plants and extracts, and some synthetics are good too. Salvia is wonderful. Can't wait to get me a clipping :dancing:


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