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Job hunt strategies?
    #14066809 - 03/04/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I know im not the only one desperate for a job. i think we should all share tips and questions on job hunting.


Ive got a resume, and a generic cover letter that usually is just a quick run down of my previous experience, im actually not sure what the hell a cover letter is even for. any tips on that?

also i was planning on just randomly dropping by places like news stations, tv stations, ect.

but i not sure who to give my resume too, im worried that if i give it to the receptionist it will just get thrown in the trash a soon as i leave.

also anyone ever used linkin? ive got an account and i have no clue wtf the site is for.

for anyone looking for a crappy retail job, beware of the evil khronos personality test. a probably outdated answer key is here:
http://www.timothyhorrigan.com/documents/unicru-personality-test.answer-key.html


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: kintos]
    #14066879 - 03/04/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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zenthor said:
for anyone looking for a crappy retail job, beware of the evil khronos personality test.


What's so evil about it?


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: Poid]
    #14066886 - 03/04/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Aim low. :thumbup:


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14067441 - 03/04/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
Aim low. :thumbup:



This.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: kintos]
    #14067454 - 03/04/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Don't just hand your resume or applications to front desk/counter people.

Ask to talk to a manager or the GM and personally hand it to them. Make a good first impression too.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: thoughts]
    #14067531 - 03/04/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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iwasaClown said:
Don't just hand your resume or applications to front desk/counter people.

Ask to talk to a manager or the GM and personally hand it to them.




Because the GM has nothing better to do than drop whatever he is doing and come talk to you.

Bad advice. Unless there's an HR department, in which case your application will be electronic.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: Poid]
    #14067543 - 03/04/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Poid said:
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zenthor said:
for anyone looking for a crappy retail job, beware of the evil khronos personality test.


What's so evil about it?



You have to lie if you want to pass it.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14067548 - 03/04/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I guess that's only good with restaurant or small retail jobs- which is what i was referring to, duder.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: kintos]
    #14067582 - 03/04/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Become a soul trader :wink:

Got any skills?  Know how to buy and sell?

Work for yourself, its what I do.  Can make way more than a crappy job when you get good at it.  I do all sorts.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: biff]
    #14067603 - 03/04/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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biff said:
Quote:

Doc_T said:
Aim low. :thumbup:



This.




Agreed.  This is my job hunting strategy.  The unemployed people I know have unrealistic expectations for their employment.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14067652 - 03/04/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yellowpages.com

Type in a city and an industry and get calling asking if they're hiring.

Granted I'm doing this for a specific, degree required field, and not just some part-time highschool diploma shit.

But this is my strategy and I've been able to submit two resumes + cover letters this way out of the 5-10 places I've called.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: thoughts]
    #14067747 - 03/04/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

iwasaClown said:
Don't just hand your resume or applications to front desk/counter people.

Ask to talk to a manager or the GM and personally hand it to them. Make a good first impression too.




Yeah - sleep lots and don't get drunk the night before, dress snappy, and act like you have good reason to talk to the manager, to inform him or her about this fine opportunity to employ your services.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14069635 - 03/05/11 05:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Go to a temp agency.

They can find anyone a job. Felons, illegal immigrants, child molesters, etc.


I recently got a job through a temp agency and I work with nothing but illegal immigrants, and my supervisor is a child molester. :rofl:

Sounds like fun huh?


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: kintos]
    #14069641 - 03/05/11 05:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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zenthor said:
Ive got a resume, and a generic cover letter that usually is just a quick run down of my previous experience, im actually not sure what the hell a cover letter is even for. any tips on that?



Make the cover letter and your resume specific to the job you apply for. This goes in particular for the cover letter. The purpose of the cover letter is to get the person who's doing the hiring to read your CV. If your cover letter does not make clear in one sentence why they should consider you as a likely candidate, then it fails and you're more likely to end up on the bottom of the pile. In your CV, try to tailor your competencies, experience and successes to the job you're applying for; highlight those aspects that you think are particularly relevant to the job at hand.
So a generic CV and cover letter are a good starting point, but if you do it right, you'll end up with a tailored version of both for each job and company you apply for.


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also i was planning on just randomly dropping by places like news stations, tv stations, ect.

but i not sure who to give my resume too, im worried that if i give it to the receptionist it will just get thrown in the trash a soon as i leave.



Specifically ask for the human resource department, and personally hand over your stuff to someone who is in a position to run/influence the hiring process. It also helps that the hiring peeps get to see your face, which is invariably in your advantage if you are invited for an interview at a later stage.

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also anyone ever used linkin? ive got an account and i have no clue wtf the site is for.



Linkedin is Facebook for professionals. I myself make sure to add anyone I have intensive professional contacts with. If you consistently do this, you'll build a network that may bear fruit one day. So it doesn't work to just go to Linkedin while you don't have a network, and then expect to find job openings. But once you have a network of contacts, you can see where they work and what sort of job they're doing. You can then contact those persons you think are in relevant industries or functions and see if they can help you find a job opening in their organization or within their professional network. So the key to using Linkedin is to keep building your network throughout your professional career.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14069646 - 03/05/11 05:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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blewmeanie said:
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Poid said:
Quote:

zenthor said:
for anyone looking for a crappy retail job, beware of the evil khronos personality test.


