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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: deCypher]
    #14064204 - 03/04/11 12:45 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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I could pull up the full thing if I wanted to shell out thirty bucks, which I ain't gonna do.




If you guys want me to get any articles I can get them through uni for you. Would probably have to email them to you though cos putting them up on the forum would be against copyright law.

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Once again, showing that psychopaths are unable to discriminate between different emotional states that people are expressing




Nowhere in the article does it say this! Not one sentence. and I have read the whole thing.

The strongest word it uses is "less likely".

So from a highly biased and very small sample size the best they could get was "less likely"...

If I was going to undergo a medical operation I would want a LOT more evidence than this to support its efficacy!!!

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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: durantz]
    #14064244 - 03/04/11 12:57 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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I could pull up the full thing if I wanted to shell out thirty bucks, which I ain't gonna do.




If you guys want me to get any articles I can get them through uni for you. Would probably have to email them to you though cos putting them up on the forum would be against copyright law.




Sure, if you like.  I can get it at my University too but I'm not suspicious enough of the study's findings to warrant extra energy expenditure on my part.  :lol:

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Once again, showing that psychopaths are unable to discriminate between different emotional states that people are expressing




Nowhere in the article does it say this! Not one sentence. and I have read the whole thing.




Right here, in different words obviously:

"Laboratory research has documented psychopathy-related failures to ... discriminate among the affective aspects of words and faces (Blair et al., 2004)."

Also, from Wiki:

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In a 2002 study, David Kosson and Yana Suchy, et al. asked psychopathic inmates to name the emotion expressed on each of 30 faces; compared to the control group, psychopaths had a significantly lower rate of accuracy in recognizing disgusted facial affect but a higher rate of accuracy in recognizing anger. Additionally, when "conditions designed to minimize the involvement of right-hemispheric mechanisms" (i.e., sadness) were used, psychopaths had more difficulty accurately identifying emotions.



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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: deCypher]
    #14064270 - 03/04/11 01:07 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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"Laboratory research has documented psychopathy-related failures to ... discriminate among the affective aspects of words and faces (Blair et al., 2004)."




I thought we established that this was from another study... so we need to get that study and sus out how relevant it is...

The article you cited is claiming to be the FIRST one to look at the link between EI and Psychopathy. So Blair's article is related to something else.

As far as the Kosson & Suchy study goes it seems to just precede the Blair study. I bet if we looked in the Blair article we would find a reference to it. (should I check it out?)

One way or another dude we have a lot more research to do on sociopaths before we can conclude that they are not emotionally intelligent.

We've got to somehow find the hidden sociopaths and study them rather than the ones who are in prison. Cos surely you can see that the current studies are all greatly limited by their participants.

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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: durantz]
    #14064354 - 03/04/11 01:39 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Just sayin' that quote is from the first article, whether or not it references the Blair study.  At any rate we can at least say that psychopaths who have been caught exhibit deficits in emotional intelligence and are generally unable to discriminate differences in facial affect.  I don't see why this wouldn't extend to those who haven't been caught, though... is the difference between a caught psychopath and a free psychopath the ability to discriminate differences in facial affect or simply intelligence or a matter of not having been caught yet?


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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: deCypher]
    #14064447 - 03/04/11 02:23 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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...is the difference between a caught psychopath and a free psychopath the ability to discriminate differences in facial affect or simply intelligence or a matter of not having been caught yet?


Perhaps both their ability to discriminate differences in facial effect and their intelligence contribute to the likelihood of them being caught...:FattyNoneck:


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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: Poid]
    #14064563 - 03/04/11 03:22 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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are generally unable to discriminate differences in facial affect




No I'm sorry we can't say that. The dude's admitted themselves that their evidence was only very slight.

So we couldn't say generally. We could say 'more often than not', but then again that could just mean 51% are and 49% are not...

So much more research needs to be done before we can conclude anything.

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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: durantz]
    #14064580 - 03/04/11 03:28 AM (13 years, 1 day ago)

The Kosson and Suchy study shows a "significantly lower rate of accuracy in recognizing disgusted facial affect", not to mention increased difficulty in recognizing emotions.  The 'slight evidence' you're referring to is talking about a TMSS Attention and Repair scale, which as far as I can tell refers to attention to one’s feelings and the ability to repair one’s mood.  Given the significantly lower rate of accuracy mentioned in the Kosson and Suchy study, I'll bet the Blair study also shows such significant results, but we'll have to wait to see if my prediction is confirmed.


