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What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it?
#14065652 - 03/04/11 10:54 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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I honestly think the number of people who actually have this are less than one percent.
At least as it seems clinically explained, THE Attention Deficit Disorder Vs. AN Attention Deficit Disorder.
So many restless people, hyper people can be treated with drugs because amphetamines and ritalin help anyone concentrate, and i love hearing "why does it have the opposite effect'
it doesn't i tell them, it just helps everyone concentrate so they use it.
I don't have to tell you how annoying SOME people who apparently have ADD or ADHD can be as i honestly think so few work at it that i have no sympathy.
Attention is a choice. If there is a deficit, like any deficit, you work on it. I bet its harder or easier for others, but success at it is based on attitude.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
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true and I don't think little kids should be given an amphetamine just because they're hyper . Thats just a fucked up excuse to drug your kid because you're a shitty parent that can't entertain them
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Salomon]
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total scam. Doctors should be charged with malpractice for prescribing amphetamines to KIDS. KIDS, DEVELOPING BRAINS, HELLO. NOT A GOOD COMBO
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: i like cow poo]
#14065752 - 03/04/11 11:12 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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I am tired of hearing it as an excuse with adults, its honestly still about attitude, if 90% of the time its choosing to not pay attention, who cares if they actually have it?
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#14065765 - 03/04/11 11:14 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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To me it just means they get some study pills and nobody else gets the same advantage.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#14065773 - 03/04/11 11:16 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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My psychiatrist willingly gives me dextroamphetamine when I ask, however, only in the lowest possible dose. Meaning a one month's supply is equal to only like five doses for me.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: The Phleg]
#14065804 - 03/04/11 11:22 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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ADHD is the most commonly studied and diagnosed psychiatric disorder in children, affecting about 3 to 5 percent of children globally[4][5] and diagnosed in about 2 to 16 percent of school aged children.[6]
there is your answer
Additionally, most clinicians have not received formal training in the assessment and treatment of ADHD, particularly in adult patients.[15]
these are the dsm-iv diagnostic symptoms list
Be easily distracted, miss details, forget things, and frequently switch from one activity to another Have difficulty maintaining focus on one task Become bored with a task after only a few minutes, unless doing something enjoyable Have difficulty focusing attention on organizing and completing a task or learning something new or trouble completing or turning in homework assignments, often losing things (e.g., pencils, toys, assignments) needed to complete tasks or activities Not seem to listen when spoken to Daydream, become easily confused, and move slowly Have difficulty processing information as quickly and accurately as others Struggle to follow instructions.
notice how they are all things that apply to almost all people at some degree
there are some legitimate cases of people, but I'd say probably only 1 in every 5 speed prescriptions ends up getting used in a truly necessary and legitimate fashion.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: The Phleg]
#14065818 - 03/04/11 11:26 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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pyrate999 said: To me it just means they get some study pills and nobody else gets the same advantage. 
For people with true attention problems, they were at a disadvantage compared to a normally functioning person in the first place.
For me, I was diagnosed when I was 20, given Dexedrine. Before that I couldn't even pay attention to peoples conversations. I'd totally blank out and not hear a word they were saying, even if it was insanely interesting to me.
I'd drive right by places or streets I was trying to go to, because I was thinking about something else.
And the worst thing (what really hurt me in school) was that I'd read a book, get to the bottom of the page and realize that I had completely lost focus on what I was reading. My eyes were following the words, but my mind was in a million different places.
Amps helped with that for a while. It helped me improve my grades in school and helped me be able to pay attention to instructions and processes at work (I used to have to ask people to repeat instructions or how to do things at least 5 things).
Until I started abusing the Dexedrine.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#14065848 - 03/04/11 11:34 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Oh and it's all ADHD now. Two subtypes, hyperactive and inattentive. I was inattentive. It fucking sucked.
And I didn't just get diagnosed out of the DSM like most people (asking a bunch of questions about symptoms you have to make a diagnosis). I feel that leads to a lot of overdiagnosis or false diagnosis.
My Psychiatrist tested me on a computer program that literally took around 2 hours to complete. It was basically a bunch of numbers and letters that came up on the screen in random intervals and you would have to remember what keys to hit when certain letters came up. Also you would have to click the mouse when a number came up, but not when another did. It measured reaction times, correct/incorrect input and vigilance.
