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ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek?
    #14066047 - 03/04/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

greetings all:)

i'm about to start my second serious grow venture utilizing the PF-tek method as shown in roger rabbit's video tutorials (an excellent instructional resource, btw).

anyway. my friend and i are hoping to build a slightly more advanced growing chamber than the one shown in the video.. we have an ultrasonic terrarium humidifier at our disposal (a "zoo-med repti fogger terrarium humidifier)" as well as an outlet timer for our lighting setup.  we're also looking for some good heating methods, as our little koh samui's are tropical and our location is... not. lol.

links to any intermediate level terrarium teks (preferably with pictures) would be genius.
thanks a million!!
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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: ethereal_beauty]
    #14066057 - 03/04/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"Advanced" in the sense of more complicated and expensive, or "advanced" like the most effective technology?


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: ethereal_beauty] * 1
    #14066096 - 03/04/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The last thing you want in a terrarium is an ultrasonic pumping saturated mist into it.  The shotgun terrarium was the result of over 30 years experience growing mushrooms, and over 25 years of electrical and mechanical engineering experience with a specialty in computer automation. 

It's based loosely on the engineering of the supports for the Alaska pipeline which have to keep the ground frozen around them 365 days out of the year to prevent shifting, which would rip the pipeline apart.  The system on the Alaska pipeline uses no electricity to circulate the ammonia refrigerant.  The shotgun terrarium uses no electricity to circulate the air within.  Both are based on the physics of fluid movement from high pressure to low.
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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14066140 - 03/04/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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RogerRabbit said:
It's based loosely on the engineering of the supports for the Alaska pipeline which have to keep the ground frozen around them 365 days out of the year to prevent shifting, which would rip the pipeline apart.  The system on the Alaska pipeline uses no electricity to circulate the ammonia refrigerant.  The shotgun terrarium uses no electricity to circulate the air within.  Both are based on the physics of fluid movement from high pressure to low.
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good old fluid dynamics for the win :smile2:


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14066301 - 03/04/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

good lord, my first post and i already feel like a dumbass lol.

to be totally honest, my friend jumped the gun in buying the fogger and i was seeing if there was a way to implement it solely for humidification, or else just return it to the store.  i trust your experience, so back to the store it is.

that being the case...
do you have any suggestions as to how we should heat the terrarium?  my main concern was that our indoor environment is a bit too cool for the samui's to grow happily in (the house is usually about 67ºF).  we've thought about putting a small space heater in the room to boost the temperature in there a little, but really have no idea how functional that would be.

thank you very much for your help.


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14066331 - 03/04/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the most effective technology, of course. :smile:

i acknowledge that often the simplest way is indeed the best way, but as i'm still very new to this i'm not sure what useful technological devices/adaptions or implementations are out there to make things more efficient and effective.


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: ethereal_beauty]
    #14066420 - 03/04/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if you were running a 'martha-style' fruiting chamber, then the humidifier would come in handy... and that would be more 'advanced' for you, search that shit-> "martha"

But the RR videos are made for guidance and should be followed closely, if that is your source/tek.  Once you understand what is taking place with a more "hand-on" perspective, you can start going off-course and implementing your own experimentation to expand your knowledge... 'tis a great hobby.

quick question, when you say terrarium, do you mean a glass-aquarium or a big plastic sterilite tote?
because that makes a bit of a difference

OR

Step-up to bulk, it's actually less advanced IMO. It is just a different scenario taking place, not alot of new info.

  When I was young, years ago, my first attempts at pf-tek never took off.  So I waited and researched and got busy with life(went to engineering school)... the point is, when I finally had the time and knowledge necessary, I dove right back into this hobby head first... went straight to bulk and never looked back.

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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: LurkingWizards]
    #14066474 - 03/04/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks so much, i'll definitely do some research on this.. martha. :smile: it would be nice for all the effort my buddy spent getting that damn humidifier not to be a waste lol.

and we've got a big plastic tote... i wanna say its a 20gal but i'm not sure.

we're actually looking to shoot for bulk grows, so that's great to know that its not more difficult. i'd love to turn this into more than a hobby, its really something i love and garner a lot of satisfaction from.  there's just nothing quite like making things grow:)

thanks again for your input, much appreciated!


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: ethereal_beauty]
    #14066574 - 03/04/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

ethereal_beauty said:
its really something i love and garner a lot of satisfaction from.  there's just nothing quite like making things grow:)




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i know, it's like... that "I Made This" quote :smile2: :themoreyouknow: fail :picard: i'm just being silly

I perform the same task schedule every 10-14 days, once you get into using grain spawn, you can utilize g2g transfer-methods... it's like perpetual motion. One day I will make a thread based on this 'practice' that should help alot of people new to grain spawn and the ideals behind 'perpetually-expanding-bulk' and methods of 'getting the most from your spawn'.

glad you enjoy this stuff, research is so fun sometimes, lol.