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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: deCypher]
    #14065272 - 03/04/11 09:12 AM (13 years, 1 day ago)

In psychological testing a significant statistic can be a correlation as low as 0.3... that's basically around 30%...

More research is needed!

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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: durantz]
    #14065389 - 03/04/11 09:47 AM (13 years, 1 day ago)

More research certainly can't hurt but my point was solely that a correlation does exist, and that it's statistically significant.  :lol:


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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: durantz] * 1
    #14065864 - 03/04/11 11:36 AM (13 years, 1 day ago)

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durantz said:
In psychological testing a significant statistic can be a correlation as low as 0.3... that's basically around 30%...

More research is needed!




No peer reviewed literature would state "significant" unless the p-value was below .05.


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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: Kickle]
    #14067394 - 03/04/11 05:21 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Now you going to make me find that Kosson and Suchy study and read the damn results!! grrrrrrr where is it?

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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: durantz]
    #14067487 - 03/04/11 05:47 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

OMG I'm glad I did read the article!!!

Ok on the participants.

34 Psychopaths VS 33 Non-Psychopaths (anyone else think this is a small sample size?)

Average IQ of psychopath group: 93.79 (OMG the mean intelligence was BELOW the average intelligence of the general population. Average IQ =100. Anyone else see how this could affect the results?)

Average IQ of non-psychopath group: 96.09. (WOW this group was smarter than the psychopath group. Anyone see how this could affect the results?)

Also they only tested people who were right handed (I'm not sure why they did this but this would also bias the results)

41% African-American! They couldn't even manage to make the ethnicity of the sample uniform.

ok time for the results:

1. They were unable to establish a normal distribution for results on the emotions of; happiness, sadness, and surprise. So they discounted them from the analyses. This left only anger, disgust, and fear. (Hrmmmm anyone else see a problem with this? these emotions are quite similar!! They are all negative emotions)

2. OMFG!!! The overall scores for correct responses to all 6 emotions were this.

Psychopaths (M=71.38 SD=12.53) Non-psychopaths (M=73.24 SD =12.43) (d=0.15)!!!!!!!

This is the SIGNIFICANT difference you were talking about.

Dude their results table is simply amazing! I wish I could send it to you. Cos you would then see how limited their experiment was.

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No peer reviewed literature would state "significant" unless the p-value was below .05.




They also have weak, moderate, and strong classifications of significant.

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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: durantz]
    #14067594 - 03/04/11 06:12 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

I just gotta quote some of their discussion section cos it is GOLD.

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their deficits were not general in nature but rather were evident only under specific circumstances




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In particular, the present study did not provide evidence that psychopaths are deficient at classifying fear and sadness. In fact, 44% of psychopaths and 42% of nonpsychopaths correctly identified 100% of the sad faces




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when faced with fearful facial expressions may not be due to an inability to interpret or label such expressions, but rather may reflect a failure to trigger appropriate autonomic activity in response to these stimuli.




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Finally, contrary to expectations, the present results
also suggest that psychopaths may be relatively better
than nonpsychopaths at detecting anger,




Anyways dude I'm sure I've proved my point

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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: durantz]
    #14067639 - 03/04/11 06:22 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Interesting; so they're only incapable of discriminating between particular emotions then.  That was a very misleading reference.


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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: durantz] * 1
    #14067642 - 03/04/11 06:23 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

:thumbup: for taking the time to examine it.


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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: deCypher]
    #14067645 - 03/04/11 06:24 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Yeah the particular one was disgust. All the others they were basically very similar to the non-psychopaths.

Also you've got to remember that on this particular test men perform badly anyway.

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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: durantz]
    #14067657 - 03/04/11 06:27 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Strange... why disgust and not other emotions?  There's gotta be some neurological explanation for this.  :strokebeard:


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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: deCypher]
    #14067670 - 03/04/11 06:30 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Well it's definitely a good question for more research :smile:

Are you studying psych too?

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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: durantz]
    #14067698 - 03/04/11 06:37 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Yeah, I'm a psych major.  :grin:  I presume you are as well?


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Re: XI intelligence, gift or curse? [Re: durantz]
    #14067773 - 03/04/11 06:55 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Cause their used to seeing reactions to their craziness, and
I'm geussing they look for disgust more intently than others.

If your super sexy like I am then your probably used to
looking for(and finding) lust on chicks faces, and ignoring other
emotions cause the looks of lust are a sure sign your gettin
laid.

When your more focused on recognizing a particular emotion,
it becomes easy to identify.

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