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InvisibleAnnapurna1
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dont believe comments on yahoo!...
    #14063860 - 03/03/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

canvassing the comments found on yahoo! news creates the impression that the average american voter is somewhere to the right of atilla the hun...but is that really so??.. or are we just meant to think that ..

http://www.alternet.org/media/150049/corporate-funded_online_%27astroturfing%27_is_more_advanced_and_more_automated_than_you_might_think/

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- companies now use “persona management software”, which multiplies the efforts of the astroturfers working for them, creating the impression that there’s major support for what a corporation or government is trying to do.

- this software creates all the online furniture a real person would possess: a name, email accounts, web pages and social media. In other words, it automatically generates what look like authentic profiles, making it hard to tell the difference between a virtual robot and a real commentator.




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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #14064185 - 03/04/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The only news I believe is FOX NEWS.  They're fair and balanced. And they're the only news left that doesn't hate America.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064845 - 03/04/11 06:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What about Rush?


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14065573 - 03/04/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Screaming Eagle said:
The only news I believe is FOX NEWS.  They're fair and balanced. And they're the only news left that doesn't hate America.



I always laugh when people use fox news slogan to defend them, if you want real news you wont find it in America.  Foxnews, CNN, MSNBC all covered Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton is that really what you want to defend.  News in America is gone we are all about creating feelings not giving facts.

Try listening to the BBC to get real news.


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Edited by ChronicSmoke (03/04/11 10:39 AM)


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Icelander]
    #14065576 - 03/04/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
What about Rush?



Rush is a overweight, pill head that bashes the presidents wife for wanting to make America less Fat and worthless.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14065630 - 03/04/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ChronicSmoke said:
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Screaming Eagle said:
The only news I believe is FOX NEWS.  They're fair and balanced. And they're the only news left that doesn't hate America.



I always laugh when people use fox news slogan to defend them, if you want real news you wont find it in America.




Its more likely that Screaming Eagle is a leftist/liberal that is just trying to make conservatives look bad.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14065664 - 03/04/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ChronicSmoke said:
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Icelander said:
What about Rush?



Rush is a overweight, pill head that bashes the presidents wife for wanting to make America less Fat and worthless.




I'm fully aware of that. :shrug:


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: DieCommie]
    #14065672 - 03/04/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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ChronicSmoke said:
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Screaming Eagle said:
The only news I believe is FOX NEWS.  They're fair and balanced. And they're the only news left that doesn't hate America.



I always laugh when people use fox news slogan to defend them, if you want real news you wont find it in America.




Its more likely that Screaming Eagle is a leftist/liberal that is just trying to make conservatives look bad.





I assume that myself.  While I'm sure there are "patriots" like that out there he's just a little unbelievable. I assume he's one of TGGR's crew.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Icelander]
    #14066050 - 03/04/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

have you all read this:

http://www.monbiot.com/2011/02/23/robot-wars/


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- companies now use “persona management software”, which multiplies the efforts of the astroturfers working for them, creating the impression that there’s major support for what a corporation or government is trying to do.

- this software creates all the online furniture a real person would possess: a name, email accounts, web pages and social media. In other words, it automatically generates what look like authentic profiles, making it hard to tell the difference between a virtual robot and a real commentator.

- fake accounts can be kept updated by automatically re-posting or linking to content generated elsewhere, reinforcing the impression that the account holders are real and active.

- human astroturfers can then be assigned these “pre-aged” accounts to create a back story, suggesting that they’ve been busy linking and re-tweeting for months. No one would suspect that they came onto the scene for the first time a moment ago, for the sole purpose of attacking an article on climate science or arguing against new controls on salt in junk food.

- with some clever use of social media, astroturfers can, in the security firm’s words, “make it appear as if a persona was actually at a conference and introduce himself/herself to key individuals as part of the exercise … There are a variety of social media tricks we can use to add a level of realness to all fictitious personas”





i think this might finally explain the shroomery.....


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14066063 - 03/04/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ChronicSmoke said:
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Screaming Eagle said:
The only news I believe is FOX NEWS.  They're fair and balanced. And they're the only news left that doesn't hate America.



I always laugh when people use fox news slogan to defend them, if you want real news you wont find it in America.  Foxnews, CNN, MSNBC all covered Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton is that really what you want to defend.  News in America is gone we are all about creating feelings not giving facts.

