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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14062250 - 03/03/11 07:11 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Dude the 60s is not responsible for any of that. It was just a bunch of dirty children with easy access to LSD who would later grow up, realize they needed jobs, and become yuppies that care more about owning SUVs and a nice home than doing drugs.

For example your first point should be accredited almost entirely to the internet and has very little to do with the 60s.


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: F0SS1L]
    #14062266 - 03/03/11 07:14 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

:lolsy:

But man what about all the heady vibes they sent out?

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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: F0SS1L] * 1
    #14062282 - 03/03/11 07:17 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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F0SS1L said:
Dude the 60s is not responsible for any of that. It was just a bunch of dirty children with easy access to LSD who would later grow up, realize they needed jobs, and become yuppies that care more about owning SUVs and a nice home than doing drugs.

For example your first point should be accredited almost entirely to the internet and has very little to do with the 60s.



:facepalm: are you seriously trying to tell me that a website dedicated to psychedelic drugs has no link to what went on in the 60's? If it weren't for the cultural revolution of the 60's, nobody would even know what all this stuff was. (well, maybe scientists would, but the consciousness expanding properties may well have gone unexplored by the masses).

I firmly believe as well, like I said above, that the eastern philosophies that have taken root in western culture may never have if not for the open minded experimental times of the 60's. Now they are seen everywhere.

Sure, maybe you don't like hippies, and don't identify in any way with the cultural revolution of the 60's, but you must be blinding yourself with your aversion to not see these things.

Yes, there were a lot of stupid childish morons involved in the 60's, but there were also people of great genious- Leary, Alpert (AKA Ram Das), Huxley, Ginsberg, etc, who greatly influenced both psychedelic AND pop culture for ever.

There are many folks who indulged in that era who didn't become "yuppies" driving SUV's etc. These are the dumb masses who were along for the ride. There are many people who were involved in that era who went on to great things. Many become professors, psychologists, started co op businesses, spearheaded recycling efforts, environmental groups etc. To say they were all stupid dirty children on cheap LSD is a really dumb thing to say.


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: F0SS1L]
    #14062286 - 03/03/11 07:18 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

In fact the internet was first developed because the US government wanted a strong and decentralized network in case of WAR and NUCLEAR ATTACK - it may be a bit of a stretch of logic but if the hippies had their way it might not exist :lol:


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14062384 - 03/03/11 07:33 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I'm not saying the 60s didn't have a cultural impact, obviously they did. But were talking about REVOLUTION. The discovery of LSD was not a revolution. Other psychedelics have been in use for hundreds to thousands of years. Eastern philosophies have been exploited and misunderstood in lots of different ways. And besides I don't think I can credit thousands of years of history to one decade simply because our side of the globe was not widely exposed to it.

Again I think the internet (just as an example) is far more of a revolution than most of the 60s. It's made information on any subject of interest widely available to those who desire it. It's the reason for almost all of my drug knowledge. It's the reason niche communities like this exist- not because we were all inspired by the 60s.

I'm not doubting that the 60s had a cultural impact. But a revolution it was not.


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: Rocker232]
    #14062402 - 03/03/11 07:36 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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Well I also think a lot of that has to do with dosage. A lot of hits back then were supposedly around 250mics whereas the average does now is 100 or under.

Need some of the Orange Sunshine :heart:




Yea last I saw in like 2005 the average dose was like 50 mics. I think the average dose has gone up a bit in the past few years though.

However, I remember seeing some old newspaper thing with the potency results from all these old popular acid tabs and while the average came out to be like 100 or somethin in the 70s, in the late 60s it was like 300ug on average. Some tabs were even like 1mg and the more popular ones were like 5-600 mics. Imagine gettin the equicvlent of like a 5 or tenstrip for your first time?

I was readin these stories from all these old hippies and shit and they were sayin that back then most of em didn't even know what acid was and they would say the coolest shit like:

"My friend came over to my house with four geltabs. He said to take half of one. I thought "No way can these little squares get me high" so I took all four. And that's where it all began". So if he was told to take half of one to trip then lets say that each of those geltabs had like 200 mics. Imagine gettin fed like 8 hits of strong WoW your first time?

I also saw in some other thread this older dude said "Back in the 70s we got this shit called windowpane. One of em had you on the ride of your life for 16 hours, I bet if anyone took two they'd have gone insane. I never tripped again after that"
Crazy shit.


BTW I dont think we are going through a revolution similar to the 60s.


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: F0SS1L]
    #14062407 - 03/03/11 07:37 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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F0SS1L said:
I'm not saying the 60s didn't have a cultural impact, obviously they did. But were talking about REVOLUTION. The discovery of LSD was not a revolution. Other psychedelics have been in use for hundreds to thousands of years. Eastern philosophies have been exploited and misunderstood in lots of different ways. And besides I don't think I can credit thousands of years of history to one decade simply because our side of the globe was not widely exposed to it.