I did horrible. Really fucking horrible. He showed me the results he got taking the same test along with results from other patients that had problems other than ADHD and it was like night and day difference. Even bipolar people had scores way better than me.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#14065851 - 03/04/11 11:34 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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For me, I was diagnosed when I was 20, given Dexedrine. Before that I couldn't even pay attention to peoples conversations. I'd totally blank out and not hear a word they were saying, even if it was insanely interesting to me.
This seems like what I would expect.
I'd drive right by places or streets I was trying to go to, because I was thinking about something else.
sometimes the thinking about something else can be for ALOT of things, so thats hard to say.
And the worst thing (what really hurt me in school) was that I'd read a book, get to the bottom of the page and realize that I had completely lost focus on what I was reading. My eyes were following the words, but my mind was in a million different places.
Could be Hyperlexia, maybe on the more severe end. Did you learn to read early and never have problems with word jumbling, or at least no noticeable reading deficit?
Amps helped with that for a while. It helped me improve my grades in school and helped me be able to pay attention to instructions and processes at work (I used to have to ask people to repeat instructions or how to do things at least 5 things).
Until I started abusing the Dexedrine.
Would you think you might have Asperger's Syndrome? The last one sometimes also could have any number of things in understanding, not so much what you are actually taking in.
Either way, sounds like the first thing is your biggest one, because of the understanding that you wanto to listen but it doesn't actually register even when you try.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: morrowasted]
#14065891 - 03/04/11 11:42 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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morrowasted said:
these are the dsm-iv diagnostic symptoms list
Be easily distracted, miss details, forget things, and frequently switch from one activity to another Have difficulty maintaining focus on one task Become bored with a task after only a few minutes, unless doing something enjoyable Have difficulty focusing attention on organizing and completing a task or learning something new or trouble completing or turning in homework assignments, often losing things (e.g., pencils, toys, assignments) needed to complete tasks or activities Not seem to listen when spoken to Daydream, become easily confused, and move slowly Have difficulty processing information as quickly and accurately as others Struggle to follow instructions.
notice how they are all things that apply to almost all people at some degree
ha i've never looked at the diagnostic symptoms for add/adhd. shit i had all those symptoms as a kid, if i had just told my doctor i could've been sped out in class too!
seriously though who the fuck seriously gives full attention to things they aren't at all interested in?
i swear add/adhd prescriptions are either taken advantage of because of our MONEY base healthcare system, dumbass doctors, or dumbass parents. im leaning towards all of the above though.
another thing i'm willing to bet the high numbers of "children with add/adhd" just MIGHT have something to do with the vast majority of parents in america raising their children behind a television instead of actually raising their kids.
more importantly though our healthcare system is based on MONEY first, healthcare second. which is why i believe our healthcare system is one of the shittiest in the world, especially compared to canada/parts of europe.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#14065893 - 03/04/11 11:43 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Kinda hard split all that up since they aren't all in individual quotes, but I started reading at a VERY early age. I was averaging 2 books a week (stephen king, michael chrichton, stuff like that) when I was in 3rd grade. Was in the gifted program and was reading at a like a 10th grade level by the time I was in 3rd grade. I never had any problems with word jumbling or any dyslexic type stuff.
They called it adult onset ADHD type II (inattentive), but they probably could have caught it when I was around 6-7th grade when I started getting really behind on my work. Couldn't focus on lectures (even the interesting ones) and I couldn't retain information worth a shit, which really hurt me on tests.
I didn't really get any help till I was in College and had already dropped multiple classes simply because I couldn't keep up.
Now that I'm off the Dexedrine (have been for 3-4 years) about the longest I can read is a newspaper article. I just wish I wasn't a drug/alcohol addict and could use that shit responsibly, because it really helped me do the stuff I wanted to do.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#14065906 - 03/04/11 11:46 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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lemme ask, how long have you been into drugs/alcohol and to what frequency did you use? alcohol can be a very big contributing factor to a shortened attention span.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: blazenn]
#14065920 - 03/04/11 11:50 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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blazenn said: lemme ask, how long have you been into drugs/alcohol and to what frequency did you use? alcohol can be a very big contributing factor to a shortened attention span.
I smoked weed a bit from 16 on, but I didn't really get into the addictive side of drugs till I was around 20.
Well after my attention problems started surfacing. And I definitely didn't smoke enough in high school to affect it. I was like a 2-3 times a month smoker. Never had a drink till I was 19. Never abused alcohol till I was around 22.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: blazenn]
#14065933 - 03/04/11 11:53 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Most estimates are 3-5%.
In a class of 30, that's 1 or 2 kids. I think most of us could recall at least ONE kid in class who was a complete ass-hat and disrupted the learning process for everyone. Thus, the rate of ADHD doesn't seem high to me.