Try listening to the BBC to get real news.




The BBC?  You know they're BRITISH, don't you?


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Taco Chef]
    #14066065 - 03/04/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here's another gem.

The US Government is quite openly employing sock-puppets/"consistent personas".  Ten per agent, thousands of fake online people.  This is from a request for services:

    US Military Wrote:0001- Online Persona Management Service. 50 User Licenses, 10 Personas per user.
    Software will allow 10 personas per user, replete with background , history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographacilly consistent. Individual applications will enable an operator to exercise a number of different online persons from the same workstation and without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries. Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms. The service includes a user friendly application environment to maximize the user's situational awareness by displaying real-time local information.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=list&tab=list&_nfound=1


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: DieCommie]
    #14066081 - 03/04/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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ChronicSmoke said:
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Screaming Eagle said:
The only news I believe is FOX NEWS.  They're fair and balanced. And they're the only news left that doesn't hate America.



I always laugh when people use fox news slogan to defend them, if you want real news you wont find it in America.




Its more likely that Screaming Eagle is a leftist/liberal that is just trying to make conservatives look bad.




Wow!  You caught me!  I'm a commie who came to a website ABOUT DRUGS to make conservatives look bad.  BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE.  Great job.  I'm HUMBLED by your deductive reasoning skills, SHERLOCK.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14066339 - 03/04/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ChronicSmoke said:
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Icelander said:
What about Rush?



Rush is a overweight, pill head that bashes the presidents wife for wanting to make America less Fat and worthless.





so wait... it's wrong that rush bashes a politically active first lady for
wanting to strip away freedom of choice from the american people?


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14066522 - 03/04/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Screaming Eagle said:
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ChronicSmoke said:
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Screaming Eagle said:
The only news I believe is FOX NEWS.  They're fair and balanced. And they're the only news left that doesn't hate America.



I always laugh when people use fox news slogan to defend them, if you want real news you wont find it in America.  Foxnews, CNN, MSNBC all covered Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton is that really what you want to defend.  News in America is gone we are all about creating feelings not giving facts.

Try listening to the BBC to get real news.




The BBC?  You know they're BRITISH, don't you?




Hmm, I do its world news bro.  And here is the great thing they dont get involved in our politics and dont care too so they tell it like it is.  Just because its British doesn't mean they talk about British news its World News Important News mostly involving US.  They are Fair and Balanced so if thats what you want BBC is where you can get it.  They dont get paid by political parties to have specific views.

Rupert Murdoc doesn't hide the fact that Fox News is a conservative network.  There is your problem if your watch Fox your going to have a conservative view and only that.  They wont say anything good about the democrats and only have hate speech for Obama.

Funny thing is when Bush was sending troops to their death, all Fox had to say was "you may not agree with it, but he is our president"

Im not for any party too much time and money is spent electing new idiots to shuffle shit around.



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Edited by ChronicSmoke (03/04/11 02:12 PM)


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14066834 - 03/04/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Screaming Eagle said:
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DieCommie said:
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ChronicSmoke said:
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Screaming Eagle said:
The only news I believe is FOX NEWS.  They're fair and balanced. And they're the only news left that doesn't hate America.



I always laugh when people use fox news slogan to defend them, if you want real news you wont find it in America.




Its more likely that Screaming Eagle is a leftist/liberal that is just trying to make conservatives look bad.




Wow!  You caught me!  I'm a commie who came to a website ABOUT DRUGS to make conservatives look bad.  BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE.  Great job.  I'm HUMBLED by your deductive reasoning skills, SHERLOCK.




This board could use an overtly satirical version of these so called conservatives. Good job... I think anyway, it's hard to tell a lot of the time.


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14067253 - 03/04/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ScavengerType said:

This board could use an overtly satirical version of these so called conservatives. Good job... I think anyway, it's hard to tell a lot of the time.



Sounds like a job for Scavengerman


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14067260 - 03/04/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ever the plaint of the left.  Somebody (else) oughta do it.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: DieCommie]
    #14067540 - 03/04/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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ChronicSmoke said:
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Screaming Eagle said:
The only news I believe is FOX NEWS.  They're fair and balanced. And they're the only news left that doesn't hate America.



I always laugh when people use fox news slogan to defend them, if you want real news you wont find it in America.




