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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: deCypher]
    #14066224 - 03/04/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you were to do a brain-scan of me typing this reply, you'd see certain parts of my brain active that wouldn't be active while, say, taking a nap.  Does that mean that this experience of typing is an illusion caused by stimulating that part of my brain?  No.  It means that it's a part of my brain that is used in interacting with the world.  All perception involves certain parts of the brain.  That in itself tells us nothing about the reality of the things perceived.  I tend to agree with the bishop quoted in the article.  If there is a God or some sort of divine reality, wouldn't it make sense that our brains would be equipped to perceive such a reality?


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: deCypher]
    #14066228 - 03/04/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If it really is just a spot in your brain then its both a theists and an atheists wet dream, both can use it to further solidify their already held beliefs, the atheist takes it as evidence that 'its just in your head', usually conveniently forgetting that's its also proven that the 'real world' as you see & experience it is also just in your head. To the theist it solidifies their belief that God exists, paradoxically moving their mind further away from God, on the relative scale their mind may be surrendering more, but holding a firm belief inevitably takes ones mind further into form & so blocked off from recognition of the subtle formlessness that is ones Self.

That's not saying one area of the brain couldn't be better attuned to an infinite presence than other areas. Its just that either way you take it it usually leads to a belief which isn't that useful, but discovering it inside yourself beyond belief... Im just wondering how an experience of total bliss is gonna be marketed by the government if they find the G Spot. :lol:

Truly spirit must exist before & after the brain so the only true confirmation is losing your brain, death, and then seeing if some subtle body experience is possible (experience in a body that has no brain, made of light etc..)


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: Chronic7]
    #14066249 - 03/04/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If it really is just a spot in your brain then its both a theists and an atheists wet dream, both can use it to further solidify their already held beliefs, the atheist takes it as evidence that 'its just in your head', usually conveniently forgetting that's its also proven that the 'real world' as you see & experience it is also just in your head.


What makes you think that atheists usually conveniently forget that?


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: deCypher]
    #14066255 - 03/04/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You've personally verified that there is no brain state associated with Nirvana?  :undecided:




no i'm not saying that, there very well could be for all i know, the body and mind are probably having an ecstatic experience while "you" are in nirvana/emptiness


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: Poid]
    #14066300 - 03/04/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If it really is just a spot in your brain then its both a theists and an atheists wet dream, both can use it to further solidify their already held beliefs, the atheist takes it as evidence that 'its just in your head', usually conveniently forgetting that's its also proven that the 'real world' as you see & experience it is also just in your head.


What makes you think that atheists usually conveniently forget that?




If someone claims to 'be an atheist' then they must have already conveniently forgotten that everything is just in their head :wink:


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: Chronic7]
    #14066330 - 03/04/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...if someone claims to 'be an atheist' then they must have already forgotten that everything is just in their head


Why is that? The term 'atheist' is just a title given to people who fit a certain description; if I claim to be a Mexican, would that mean that I must have already forgotten that "everything is just in my head"?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: Poid]
    #14066336 - 03/04/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So you're personally experiencing Nirvana? :ooo:



I know Dozens of people personally that have gone through Nirvana and the greatest samadhi, and they have awakened 100's more.

Its not BS, Mr. Philosophy.


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: Poid]
    #14066354 - 03/04/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...if someone claims to 'be an atheist' then they must have already forgotten that everything is just in their head


Why is that? The term 'atheist' is just a title given to people who fit a certain description; if I claim to be a Mexican, would that mean that I must have already forgotten that "everything is just in my head"?




Yes, unless its just for the convention of conversation & inwardly in your experience you have no association with the illusion of being mexican, only you can tell


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: Poid]
    #14066358 - 03/04/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...if someone claims to 'be an atheist' then they must have already forgotten that everything is just in their head


Why is that? The term 'atheist' is just a title given to people who fit a certain description; if I claim to be a Mexican, would that mean that I must have already forgotten that "everything is just in my head"?




yes because you're associating your being with a concept, and if you've ever stayed in a state of unassociated being you know that it's only possible when you don't go into the mind. Any title you put onto somebody or yourself imposes limitations, and our true nature has no definite limitations.


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: g00ru]
    #14066380 - 03/04/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Great responses from everyone, guys!  Guruu, I'm a little confused as to what exactly you mean by "our true nature"; would you mind clarifying a bit?


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: deCypher]
    #14066392 - 03/04/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I mean consciousness, the awareness that's there right now, and not thoughts or bodily sensations.  It's just "I am," and i say it's our true nature cause it's what perceives the body and the mind.


