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Hillary Clinton recently said what we've all known about american mainstream media for a while. It's not news.
Hillary Clinton Starting To See The Cracks With Mainstream Media (not familliar with this blog)
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HC:And like it or hate it, it [Al Jazeera] is really effective. And in fact viewership of Al Jazeera is going up in the United States because it's real news. You may not agree with it, but you feel like you're getting real news around the clock instead of a million commercials and, you know, arguments between talking heads and the kind of stuff that we do on our news which, you know, is not particularly informative to us, let alone foreigners.
If you listen to the video you'll hear she is basically not just saying that the US is loosing out on world media share because of a lack of news it's saying that it needs to engage in a propaganda war with these new emerging foreign media outlets. I think this attitude is ridiculous, and I'd like to hear others opinions. The main reason Aljazeera and BBC have been making gains on US and international viewership is because they make efforts not to bring propaganda to post. All this in a midst of a recent scandal that the US mainstream media was withholding information from the public to protect the government's interests. I believe it was with regard to the spy/diplomat incident but cannot recall.
It is ridiculous, the reason people don't like US MSM is because they print propaganda. I remember the first time I heard of Al Jazeera was when it was being denounced by the hardcore propagandist Bush regime after the beginning of the Iraq war. After this point Al Jazeera english reports started to appear frequently in english torrent sites and news sites that republish stories. The popularity of these foreign media is directly related to the propaganda spewed by American MSM. The propaganda is the problem not the solution.
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Amen to that. A few days ago, I wanted to see what was going on in Libya, and every single news channel was showing Lindsay Lohan or some shit. So I watched the Al-Jazeera web stream, since for some fucking reason this is the only country on earth where you can't watch it.
And you know what? They had actual people on the scene, they didn't break for a Debt Relief ad every 12 seconds, they didn't have condescending subtitles every time a non-native english speaker was on camera, there was no fucking Wolf Blitzer, everything about it was all-around better.
It was as if they actually cared about delivering information.
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You mean the jackass who said her husband was being persecuted by a vast right wing conspiracy? In the press? For shoving cigars in an interns twat?
I ask you one and all. Which of you believes that either al Jazeera or the BBC is anything other than an advocacy organization? I am not the least bit interested in hearing "but but but FoxNews".
Hillary Clinton has been a disgrace to humanity and women in particular for 20+ years.
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jimbotron said: Amen to that. A few days ago, I wanted to see what was going on in Libya, and every single news channel was showing Lindsay Lohan or some shit. So I watched the Al-Jazeera web stream, since for some fucking reason this is the only country on earth where you can't watch it.
If you couldn't find information on this it isn't a failure of media.
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jimbotron said: Amen to that. A few days ago, I wanted to see what was going on in Libya, and every single news channel was showing Lindsay Lohan or some shit. So I watched the Al-Jazeera web stream, since for some fucking reason this is the only country on earth where you can't watch it.
If you couldn't find information on this it isn't a failure of media.
It is actually. The job of the media is to bring information to you. If they dont bring you important media(wars) then they have failed.
Hurr if the waiter doesnt bring you your food thats not a failure of the restaurant durrr.
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Re: American media [Re: Atomsk]
#14068083 - 03/04/11 08:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alex Jones just made sense...
Know ye well the signs of the end times.
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Re: American media [Re: Atomsk]
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I can't believe she can get away with saying that. Wow.
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zappaisgod said:I ask you one and all. Which of you believes that either al Jazeera or the BBC is anything other than an advocacy organization? I am not the least bit interested in hearing "but but but FoxNews".
I ask you directly: have you watched it in, I dunno, the past month?
If not, why should anyone value your opinion? I haven't seen any 'advocacy'. I've seen plenty of straight reporting, most of it done by white people with British accents, for fuck's sake. Nobody was shouting "ALLAH ACKBAR" and waving a scimitar.
What, exactly, do you think they were 'advocating' at a time when Gaddhafi was bombing peaceful demonstrators, and why do you reflexively object to it? Do you have anything meaningful, anything substantive, anything you feel they got WRONG about the recent events in the middle east? Or do you just feel like being contrarian?
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Muslims HATE America. They're OUR ENEMY. How are WE supposed to accept that THEY are FAIR AND BALANCED towards US?
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jimbotron said: Amen to that. A few days ago, I wanted to see what was going on in Libya, and every single news channel was showing Lindsay Lohan or some shit. So I watched the Al-Jazeera web stream, since for some fucking reason this is the only country on earth where you can't watch it.
If you couldn't find information on this it isn't a failure of media.
No need to put words in my mouth, thanks. However, most news sources were sourcing Al-Jazeera, so I figured I'd watch it. And it was like this:
Al-Jazeera: This just in, we've been informed by Italy that two of Gaddhafi's Air Force colonels have defected to Malta.
(20 minutes pass)
CNN: According to 'our sources', two of Gaddhafi's Air Force colonels have defected to Malts.
This went on all day. Seriously, it was PAINFULLY obvious that they were cribbing off Al-Jazeera. Fox News probably was, too!
Even *if* I believed that this was Bin Laden TV, which is fucking absurd (in fact, if you ask the more autocratic Middle Eastern regimes about Al-Jazeera, they'll tell you it's American/Zionist propaganda... seriously, I once had a roommate from Saudi Arabia, and he said Al-Jazeera was like MTV compared to the Saudi state networks) , I'd rather see it for myself than have someone else filter it for me.
Or do you not have the intellectual courage to do so yourself? It's a shame how so many people imprison their own minds.*
*And yes, I do often turn on Fox News to see their take on bombshell stories. Although I'm usually let down because they're covering 'BREAKING NEWS: ACORN SIGN SPOTTED IN WISCONSIN' or whatever.