Its more likely that Screaming Eagle is a leftist/liberal that is just trying to make conservatives look bad.




Sorta like bringing coals to Newcastle, isn't it?


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: TGRR]
    #14067589 - 03/04/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I dont know what that means.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14067596 - 03/04/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Screaming Eagle said:
The only news I believe is FOX NEWS.  They're fair and balanced. And they're the only news left that doesn't hate America.




What are the media? People, people have opinions, peoples opinions can be bought and twisted. No media is the truth, most stories are half truths and lies, just to make headlines and sell newspapers. Country of origin is neither hear or there, in the Uk sun newspaper is the worst of all. They support gambling, prostitution, drinking, smoking then call for a ban on mephedrone, to 'protect' society. I become violent when I drink alcohol, many people react exactly the same, we have alcoholics, binge drinking and drink driving. In the UK in 2009 there were over 1000 alcohol related deaths, more than 10'000 people hospitalised due to alcohol, where's the call for a ban? They drink (it is their drug), they profit through advertising (funded by the drug).

Unfortunately, corruption is everywhere.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: DieCommie]
    #14067875 - 03/04/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
I dont know what that means.



They mine coal in Newcastle. Why would you ship something TO the place it is a mined?


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Canis latrans]
    #14067989 - 03/04/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:rimshot:


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Canis latrans]
    #14070122 - 03/05/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Canis latrans said:
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DieCommie said:
I dont know what that means.



They mine coal in Newcastle. Why would you ship something TO the place it is a mined?



Which is why it makes no fucking sense at all unless you believe this place has a lot of conservatives.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14070356 - 03/05/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Exactly. They haven't been here long enough to realize that we have only one conservative. He/she just has a lot of puppet accounts.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14070375 - 03/05/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think hippies are just astonished there are any conservatives here at all, and get frustrated/overwhelmed when faced with people that dont believe as they do.  Conservatives are a minority on the shroomery.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: DieCommie]
    #14070418 - 03/05/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i don't think they are a minority here


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Taco Chef]
    #14070632 - 03/05/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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novumorganum said:
i don't think they are a minority here



It's probably about even because I have routed the weaker among them.  They cry and go away.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: DieCommie]
    #14071357 - 03/05/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think the most frustrating thing bout the conservatives on this board is their irrational cries of persecution and their refusal to accept facts presented to them. I don't think it's the fact that they believe differently, that's only a mild irritation in comparison.


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14071359 - 03/05/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ScavengerType said:
I think the most frustrating thing bout the conservatives on this board is their irrational cries of persecution and their refusal to accept facts presented to them. I don't think it's the fact that they believe differently, that's only a mild irritation in comparison.




This one cracked me up beyond his usual.  He has had me on ignore for years, the little ostrich.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: ScavengerType] * 1
    #14071364 - 03/05/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Everyone believes they're being perfectly rational.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Icelander]
    #14071385 - 03/05/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes but many people also believe in invisible men in the sky who are watching and judging their every move against an archaic set of standards written in some mediocre ancient book.


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14071399 - 03/05/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's right. :shrug:


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14072759 - 03/05/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Canis latrans said:
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DieCommie said:
I dont know what that means.



They mine coal in Newcastle. Why would you ship something TO the place it is a mined?



Which is why it makes no fucking sense at all unless you believe this place has a lot of conservatives.




I like you, Zappa.  You speak a lot of the truth.  But on this point, I think you're mistaken.

You see, some stupid commie bastard said I was secretly a commie ACTING conservative TO MAKE CONSERVATIVES LOOK BAD.  Because, you know, it's a CRIME in THIS country to NOT be a spineless coward.  But his assumption was stupid as hell because THIS BOARD is full of HIPPIES.  So it makes NO SENSE to try to convince the board that conservatives are evil BECAUSE THE BOARD'S ALREADY FULL OF COMMIES WHO BELIEVE THAT.  It'd be like going to a Klan meeting to try to convince the Klansmen that black people are bad.  Or, as someone pointed out, it'd be like shipping coal to a place already OVERFLOWING with coal.

Don't fall in with these Obama-loving commies, Zappa.  You're BETTER than them.


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    #14072822 - 03/05/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i don't think they are a minority here




What is "here"?

Of the active posters on the politics forum, I figure they're about equal.  Of the active posters on the entire board, I assume the leftists are a majority.

