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    #14065433 - 03/04/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Try to write a song in 13/4. 



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Re: 13/4 [Re: R.J. Schiffler]
    #14074009 - 03/06/11 02:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)
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The drum part(tom pattern)in this track is in 13/8.  Bass is a pedestrian walking line and the guitar is mainly duple and free at times. 

The samples are from old Twilight Zone episodes and in the middle noisy section there are some other bizarre samples I grabbed from youtube like a quarter spinning down one of those coin fountains, thousands and thousands of large beetles scuttling at the base of a tree and a nuclear explosion in reverse.


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Re: 13/4 [Re: R.J. Schiffler]
    #14074075 - 03/06/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well that was a pretty interesting piece. I'm not sure I would have notated the whole thing in 13/4. The main theme is in 7/8 and in spots the piece goes to 2/4. Actually, it reminded me of a lopsided Zaraband in certain places.

Zarabands are normally in 12/4 phrases, notated as alternating bars of 3/4, 3/4, 2/4, 2/4, 2/4. Of course, for a 13/4 piece you could very easily alter this formula to 3 bars of 3/4, and 2 bars of 2/4. Or however you like, even continuously displacing a down beat, shifting the time feel every phrase.

I'd have to listen to your piece a few more times to map out exactly what's going on, but it's certainly an interesting concept. Have you considered orchestrating it a bit thicker? With more instrumentation, maybe brass, or strings you could bring out some nuances of melody and harmony(dissonance in this case) using timbre.


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Re: 13/4 [Re: Viveka]
    #14074257 - 03/06/11 04:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The drum part(tom pattern)in this track is in 13/8.  Bass is a pedestrian walking line and the guitar is mainly duple and free at times. 

The samples are from old Twilight Zone episodes and in the middle noisy section there are some other bizarre samples I grabbed from youtube like a quarter spinning down one of those coin fountains, thousands and thousands of large beetles scuttling at the base of a tree and a nuclear explosion in reverse.




its a good bassline.  Ilove the combination of that bassline and what the guiatr is playing.  I think if it had less random sound effects it would be better.


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Re: 13/4 [Re: Sunny]
    #14074264 - 03/06/11 04:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well that was a pretty interesting piece. I'm not sure I would have notated the whole thing in 13/4. The main theme is in 7/8 and in spots the piece goes to 2/4. Actually, it reminded me of a lopsided Zaraband in certain places.

Zarabands are normally in 12/4 phrases, notated as alternating bars of 3/4, 3/4, 2/4, 2/4, 2/4. Of course, for a 13/4 piece you could very easily alter this formula to 3 bars of 3/4, and 2 bars of 2/4. Or however you like, even continuously displacing a down beat, shifting the time feel every phrase.

I'd have to listen to your piece a few more times to map out exactly what's going on, but it's certainly an interesting concept. Have you considered orchestrating it a bit thicker? With more instrumentation, maybe brass, or strings you could bring out some nuances of melody and harmony(dissonance in this case) using timbre.





The framework is there.  It can definitely be made thicker.  Feel free to add to it if you want. the notes in the beginning are a bass playing e and f over and over in 13/4 and the piano playing C# Bb Ab in 7/4 and 6/4.  Its a blues scale then it goes into d major and then eflat major at the end and then after e flat im not really sure those last few bars i would have to play on guitar to figure out.

I love that beginning though there is so much potential.  It reminds me of the grudge by tool


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Re: 13/4 [Re: R.J. Schiffler]
    #14074338 - 03/06/11 05:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I think if it had less random sound effects it would be better.




Thanks for the input.  I thought about going back and stripping out some of the vocal samples but I didn't want to get back into the mix at this point.

Most of the random sound effects are coming from my electronic drums since there's actually two drum parts going since I looped the 13/8 tom pattern then played on top of it, so through the entire track there are two drum parts happening.  It's a bit strange and quirky for sure but it fits my vision of the song as a soundscape that could accompany a fever dream.


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