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Screaming Eagle said: Muslims HATE America. They're OUR ENEMY. How are WE supposed to accept that THEY are FAIR AND BALANCED towards US?
By fucking listening and thinking.
Seriously. Critical thinking. Ever hear of it? Ever watch a TV show and try to actually analyze what the people are saying, as opposed to accepting every word of it as gospel truth? What you may find is that sometimes you get these weird thoughts like "I think this guy's full of shit." or "I heard that other talking head say the same goddamn thing yesterday, I guess they're sharing crib notes." See, you don't have to 'accept' anything about anyone. You can even pause the show, google a 'fact' to see if they're bullshitting, and then press play after doing your own research!
And WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE WHOLE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND THE UNITED STATES?! Seriously, can you even grasp the concept of an international news network? Imagine, if you will, a network that runs stories for an hour and none of them even mention America. They'll even do, like, weather forecasts for South America -- even though people who aren't from South America are watching, too! I'm not making this stuff up.
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Re: American media [Re: Atomsk]
#14068872 - 03/04/11 11:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Atomsk said: Alex Jones just made sense...
Know ye well the signs of the end times.
That made no sense. I remember him saying the same shit about the government having been taken over by the same forces longer than the 5 years ago when I first encountered him. He's just spewing some sort of half baked nonsense with no coherent narrative... as always.
The US government has been operating extensive propaganda campaigns for decades as HC initially said, particularly with regard to war after Vietnam. The cold war being a notable propaganda campaign. The foolish part is that she does not see how the freedom of the internet is ending this monopoly leaks and media without borders have broadened the reach of truth into everyone's living rooms.
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On the topic of foreign media (like Al Jazeera), if you haven't watched it then you are prejudiced against it likely. However, if you actually believe FauX news is something remotely resembling good journalism, it's fair to say that you would probibly still hold these opinions. I mean, no realistic and fair reporting is gong to yank a fox viewer's head from the la la land up their own ass. If anyone believes that trash on faux news they are far too deluded to actually even look for real news. Hell they're way more likely to want some trash like infowars because they are more addicted to hearing the propaganda cues (words) than interested in learning about the world around them.
Since we're dumping on AMSM's coverage, I might add that most of the initial coverage and information that networks like CNN were reporting was from democracy now, which alone with Al Jazeera were the only ones offering immediate coverage of the uprising and had the most popular tweeter on the ground reporting in Cairo during the uprising. It's funny that when and if the AMSM reports on something the often have to fish off of other far better networks.
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ScavengerType said: Hillary Clinton recently said what we've all known about american mainstream media for a while. It's not news.
I guess we heard different statements because what I heard was a plea for a larger budget for the state run prObama media
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Really prisoner? I had no idea Al Jazeera was so anti-Obama.
-------------------- "Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?" "The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything." - Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now. Conquer's Club
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The US is losing the global information war, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declared while appearing before a congressional committee to ask for extra funds to spread US propaganda through new media.
http://rt.com/news/information-war-media-us/
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Yea that was in the video I posted. What I don't see is how you equate US/empire propaganda with pro-Obama propaganda. As far as anyone has said the money is supposed to be spent on propaganda for the empire not Obama. Barring the republicans running an anti-empire candidate, it seems like it's not even a partisan issue never-mind isolated to one person.
-------------------- "Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?" "The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything." - Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now. Conquer's Club
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What empire?
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As Public Broadcasting and Community Media Face Potentially Massive Cuts at Home, Hillary Clinton Calls for Increased Funding for U.S. Propaganda Overseas
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Public broadcasting is coming under attack. The House recently approved a bill that eliminated all financing for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting for the year 2013. This was the first time in recent memory that such a zeroing-out measure passed a vote.
The author of the bill, Colorado Republican Doug Lamborn, said, quote, "We live in a day of 150 cable channels—99 percent of Americans own a TV, we get Internet on our cell phones, we are in a day and age when we no longer need to subsidize broadcasting." Lamborn went on to say, we now look at public broadcasting and decide, "Has the time come for it to stand on its own two feet?"
In the context of such wide-ranging funding cuts, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the U.S. is losing the global "information war." Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee last Wednesday, she said the Arabic news network Al Jazeera is gaining more prominence in the U.S. because it offers "real news" and is far more effective both in the U.S. and abroad.
Seems the US wants to fight the info-war abroad and keep an info-blackout at home.
-------------------- "Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?" "The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything." - Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now. Conquer's Club
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http://ace.mu.nu/archives/313028.php
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On the tapes, Schiller wastes little time before attacking conservatives. The Republican Party, Schiller says, has been “hijacked by this group.” The man posing as Malik finishes the sentence by adding, “the radical, racist, Islamaphobic, Tea Party people.” Schiller agrees and intensifies the criticism, saying that the Tea Party people aren’t “just Islamaphobic, but really xenophobic, I mean basically they are, they believe in sort of white, middle-America gun-toting. I mean, it’s scary. They’re seriously racist, racist people.”
Schiller goes on to describe liberals as more intelligent and informed than conservatives. “In my personal opinion, liberals today might be more educated, fair and balanced than conservatives,” he said.
...When O’Keefe’s two associates pressed him into the topic, Schiller decried U.S. media coverage of Egypt’s uprising against former dictator Hosni Mubarak, especially talk of the Muslim Brotherhood’s influence on the protests and future of Egypt. Schiller said that is what he is “most disappointed by in this country, which is that the educated, so-called elite in this country is too small a percentage of the population, so that you have this very large un-educated part of the population that carries these ideas.”
Much much more at the link.
Propagandizing other countries in our interest is fine. The government paying an organization to propagandize the domestic population to favor one side is not.
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And this being broadcast on Russia Today. They both are pure garbage television.
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