I believe what zappa said on the subject previously is quite right:  the conservatives are generally those that are able to stick around and logically defend their positions.  Many of the leftists poster pop in and then take off when they are criticized, and are unable to defend their views.  There's only a few leftist posters that will actually defend their posts, mostly the long term posters.

Kinda similar to the "skeptic" vs "believer" quotient on the board.  While there are more "skeptic" (scientifically minded) people who post in the philosophy forum, I don't think that's a fair representation of the actual views of the population here.  The "believers" seem to simply be unable to defend their views, and so stop posting or relgate themselves to short snippy attacks of fallacious quips. (see: Conspiracy forum, with few exceptions), i.e. apparently by 2012 and 2013 the US governmetn will be unable to pay its debts and will be bankrupt :flowstone:  Despite this pretty amazing claim, the guy who makes it can't provide anything backing up his belief, and just yammers on about this nonsense.  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14006887#14006887


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    #14072982 - 03/05/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I think the most frustrating thing bout the conservatives on this board is their irrational cries of persecution and their refusal to accept facts presented to them. I don't think it's the fact that they believe differently, that's only a mild irritation in comparison.




This one cracked me up beyond his usual.  He has had me on ignore for years, the little ostrich.




Yeah, I caught that one too.  :crazy:

Both of the extremes (left and right) tend to pretend that they are rational, but are persecuted by the irrational, which is basically anybody that disagrees with the mangled world view.  From the cheap seat, in the political discussion forum, it seems to me that we have a pretty even balance between left and right.  The big difference are the extremes; we have far more extreme lefties than extreme righties.  Of course, I might be biased, as I am apparently a disingenuous, corporate shill, fascist, liar.


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    #14073029 - 03/05/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

And then there's Icelander. :satansmoking:


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And then there's Icelander. :satansmoking:




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:mypleasure:  :hi:


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    #14079455 - 03/07/11 02:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Johnm, I think that's unfair. Look at the ridiculous shit that so called conservatives here spout. How often do they cite arguements or claims, vs asking others to prove their point? It seems the commonality among most of the conservatives here is that they have a lot more time on their hands to make asinine arguements here most likely cause half of them are retired.

I've often not been able to keep a post active because I suddenly have to work like crazy for a week or two.


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    #14079487 - 03/07/11 02:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Possibly, maybe my recollection is tinted by my views.


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    #14079736 - 03/07/11 06:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

As neither a conservative or a liberal  the bullshit reeks from both sides fairly equally imo.

I see almost noone with an open mind to any great degree. That's the nature of religion and politics.

And I see plenty of it in myself also. It seems to be human nature.

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As neither a conservative or a liberal  the bullshit reeks from both sides fairly equally imo.

I see almost noone with an open mind to any great degree. That's the nature of religion and politics.

And I see plenty of it in myself also. It seems to be human nature.

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Completely agree. This is the big problem, what is the distinction between right and wrong, and who gets to make that choice. One mans heaven is another mans hell.

Too many people choose a side and are not prepared to accept other peoples choices or opinions. They are not prepared to listen, they fail to make a compromise, then whine and moan when people disobey, ignore or question them.

If we all lived the same life, we would have the same opinions, but because of our own individuality, personality, the people who we grew up with, the actions we take in our lives, all of our opinions are sporadic, also because of our human nature, we from time to time change our opinions. So what we felt was 'wrong' 10years ago, may not be the same as we feel today.


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    #14098283 - 03/10/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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canvassing the comments found on yahoo! news creates the impression that the average american voter is somewhere to the right of atilla the hun...but is that really so??.. or are we just meant to think that ..

http://www.alternet.org/media/150049/corporate-funded_online_%27astroturfing%27_is_more_advanced_and_more_automated_than_you_might_think/

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- companies now use “persona management software”, which multiplies the efforts of the astroturfers working for them, creating the impression that there’s major support for what a corporation or government is trying to do.

- this software creates all the online furniture a real person would possess: a name, email accounts, web pages and social media. In other words, it automatically generates what look like authentic profiles, making it hard to tell the difference between a virtual robot and a real commentator.










Well, it should be obvious to anyone possessing more than two functional braincells that neoconservatives have been attempting to hijack the liberty/teaparty movement.