It's probably a cost effective way to deal with the problem. There are few better alternatives.
Diagnosing behavioral disorders with the "its all in your head mentality" brings medicine back to the dark ages.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#14065949 - 03/04/11 11:57 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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yea in your case alcohol definitely didn't contribute.
i personally don't think even chronic use of marijuana will take anything away from how well you focus. i've been using several times a day for years and i focus better in my college classes than i ever did in highschool. but i know that's because i enjoy the classes that i'm taking in college, plus i pay for them. but highschool was the last place i wanted to be. the only reason i didn't drop out is because i knew how much it would affect my mother if i did.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#14066897 - 03/04/11 03:24 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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pyrate999 said: To me it just means they get some study pills and nobody else gets the same advantage. 
For people with true attention problems, they were at a disadvantage compared to a normally functioning person in the first place.
For me, I was diagnosed when I was 20, given Dexedrine. Before that I couldn't even pay attention to peoples conversations. I'd totally blank out and not hear a word they were saying, even if it was insanely interesting to me.
I'd drive right by places or streets I was trying to go to, because I was thinking about something else.
And the worst thing (what really hurt me in school) was that I'd read a book, get to the bottom of the page and realize that I had completely lost focus on what I was reading. My eyes were following the words, but my mind was in a million different places.
Amps helped with that for a while. It helped me improve my grades in school and helped me be able to pay attention to instructions and processes at work (I used to have to ask people to repeat instructions or how to do things at least 5 things).
Until I started abusing the Dexedrine.
^this
Inattentive ADD is what i got. The strain from trying to concentrate on college lectures always without fail gave me horrible god damn tension headaches. I was diagnosed in the 2nd grade but ritalin didnt work so my parents took me off the meds. In public school i really didnt give a fuck so my grades sucked and i just assumed i was lazy, which i was lol, but whenever i attempted to do actual work that i wasn't really interested in id get headaches but i didnt think much of it.
College rolled around, i got there, felt more motivated than i have ever in my life and aced all my classes first semester. I didnt even have to take one of my finals. 2nd semesters comes and my classes are easier than my first semesters and i failed every single one. I still wanted to do well at college just as much that first semiester but i had subconsciously lost all interest, and even though the classes were easy, they were extremely hard because my focus didnt just happen like it did the semester before. i was spending more energy on trying not to get sucked into a fucking day dream than i was spending on the actual course material and the strain from forcing interest resulted in horrible god damn headaches.
My sleep started to get fucked up and i figured that was the reason i was doing so bad, because i was too tired to think. I battled with insomnia for over a year and failed another two semesters but then finally got my sleep under control.
Thinking that i had solved the problem by fixing my sleep i was absolutely sure that the approaching term was going to go back to normal and that i would pass my classes, well, nothing changed, i flunked the hell out of that one.
I thought ADD was a bullshit disorder but i went back and took another look at it. Turns out what i went through was pretty common for people with ADD( Insomnia, Anxiety, Depression, tension headaches), because you know that what your trying to do is easy as fuck and that you could do it with your hands tied behind your back if you were focused, but you have no control over when you are focused and forcing focus just gets you a tension headache, frustrated as hell, and all the work you do is crap and needs to be redone. The frustration caused by this made me lose shit tons of sleep which made my ADD symptoms even worse.
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: Aidsdragon]
#14067022 - 03/04/11 03:52 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Diagnosing behavioral disorders with the "its all in your head mentality" brings medicine back to the dark ages.
I love you for this quote, I've gotten a bit of hope in humanity after reading this and I think maybe it wouldn't be so great if the world would go up in flames tomorrow...
As for the topic, well I have no idea about ADHD in particular, but I iamgine it's a real thing because I have faith in psychiatry (you know, the science guys that dedicate their entire lives to furthering the knowledge in that field...you dirty hippie-no one in particular) and don't think it's made up. Now I don't know if giving amps to a kid is the brightest idea (i'm conservative that way) but what I do know is that amphetamines affect those with ADHD quite a bit differently then us normal folk, it calms them down and makes them able to focus, some of the guys in this thread with ADHD could confirm this i think.
Anyway, IMO anyone who doesn't have a mental disorder or doesn't have someone close with one should just kindly shut the fuck up and mind their own business or do some serious reading on the subject before spewing shit...just my 2cents
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Re: What exactly is ADD or ADHD? How grossly overdiagnosed is it? [Re: 13.step]
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