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: g00ru]
    #14066424 - 03/04/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what you really are = true nature


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: g00ru]
    #14066425 - 03/04/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Which is cause and which is effect?


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: g00ru]
    #14066430 - 03/04/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So you're personally experiencing Nirvana? :ooo:



I know Dozens of people personally that have gone through Nirvana and the greatest samadhi...


What do you mean by "gone through" Nirvana? Isn't Nirvana a permanent state? As Mr. Middle pointed out, Samadhis and Nirvana are not the same thing; I think Samadhis are probably real, but Nirvana is just a mythical, unattainable state.


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...and they have awakened 100's more.


Sounds like cult shit--what do you mean by this? In what way have they awakened 100's more?



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The Chronic said:
...if someone claims to 'be an atheist' then they must have already forgotten that everything is just in their head


Why is that? The term 'atheist' is just a title given to people who fit a certain description; if I claim to be a Mexican, would that mean that I must have already forgotten that "everything is just in my head"?




Yes, unless its just for the convention of conversation...


What makes you think atheists aren't doing this when they claim to be atheists?


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...& inwardly in your experience you have no association with the illusion of being mexican, only you can tell


How is it an illusion? It's as much an illusion as my brown hair; I'm brown-haired (which is a title, like 'Mexican'), do you think me being brown-haired is an illusion? :wtf:



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The Chronic said:
...if someone claims to 'be an atheist' then they must have already forgotten that everything is just in their head


Why is that? The term 'atheist' is just a title given to people who fit a certain description; if I claim to be a Mexican, would that mean that I must have already forgotten that "everything is just in my head"?




yes because you're associating your being with a concept...


"Being" itself is a concept. :lol:


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...and if you've ever stayed in a state of unassociated being you know that it's only possible when you don't go into the mind.


What do you mean by that?


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guruu said:
Any title you put onto somebody or yourself imposes limitations, and our true nature has no definite limitations.


Titles are basically approximations, and approximations can be either accurate or inaccurate; just because titles you put on yourself "impose limitations" doesn't necessarily mean that the said titles are inaccurate or untrue.

What do you mean by "our true nature has no definite limitations"?


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I mean consciousness, the awareness that's there right now, and not thoughts or bodily sensations.  It's just "I am," and i say it's our true nature cause it's what perceives the body and the mind.


So how does that not have definite limitations?


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: Poid]
    #14066475 - 03/04/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes its cult shit. Ever go to school? Teachers are cult leaders.


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: p4kSouL]
    #14066498 - 03/04/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was refereeing to Samadhi and Nirvana as the same thing, there must be different terms what i mean experience of the infinite Void. People have different ideas what it is make your own.


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: p4kSouL]
    #14066507 - 03/04/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes its cult shit. Ever go to school? Teachers are cult leaders.


Your point being? :lol:


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I was refereeing to Samadhi and Nirvana as the same thing, there must be different terms what i mean experience of the Void. I was assuming Samadhi and Nirvana basically is the same thing, people have different ideas what it is make your own.


Make my own? :hehehe:


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: Poid]
    #14066533 - 03/04/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Point is your trying to say im a cult lover, which is not true ive hung out with Meditation cults they are bad news. There is a difference from people who teach how to reach samadhi and cult leaders who require attention and dogmatic rituals for the rest of your life until you die. And dogmatic cults rarely lead to state of samadhi, more like you will be sucked in for 30 years while you get fed pieces of enlightenment.

You can reach Samadhi in 30-90 days and its a personally liberation, once your enlightened you dont need to participate in dogmatic rituals because you are liberated, healthy, and strong.


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: p4kSouL]
    #14066563 - 03/04/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Point is your trying to say im a cult lover, which is not true ive hung out with Meditation cults they are bad news.


No I'm not, I said that what you're saying sounds like cult shit; a person can talk about cult shit without having to love cults.


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There is a difference from people who teach how to reach samadhi and cult leaders who require attention and dogmatic rituals for the rest of your life until you die. And dogmatic cults rarely lead to state of samadhi, more like you will be sucked in for 30 years while you get fed pieces of enlightenment.

You can reach Samadhi in 30-90 days and its a personally liberation, once your enlightened you dont need to participate in dogmatic rituals because you are liberated, healthy, and strong.


Too bad nobody has ever been "enlightened". :sad:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: The God Spot: implications for the validity of the mystical experience [Re: Poid]
    #14066592 - 03/04/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sure they have, look at enlightenment as reaching point a to point b.


Enlightenment is a mainstream word what a better term to be used it this, "experience more freedom to the maximum extent"


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