What I find peculiar with you my friend is your apparent inability to distinguish between the fundamental differences between the neo-cons and the old school  liberals (liberal meaning "one who loves liberty" being the older way of defining said term).  Democrats and false conservatives both support the welfare/warfare state and the international banking cartel.

Long story short, the democrats have more in common with the neocons than the tea party...


Methinks that you may have a problem with freely operating markets because you mistakenly confuse the causation of the present economic nosedive to be attributed to nebulous factors such as "greed" or "human nature" instead of recognizing that our economic woes are caused by central planners.......

"Astroturf" is phraseology utilized by ill-meaning and morally bankrupt people  Nancy Pelosi, it thus lacks any real credibility.

Your continued insinuation that teaparty = racism is ignorant beyond belief.  It is nothing more than a blatant corporate media attempt to marginalize a growing number of righteously angry Americans.


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    #14098298 - 03/10/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

NPR, corporate media whores that they are, is solidly on the case.


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    #14098352 - 03/10/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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NPR, corporate media whores that they are, is solidly on the case.






Something to contemplate zap:

If the dollar continues to deteriorate will the U.S. remain capable of being the "world's Policeman"?

What does this mean for Israel?

Still support the banking cartel?


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    #14098391 - 03/10/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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NPR, corporate media whores that they are, is solidly on the case.






Something to contemplate zap:

If the dollar continues to deteriorate will the U.S. remain capable of being the "world's Policeman"?




Still haven't seen that plummet you keep babbling about, Al.  I'm hoping that deposing the current idiot in the White house will right any problematic relation to other currencies.  Did you know that a slightly weaker dollar means a better competitive position for American business?
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What does this mean for Israel?




Nothing.
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    #14098481 - 03/10/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"Denial": it's not just a river in Egypt zap. 

The manufacturing base in the U.S. has been rapidly disintegrating.

Did you also know that a stronger dollar would increase the flow of capital goods into the U.S.

If there is no productive capability the Americans will soon not even be able to afford shitty goods from China @ Wally World.

If the American people can barely put food on their table and gas in their tank do you honestly believe, even with a hefty dose of sociological manipulation, that they will continue to support Israel militarily?

Playing dumb about the banking cartel is something you should consider beneath yourself.

You should maintain some standards zap.  Plausible deniability wears thin these days.


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    #14098499 - 03/10/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've heard this ignorant bullshit for over 30 years, Al.  It's all crap.  The banks have not one thing to do with any decline.  They aren't the ones who put 35% of the population on the dole.  It was the legislators continuing the idiotic enabling of losers begun in earnest by FDR.  You're tilting at the wrong windmill.


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    #14098532 - 03/10/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I've heard this ignorant bullshit for over 30 years, Al.  It's all crap.  The banks have not one thing to do with any decline.  They aren't the ones who put 35% of the population on the dole.  It was the legislators continuing the idiotic enabling of losers begun in earnest by FDR.  You're tilting at the wrong windmill.





You don't like welfare because it bites into the warfare budget. 

The social welfare that you rail against was made possible by the central bankers.

If it was funded by taxation by itself the ponzi scheme would have been evident some time ago.

So perhaps the difference between you and Anna is that she supports socialist welfare for the non-productive and you support socialist welfare for the producers of death and destruction (Lockheed Martin, Halliburton,the Pentagon, et cetera...)

Some company you keep...


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    #14098581 - 03/10/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I've heard this ignorant bullshit for over 30 years, Al.  It's all crap.  The banks have not one thing to do with any decline.  They aren't the ones who put 35% of the population on the dole.  It was the legislators continuing the idiotic enabling of losers begun in earnest by FDR.  You're tilting at the wrong windmill.





You don't like welfare because it bites into the warfare budget. 

The social welfare that you rail against was made possible by the central bankers.

If it was funded by taxation by itself the ponzi scheme would have been evident some time ago.



Jesus, Al you just keep getting crazier and crazier.  The fucking bankers had nothing to do with creating the welfare state.  They could have done it with wampum.  Just stop.  As far as the defense budget goes, if you cut that and achieve the even vaster wealth that you foresee when the bankers are gone who is going to let you keep it?  Word to Ron Paul, there are other countries in the world and it gets smaller every year.  Some of them are powerful and without restraint.  How's your Mandarin?

