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ProfessorPinHead
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: Perun]
#14059018 - 03/03/11 09:57 AM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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I'm Back
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biologys
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nice vacation? :-x
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: biologys]
#14059037 - 03/03/11 10:02 AM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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I was workin' the whole time.... I got some well needed sleep too. 
I'll try an take it down a notch.
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ProfessorPinHead said: I'm Back 
I'm glad to hear that. Welcome back Prof.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#14059707 - 03/03/11 12:21 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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This job can get 2 ya sometimes
I def needed some rest and .......

my Chem-91 ...........
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#14060588 - 03/03/11 02:50 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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spawning on a linoleum floor that can be easily mopped is way different than spawning on a 20+yr old carpeted floor. so yeah you can spawn on a cleaner floor and get away with it.
The significance I was referring to was the closeness to the ground. My carpet is just as old as yours, and the only place in my entire apartment that isn't carpeted is the kitchen.
I assumed you would understand I'm not suggesting people spawn on their carpet. 
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and as for the basket tek he says not to put spawn near the edges because it dries out due to the ample fae and can cause contams to be able to grow. there are precautionary steps taken to allow colonization with full on fae during the spawn run.
C'mon, man. You just totally bypassed the evidence I put forth.
We have been talking about whether or not ample fae will cause problems with contamination from the fae not being filtered during colonization, aka ge. Drying of the substrate is relevant, but not what we're talking about.
You said - show me evidence that's more than just, "look at what I did, and got good results." I do that, and then you bring up a related but different topic.
The significance is in the ample fae provided not messing anything up. Nowhere have I suggested that you should provide air exchange above and beyond drying the substrate out. Ironically, I'd describe that as a strawman argument. Dude, that totally made me laugh. Good ol' logic humour. Man, no one knows what I'm talking about, huh? 
It's more than just ProfessorPinHead and I who have seen benefit from allowing adequate fae during colonization, including RogerRabbit. What I am saying is not new, and only contradicts outdated, incorrect information.
I can sympathize with your concern about new growers misunderstanding things, but I'm not going to censor the topics I'd like to discuss for fear of new growers taking the information the wrong way. I'd also like to reiterate what RogerRabbit has in his video regarding the straw basket, and how there was no issue with fae causing contamination, requiring ge instead.
The last thing I have to say on this topic: think about outdoor grows, where people yield up to 7lbs fresh weight per square foot. That's damn good, and damn dirty, and identical fae during colonization as per fruiting.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: faceyneck]
#14061280 - 03/03/11 04:39 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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Effective tool in the conquest to destroy the Tichoderm vermin ......
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ProfessorPinHead said: Effective tool in the conquest to destroy the Tichoderm vermin ......
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negative...this is what i've been considering buying
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: biologys]
#14062256 - 03/03/11 07:12 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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Ok no one has been called a hater for trying to discuss this today, so I will add .
1. I believe you are putting words in RR's mouth or bending them to fit what you are saying. I don't think RR would ever recommend unfiltered air(FAE) to a colonizing substrate.
2. You have already stated that you use polyfill during colonization, this makes it GE not FAE.
3. Indoor and outdoor growing are completely different. Wild mushrooms can be dormant for years while a mycelium network grows underground. While the myc is underground it gets very little o2 and when the conditions are right and the myc reaches the surface it will flush and produce large amounts of fruits just trying to survive. If you are talking about cultivated mushrooms and someone is getting 7# per sq foot I need to see some proof.
4. I agree with allowing adequate air during colonization but there is a big difference between FAE and GE.
CH
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: CH HELL]
#14062510 - 03/03/11 07:53 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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3. sounds like it was taken right out of Mycelium Running .......
Nice way of putting it though,
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: CH HELL]
#14062616 - 03/03/11 08:10 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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CH HELL said: 1. I believe you are putting words in RR's mouth or bending them to fit what you are saying. I don't think RR would ever recommend unfiltered air(FAE) to a colonizing substrate.
In the Manure substrate prep video, RR covers a tray with tin foil, and then stabs holes in the top for gas exchange. That's about as unfiltered as it gets.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: Masticore]
#14062637 - 03/03/11 08:13 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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CH HELL said: 1. I believe you are putting words in RR's mouth or bending them to fit what you are saying. I don't think RR would ever recommend unfiltered air(FAE) to a colonizing substrate.
In the Manure substrate prep video, RR covers a tray with tin foil, and then stabs holes in the top for gas exchange. That's about as unfiltered as it gets.