What's so evil about it?



You have to lie if you want to pass it.



Shouldnt i be rewarded for my honesty though?


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: kintos]
    #14069821 - 03/05/11 07:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nowadays job hunting is like a lot of other things: It can be done online.  Make a profile, apply to positions that are open and posted on the web.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: badchad]
    #14069825 - 03/05/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So wait...rewind a minute...are you saying I dont need to leave the house to get a job?
Where do I sign up?


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14069846 - 03/05/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Telemarketing positions or run an internet based business.  I've done both at home.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14069850 - 03/05/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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blewmeanie said:
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zenthor said:
for anyone looking for a crappy retail job, beware of the evil khronos personality test.


What's so evil about it?



You have to lie if you want to pass it.





a. Strongly Disagree


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14069859 - 03/05/11 07:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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blewmeanie said:
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Poid said:
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zenthor said:
for anyone looking for a crappy retail job, beware of the evil khronos personality test.


What's so evil about it?



You have to lie if you want to pass it.





a. Strongly Disagree




:rimshot:        :ilold:


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: RobMarley420]
    #14069866 - 03/05/11 07:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Go to a temp agency.

They can find anyone a job. Felons, illegal immigrants, child molesters, etc.


I recently got a job through a temp agency and I work with nothing but illegal immigrants, and my supervisor is a child molester. :rofl:

Sounds like fun huh?




I went to a temp service several years back, I was told that I was
overqualified for any of the positions they had, they did suggest I
talk directly with one company that I'd already spoken with prior to
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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14069868 - 03/05/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So wait...rewind a minute...are you saying I dont need to leave the house to get a job?
Where do I sign up?




Toys R Us hires like that.
Get on the website, fill out an app. Takes a long time to get set up, but then you can easily apply for different positions.
They have a couple of psych tests based on the position you apply for. I thought it was kind of fun. Takes 45 mins to an hour.
There's no drug testing, I guess the psych test screens out druggies?

Which of the following would you like to have co-workers think about you?
That you are


a) helpful
b) knowledgeable
c) cheerful
d) friendly


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: kintos]
    #14069928 - 03/05/11 08:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That personality test looks like another crappy tool for the managers to use.  I bet they use that tool and they still pick the wrong person.  The fundamental problem with finding a job in my case has been 1) Managers don't know what they want 2) They are so paranoid of getting the wrong person that they will interview 20 or 30 people, and discard even good candidates, then suddenly they will get a new resume in and without any thought at all, hire that guy. 

Besides that, every company I worked at except one had crappy managers that didn't know how to handle people.  I don't even want to go back to work anymore.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14069955 - 03/05/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The fundamental problem with finding a job in my case has been 1) Managers don't know what they want





they know what they want, they want someone that already has a job

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/04/disturbing-job-ads-the-un_n_600665.html


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14069970 - 03/05/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
The fundamental problem with finding a job in my case has been 1) Managers don't know what they want





they know what they want, they want someone that already has a job

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/04/disturbing-job-ads-the-un_n_600665.html




That's just another symptom of managers that don't know what they want.  I don't have problems getting jobs, I have a problem with the ignorance of engineering managers who are good engineers and crap managers.  So I limit myself to contracts now.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14070045 - 03/05/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The psych test seems to have worked for my company, all the newer people who went through it are awesome to work with.
If we could boot out the crusty old farts, we could really get the place rockin'.


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Re: Job hunt strategies? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14070067 - 03/05/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You get job by having a skill or an asset that someone else has to have. To most people it's simply their warm body that can be trained to do specific tasks, usually some sort of service.

If one seeks to get a higher paying job or a management type position, you will have to actually have credibility. A degree is no longer what is required to be credible (tons of people have degrees, that market is inflated with them), people are actually looking for critical thinking, self sufficient people that aren't just looking for a job, but rather looking to take themselves and everyone else around them to the next level. No matter how shitty the job I have worked in the past, every second of that time was spent thinking how the hell do I do better than "this".

I started a computer business when I 17, it started from word of mouth. I carried temporary jobs throughout the years being a warm body while I was learning, but I always returned to the area I had the most skill and passion and it has always made me the most money and gave me the most credibility. Today, with no college degree, I have a professional job writing software (Jan, 2010), a raise, and currently working a deal with start-up company to be a stake holder. I don't have shit for money to invest, instead I work for free and donate my time writing software in exchange for shares.

The world is changing rapidly as we get into a new age, the Information Age. We will either be people working with information and technology, or be a person that provides the countless services we all need to be a civilized species. I don't say this stuff to gloat, but rather this is bare minimum everybody should do. I work as hard as I possibly can everyday, only to come home and think how I can be better. I lay awake every night thinking this stuff.

People just have to find what they enjoy and go do it and not take no for an answer. People of my generation in large seem have so little drive and inspiration, yet so much expectation.


Edited by daytripper05 (03/05/11 09:28 AM)


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