The soc sec Ponzi scheme has been clear since the beginning, Al.


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    #14098638 - 03/10/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If the money supply was stable it the government would have soon run out of the means to continue it's welfare programs.

Who would buy Treasuries if it was evident that the "dollars" that would be utilized to pay them back do not and will not exist?

Attempting to marginalize a logical argument by calling it "crazy" is weak sauce zap.

You have to do better than that.

The point about the Soc.Sec/Medicare ponzi is that it would not have reached the degree that it has without an inflationary monetary policy.  It would have been financed through straight taxation rather than the insidious "inflation tax". 

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    #14099907 - 03/10/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If the money supply was stable it the government would have soon run out of the means to continue it's welfare programs.




Clearly false, Al.  And the money supply has been very stable.
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Who would buy Treasuries if it was evident that the "dollars" that would be utilized to pay them back do not and will not exist?



I dunno.  I don't buy them.  BUt I have no problem with anybody else buying them.
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Attempting to marginalize a logical argument by calling it "crazy" is weak sauce zap.

You have to do better than that.

The point about the Soc.Sec/Medicare ponzi is that it would not have reached the degree that it has without an inflationary monetary policy.  It would have been financed through straight taxation rather than the insidious "inflation tax".




Facts not remotely in evidence, Al.  How about the giant fraud they pull by making people think that they are only paying half?  Or that most people think Soc Sec is an investment fund?  Banks aint causing it, Al.  Legislators are.  Tilt at the right fucking windmill for a change.
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Do you think China has Israel's back?




I don't care but this kinda helps reinforce my opinion that you, Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell hate banks because you think they are run by a Jew genius cabal.


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    #14102671 - 03/11/11 06:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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As neither a conservative or a liberal  the bullshit reeks from both sides fairly equally imo.





It is the socioculture of all 3 centrist/establishment parties that inevitably leads to such a thing. they are both hypocrites and agree that politics is full of liars. keith olbermann and Glenn beck says politics is about lies.

The truth is that politics is about lies but at the same time it is not . if your opponent lie you have no choice but to follow suit, this means that both side can destroy democracy which is truth and debate, as opposed to the dark ages without a public life, a public debate and only religious obscurantism.

sometime just saying what others are not saying is not lieing, you simply are pointing out information nobody is pointing like for example
the cooperation of Pseudo-leftists with hitler like Francois Mitterand, who got his job for the same reason frédéric Mitterand got the job as a minister of communication and culture, that is little boys and the money. gold chains and bitches ?!!?$! no difference anyway, the type of asshole was the real problem. His personality is promoted. it doesn't matter what type of flaws the man has,

The real problem is that american culture in quebec,france,europe, everywhere weaker economically ends up destroying our soul and deeply corrupting the political and media culture. France has an history of tolerance to the phenomenon evidenced by sartre and their age of consent being 15, this show that they tolerate such relationships in average more than for example americans who set it to 18. The capitalist mentality of americans, which is one of being a millionaire at 26, and the mentality that we need to maintain such a society where it is possible or where really smart 26 years old are very rich. Especially that we must maintain it at whatever price imaginable since this is after all, only politics. make this economist class or race act selfishly in ideological defense of itself. they know that they will lose their job if we go back to the gold standard so they fight to death so that it doesn't happen. same thing with reefer madness and every other bullshit in history. it was even worse for the jews and israel but that's what real politics was about, the real change that you wouldn't do or talk about because it hurts people. not because it might offend or hurt people, but because it will ruin's somebody'S ripoff or legitimate business, in which case politics is to defend him.


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    #14103005 - 03/11/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Reply to FAIL.  That was a quote from Icelander.  I am most certainly conservative


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    #14103034 - 03/11/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You would never say something like that. :lol:


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    #14103079 - 03/11/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

oh, was replying to something 4 days ago.

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I don't care but this kinda helps reinforce my opinion that you, Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell hate banks because you think they are run by a Jew genius cabal.




:grin:

so you blame legislator and we blame banks. but who is responsible for the irresponsibility of the legislator? how do we go from there? my point is that we must destroy establishment, the republican party and the democrat, and it must happen everywhere in europe/america at about the same time. the same way as the muslims.


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    #14103399 - 03/11/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Who is responsible for the legislature?  The voters, particularly the jackass voters who are constantly electing the politician who promises the most chickens for their pot.