Dude that was fricken awesome.
Best post all week!
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#14062675 - 03/03/11 08:19 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: Morelman]
#14062696 - 03/03/11 08:21 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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GE, AE, PE, .... its all greek 2 me
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: Morelman]
#14062816 - 03/03/11 08:38 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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Morelman said: Poking holes in the top was for GE, not AE.
You can have GE without AE but you can't have AE without GE.
I agree.
(I'm no expert, so this is def. a guess) I feel like a small amount of GE holes poked in foil/saran wrap, when it's being used as a lid, maintains a GE position. This is due to CO2 being constantly forced outta these holes from the colonizing myc. The reason it's forced out is because the edges (where the "lid" meets the tub) would be air tight. Therefore, an organism, in our case mushrooms, creating a gas would force any excess volume of gas out of the bulk tub through said holes previously punched. Therefore, it's its own contam barrier through a slight Gas Exchange through these holes. Besides, for the most part, bulk spawn is extremely contam resistant...
just my thoughts on the subject, if I'm way off, let me know & I'll in my mouth for you all...
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: CH HELL]
#14064174 - 03/04/11 12:37 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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CH HELL said: 1. I believe you are putting words in RR's mouth or bending them to fit what you are saying. I don't think RR would ever recommend unfiltered air(FAE) to a colonizing substrate. CH
He would, and he has. Have you seen the video on straw in his DVD? 
He uses a typical oyster strain, inoculated with straw in a laundry basket, which colonizes in a plastic bin drilled like a MSG.
Am I wrong here? I could be, but I don't think so. 
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2. You have already stated that you use polyfill during colonization, this makes it GE not FAE.
...I've fanned daily while my tubs are colonizing before. I did it to this one, actually:
 
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3. Indoor and outdoor growing are completely different. Wild mushrooms can be dormant for years while a mycelium network grows underground. While the myc is underground it gets very little o2 and when the conditions are right and the myc reaches the surface it will flush and produce large amounts of fruits just trying to survive. If you are talking about cultivated mushrooms and someone is getting 7# per sq foot I need to see some proof.
Here is my source on the 7lbs per square foot.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: faceyneck]
#14064194 - 03/04/11 12:43 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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faceyneck said:
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CH HELL said: 1. I believe you are putting words in RR's mouth or bending them to fit what you are saying. I don't think RR would ever recommend unfiltered air(FAE) to a colonizing substrate. CH
He would, and he has. Have you seen the video on straw in his DVD? 
He uses a typical oyster strain, inoculated with straw in a laundry basket, which colonizes in a plastic bin drilled like a MSG.
Am I wrong here? I could be, but I don't think so. 
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2. You have already stated that you use polyfill during colonization, this makes it GE not FAE.
...I've fanned daily while my tubs are colonizing before. I did it to this one, actually:
 
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3. Indoor and outdoor growing are completely different. Wild mushrooms can be dormant for years while a mycelium network grows underground. While the myc is underground it gets very little o2 and when the conditions are right and the myc reaches the surface it will flush and produce large amounts of fruits just trying to survive. If you are talking about cultivated mushrooms and someone is getting 7# per sq foot I need to see some proof.
Here is my source on the 7lbs per square foot. 
i just have 1 question, always have heard tall lanky stems are from lack of fae...if you're proving more fae then usual why the tall lanky looking stems?
not trying to debate, or state anything, just curious for my own knowledge...
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: biologys]
#14064203 - 03/04/11 12:45 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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They look fine to me.
Its not a race like ksss that gets super fat. Plus its an isolated strain and maybe thats just the way it looks.
Not like there is any room for them to have fat stems anyways is there?
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: Base Icks]
#14064214 - 03/04/11 12:48 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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im not saying its a race, nor putting his tubs down...as i said, im asking for my own personal knowledge...in MY experience, which is in no way a huge amount, those are lanky stems....but as i've said hundreds of times i grow in colder temps, which could be why the look tall and lanky to me...
sorry i was just asking a question, as i said earlier also i'll be trying his method with 2 out of the 4 tubs i'll be spawning to next week as well..
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