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: LurkingWizards]
    #14066678 - 03/04/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

lmfao great reply, man.  silliness is crucial to my survival on planet earth, so you get a gold star lol. especially for the captain-pickard-slaps-face. epic funnyXD

but yeah, g2g transfer sounds pretty intensely awesome.. way over my head at the moment, but that's a temporary thing.:smile:

you wouldn't happen to have any heating suggestions for a shotgun terrarium in a closed-off corner of in its own room, would you? we're thinking space heater (away from the terrarium of course), but that just seems so.. ghetto lol


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: ethereal_beauty]
    #14067728 - 03/04/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14068166 - 03/04/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
The last thing you want in a terrarium is an ultrasonic pumping saturated mist into it.  The shotgun terrarium was the result of over 30 years experience growing mushrooms, and over 25 years of electrical and mechanical engineering experience with a specialty in computer automation. 

It's based loosely on the engineering of the supports for the Alaska pipeline which have to keep the ground frozen around them 365 days out of the year to prevent shifting, which would rip the pipeline apart.  The system on the Alaska pipeline uses no electricity to circulate the ammonia refrigerant.  The shotgun terrarium uses no electricity to circulate the air within.  Both are based on the physics of fluid movement from high pressure to low.
RR





Some information I never knew in that thread. You never cease to amaze me RR.
On the other hand. That was probably the BEST explanation on why you should us a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber.


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: ethereal_beauty]
    #14069040 - 03/04/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here is the setup i use :


Just a tub, in the middle you can see a water tank with a fogger. A fan is stuck on one side and blow through an oven filter. Of course its not the best chamber but its working. You can add a terrarium heater in the tank if needed to up temperature. Fogger timer is on 15 mins tree times a day and the fan 15 mins 4 times a day.

In the tank for the fogger i add that thing to keep the fogger at the right level of water :


This system was used by a famous dutch shop years ago and we simply made the same during a boring day. We used the same system with that fogger at the top of a Martha greenhouse and it was still providing enough humidity to have nice flushes.  Moreover, in my area we cant find such nice coolmist humidifier they've in US. Because your friend ever bought a fogger and if you want to use it, you can try that chamber.
As other posters told you there are better teks but that one if effective at least for cubes. Shotgun fruiting chamber is working like a charm and is by far more simple. So, if you can, i would keep the fogger for a bigger chamber as a greenhouse.


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: mill]
    #14069077 - 03/04/11 11:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No need to heat your FC.  Most space heaters are gonna suck moisture from the air.  Cubes will fruit fine in sub-70.  They actually produce some thick fruits.

The SGFC will work fine with no humidifer or heater.  I was very skeptical, and my cakes love it.  I live in a dry winter climate atm.


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #14070309 - 03/05/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I prefer to fruit in colder temps then people typically do.
And I prefer the results in doing so. They are thicker fruits.
Hardier, and more potent when I compared them to when I use to fruit
In the 75 - 80's. Now I fruit between the temperatures of 68F - 71F.
And I get excellent results with cubes.
I wouldn't try that with a specie like Pans though.
I think they like warmer temperatures for fruiting.


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: Stains Blue]
    #14080324 - 03/07/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

excellent. still gonna hold on to the ultrasonic for future experimentation with some of the trickier setups (just because it looks fun & interesting hehe), but RR's shotgun is obviously the way to go for us. i'm also in a chilly winter climate so its good to know the cubes will still be able to flourish.  once we get things up and running i'll be sure to post some updates:)

thanks again for all the helpful replies! wish us luck<3
hopefully we'll have some happy little thai cubies to celebrate springtime. :tongue2:


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: ethereal_beauty]
    #14080366 - 03/07/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Don't support the idea of a container with standing water in it. the fogger will utterly saturate you're substrate it might even seal the top layer off.


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Re: ultrasonic fogger terrarium tek? [Re: virus1824]
    #17439769 - 12/23/12 11:12 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I was interested in using an ultrasonic fogger for my fruiting chamber and found this new information that says "When used for agricultural purposes, it is important that there are no free water particles that can damage the plants and that water does not condense on the plants or their growing mediums. Since ultrasonic foggers produce water particles of the size of 5 microns or less, there is no possibility of condensation on the plants' surface or their growing medium. Also, the humidity levels are such that seedlings can grow healthily."

From
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/ultrasonic-fogger-how-does-it-work.html ;  

I'm pretty sure this is useful information that could help with using a ultrasonic fogger for mushrooms.


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