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    #14105354 - 03/11/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Many of the central bankers are jewish.  That does not make it racist to point out that central banking is immoral and is responsible for the deteriorating buying power of the dollar.

Murray N. Rothbard was a legendary jewish libertarian and free market economist.

Playing the race card is substandard work zap.

Social security is paying out more than it is taking in.

Of course the debt is being monetized.

What is Quantitative Easing zap?


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    #14108194 - 03/12/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Would this be a correct definition?

"Conservatives believe that individuals are responsible for themselves, and that the community benefits from the efforts of the individuals acting in their interests. Thus less governmental programs, less taxes, and less government is the goal.
Pro-life
Equality takes a back seat
Patriarchal
Believe there is reverse racism in affirmative action
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No social help
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Free Market"


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    #14108654 - 03/12/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Many of the more divisive issues which are utilized by mainstream media to polarize the public would be solved by allowing states to run themselves.  Anti abortion folk can live in states where it is not allowed.  Those who wish to favor abortion can live in states where it is legal.

I don't know what you mean about being against "equality", I guess it depends on how you define it exactly.  I feel that an individual is not entitled for something he didn't work for.  Maybe that's an old fashioned idea but it seems to work while the alternative clearly does not.

I think a man should be hired for a job based on his qualifications, which has not a damn thing to do with his skin color.  I guess that means I'm not racist.  Affirmative action is an excellent example of racism.

I'm not completely against the death penalty.  I think it is overused and should be reserved for special people like certain treasonous politicians.  Nothing else ever really got through to those folks historically speaking.

Here's another old fashioned idea that makes sense; when the money buys more ever single year life is good and the women complain a lot less.


That last one may not be "politically correct" but it is the most honest and accurate statement you've probably heard in quite some time.

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    #14108794 - 03/12/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Many of the more divisive issues which are utilized by mainstream media to polarize the public would be solved by allowing states to run themselves.  Anti abortion folk can live in states where it is not allowed.  Those who wish to favor abortion can live in states where it is legal.




I agree.  I htought Roe v Wade was a brilliant piece of legislation and a terrible piece of judicial intervention.
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I don't know what you mean about being against "equality", I guess it depends on how you define it exactly.  I feel that an individual is not entitled for something he didn't work for.  Maybe that's an old fashioned idea but it seems to work while the alternative clearly does not.




Many people get confused about equality of opportunity under the law and equality of economic result.  There never will be nor should there be an equality of result imposed by government. 
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I think a man should be hired for a job based on his qualifications, which has not a damn thing to do with his skin color.  I guess that means I'm not racist.  Affirmative action is an excellent example of racism.




Indeed.  There is no such thing as "reverse" racism.  The whole concept of "reverse" racism is itself racist.
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I'm not completely against the death penalty.  I think it is overused and should be reserved for special people like certain treasonous politicians.  Nothing else ever really got through to those folks historically speaking.




Bullshit.
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Here's another old fashioned idea that makes sense; when the money buys more ever single year life is good and the women complain a lot less.




Sounds good.  Make more money and get happier wenches.  NOPE!
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That last one may not be "politically correct" but it is the most honest and accurate statement you've probably heard in quite some time.




Nope.  They never get enough.  That is the truest statement you will ever hear.
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Free markets, including the money, F.T.W.



Feel free to use any currency you want Al.  There are dozens and dozens of them.  And rocks, too.  Have fun.  I don't want to and I don't have to.:bluemoon:


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14110364 - 03/12/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Who is responsible for the legislature?  The voters, particularly the jackass voters who are constantly electing the politician who promises the most chickens for their pot.




I tried to restrain myself but I couldn't let this one slip by.  In our household, we raise our own chickens.  Right now the incubator is full of eggs due to hatch on the 16th and 2 of our banty hens are sitting on eggs. :tongue2:


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14110475 - 03/12/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Probably one of Zapps best quotes.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Icelander]
    #14119296 - 03/14/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Gerald Celente recently said; "The digital money is not worth the paper that it isn't even printed on."

Government statistics is the Orwellian "new math" zap.

You don't believe that the bogus C.P.I. is accurate do you?!?

Do you think that it might be characterized as misrepresenting the truth when government utilizes fuzzy accounting like "hedonic quality adjustments" to cook the books on their inflation calculations???


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