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OrgoneConclusion
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Born Again vs. Enlightened
#14061616 - 03/03/11 05:32 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Since both are self-proclaimed with the intent of making one look superior to others without having to change or do anything whatsoever, I consider these a double-fail.
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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: falcon]
#14061933 - 03/03/11 06:26 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Jesus-Worship vs Self-Worship ?
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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: WScott]
#14061961 - 03/03/11 06:31 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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andrewss
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so in a sense you are the most enlightened of the bunch?
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Not many people really claim they are enlightened.
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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Lion]
#14065299 - 03/04/11 09:19 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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I'm enlightened.
(whatever that means)
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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Icelander] 1
#14065398 - 03/04/11 09:49 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Diploid
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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Lion]
#14065546 - 03/04/11 10:31 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Not many people really claim they are enlightened.
I'm enlightened.
By at least a kilogram. I just went to the bathroom.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Since both are self-proclaimed with the intent of making one look superior to others without having to change or do anything whatsoever, I consider these a double-fail.
I know this was a well thought out thread that had serious consideration of intelligent conversation, and as such is in no way trolling. But let me help, enlightenment is a conceptualization of a mental transition that one undergoes toward whatever it is they feel is a higher intelligence.. This could be anything, such as understanding that just about everything around you is a tool to hypnotize you into an Americanized patriotic consumer work robot. Coming away from psyches and ego loss you could consider yourself enlightened to some extent. Someone who goes through college and understands the world better could consider themselves enlightened to an extent as thier understanding has increased and changed.
Assuming the overall intent and stating it as fact is moot. You don't know anyone's intent unless the (honestly) tell you. Most don't even know their own intent. So on your part that is a single fail.
As for born again, it is impossible to trully be born again unless your physical brain has littereally physically changed as we have impulses because of our brain itself. Who would want to get laid if they had really low levels of testosterone etc. However, for intance, if you do DMT and it changes your life and your whole concepts of the world, then that could be considered born again.
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Also, I looked up at the sky and couldn't see god. I then asked him to strike me down. He didn't. I then prayed to him to appear before me and he didn't Therefore he doesn't exist. God the concept doesn't exist because the Christian god didn't appear before me.
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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Seanfu]
#14065700 - 03/04/11 11:02 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Seanfu said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Since both are self-proclaimed with the intent of making one look superior to others without having to change or do anything whatsoever, I consider these a double-fail.
I know this was a well thought out thread that had serious consideration of intelligent conversation, and as such is in no way trolling. But let me help, enlightenment is a conceptualization of a mental transition that one undergoes toward whatever it is they feel is a higher intelligence.. This could be anything, such as understanding that just about everything around you is a tool to hypnotize you into an Americanized patriotic consumer work robot. Coming away from psyches and ego loss you could consider yourself enlightened to some extent. Someone who goes through college and understands the world better could consider themselves enlightened to an extent as thier understanding has increased and changed.
Assuming the overall intent and stating it as fact is moot. You don't know anyone's intent unless the (honestly) tell you. Most don't even know their own intent. So on your part that is a single fail.
As for born again, it is impossible to trully be born again unless your physical brain has littereally physically changed as we have impulses because of our brain itself. Who would want to get laid if they had really low levels of testosterone etc. However, for intance, if you do DMT and it changes your life and your whole concepts of the world, then that could be considered born again.
I'm bored again. But easily cured by going to another forum for a little while.
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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#14065723 - 03/04/11 11:06 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Icelander said:
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Seanfu said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Since both are self-proclaimed with the intent of making one look superior to others without having to change or do anything whatsoever, I consider these a double-fail.
I know this was a well thought out thread that had serious consideration of intelligent conversation, and as such is in no way trolling. But let me help, enlightenment is a conceptualization of a mental transition that one undergoes toward whatever it is they feel is a higher intelligence.. This could be anything, such as understanding that just about everything around you is a tool to hypnotize you into an Americanized patriotic consumer work robot. Coming away from psyches and ego loss you could consider yourself enlightened to some extent. Someone who goes through college and understands the world better could consider themselves enlightened to an extent as thier understanding has increased and changed.
Assuming the overall intent and stating it as fact is moot. You don't know anyone's intent unless the (honestly) tell you. Most don't even know their own intent. So on your part that is a single fail.
As for born again, it is impossible to trully be born again unless your physical brain has littereally physically changed as we have impulses because of our brain itself. Who would want to get laid if they had really low levels of testosterone etc. However, for intance, if you do DMT and it changes your life and your whole concepts of the world, then that could be considered born again.
I'm bored again. But easily cured by going to another forum for a little while.
Oh, you come to philosophy forums for entertainment?
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If you see the Buddha on the road, strike him down. The enlightened have no need to self-proclaim.
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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Diploid]
#14066504 - 03/04/11 02:04 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Diploid said: Not many people really claim they are enlightened.
I'm enlightened.
By at least a kilogram. I just went to the bathroom. 
That's a liter of piss or a kilo of shit.
Either way.. i'm impressed.
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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: andrewss]
#14067112 - 03/04/11 04:11 PM (13 years, 23 hours ago) |
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andrewss said: so in a sense you are the most enlightened of the bunch?
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OrgoneConclusion said: Since both are self-proclaimed with the intent of making one look superior to others without having to change or do anything whatsoever, I consider these a double-fail.
I don't think it's about looking superior, enlightenment is basically a word to describe a person who is completely content with themselves and the ability to take 'problems' on with ease from the knowledge they've gained.
And rebirth again, is just a word to describe a person who previously was following a certain way of living and made a major change in how they live.
I do not see fail in either of these, if the changes help make that person's life 'easier' or 'happy' even if they are wrong, then where is the fail?
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OrgoneConclusion said: Since both are self-proclaimed with the intent of making one look superior to others without having to change or do anything whatsoever, I consider these a double-fail.
Enlightenment is a figure of speech and is supposed to be understood as such, it is not really describing anything. Born Again is quite different. While there are some similarities, there are also important differences between the concept.
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learningtofly said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Since both are self-proclaimed with the intent of making one look superior to others without having to change or do anything whatsoever, I consider these a double-fail.
Enlightenment is a figure of speech and is supposed to be understood as such, it is not really describing anything.
Since when do figures of speech not describe anything?
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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Poid]
#14068424 - 03/04/11 09:34 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago) |
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When you stop thinking that language can describe reality.
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