Again I think the internet (just as an example) is far more of a revolution than most of the 60s. It's made information on any subject of interest widely available to those who desire it. It's the reason for almost all of my drug knowledge. It's the reason niche communities like this exist- not because we were all inspired by the 60s.

I'm not doubting that the 60s had a cultural impact. But a revolution it was not.



Oh, I see. You must have misunderstood the point I was getting at in my first post. I wasn't trying to compare cultural revolutions. I think they are equally relevant in their own right (not just the 60's and now, but also the Renaissance, etc.) I was just pointing out that the 60's did transform our society to a great deal. I hope our current revolution takes it much further. I don't know about all the airy fairy astrology stuff, but it was said that the 60's was the DAWNING of a new age. I think that sun has yet to reach high noon, but may be on it's way.


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14062563 - 03/03/11 08:00 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

the "60s" brought about real change and we are living in a society that has benefited immensely from the cultural revolution of the 60's. i'm not saying it was all positive, but many positive things did come about as a result of the perspective shifts that happened throughout the 60's.

who knows what the times we are living in now will change in the future, but it's just as exciting a time to be alive as it was 50 years ago.

hell, if you're paying any attention to the revelations being brought about through science and technology you should be practically nutting in your pants! spirituality and science are no longer opposing views. we are maturing as a people and it's a beautiful thing to behold.


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: clown133]
    #14062636 - 03/03/11 08:13 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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does anyone else think the current generation of 16-24 year olds is going through a revolution simlar to the 60's?




Definitely not, the 60s was a creative, philisophical, spiritual, and ethical - evolutionary leap.

I'm just glad to even see people walking down the streets from time to time, everyones so plugged into their tvs these days its like living in a giant ghost town. When I was growing up everyone was always outside, everywhere. This generations too spoiled, uneducated and brainwashed to start a movement like we had 50 years ago.
As long as tv and hip hop are around I expect only further degredation.

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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: ahchela]
    #14062868 - 03/03/11 08:44 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I agree man, it's getting even worse. Lots of people will recognize TV as "the idiot box", but even those people are glued to their cell phones. I can't handle this shit. You can barely even have a conversation with a person anymore because they're all so distracted by irrelevant bullshit.

@nicechrisman It's all good. Lots of cool culture came out of the 60s. I've just been poking fun at the idea that it was a revolution in a grander political sense.


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: ahchela]
    #14063034 - 03/03/11 09:04 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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ahchela said:
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does anyone else think the current generation of 16-24 year olds is going through a revolution simlar to the 60's?




As long as tv and hip hop are around I expect only further degredation.

Feel free to flame
:pipesmoke:





:awenuhuh:


Mainstream gangster rap yeah, but hip hop in general....no. There are a lot of underground rappers that rap about the current reality we live in and not the usual gangster and paper chasing bullshit you hear in the mainstream.

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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14063316 - 03/03/11 09:53 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

haha this is so awesome. so does anyone think something will happen at or around 2012 in specific that will be a major turning point? seems likely to me..

maybe not anything in specific necessarily, but maybe great change will just really start picking up around that time..


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: owls]
    #14063327 - 03/03/11 09:55 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I think if enough people are convinced something will happen in 2012, then they may actually make something happen.


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: owls]
    #14063366 - 03/03/11 10:00 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

i really am not sure but the fact that several different cultures/peoples from many many years ago and some today mention 2012 as a new era or another time or just that they mention it at all out of any other year is pretty fascinating.

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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: mirrorsnfuturestuf]
    #14063390 - 03/03/11 10:04 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

most definitely.. for some reason, in the back of my mind, i've felt it very necessary to make some serious lifestyle changes lately.. and oftentimes the thought of the year 2012 comes to mind..


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: mirrorsnfuturestuf]
    #14063480 - 03/03/11 10:20 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

The only culture to have 'predicted' something is the mayans - which they didn't really predict anything and they also believe that the earth was created in 3130 something BC... they have no credibility in my mind :lol:

They thought that sacrificing children would bring them favor with the gods and you believe what they vaguely wrote 1000+ years ago?  :smirk:


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14063507 - 03/03/11 10:24 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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spirituality and science are no longer opposing views.




This!


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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: F0SS1L]
    #14063626 - 03/03/11 10:42 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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Dude the 60s is not responsible for any of that. It was just a bunch of dirty children with easy access to LSD who would later grow up, realize they needed jobs, and become yuppies that care more about owning SUVs and a nice home than doing drugs.

For example your first point should be accredited almost entirely to the internet and has very little to do with the 60s.




You're right the hippies did grow up and get jobs... they became professors, lawyers, politicians, and entrepreneurs.

some of them were even involved in getting the internet started.:bubbles:

they're middle aged now, they are the ones in power the people they were rebelling against are sitting in nursing homes and collecting social security.

their revolution continues
fight the system from within

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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #14063674 - 03/03/11 10:49 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Yup, there revolution is going real well I tell you what :hank:

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Re: 60's-style revolution? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14063839 - 03/03/11 11:24 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

We live in an instant world :strokebeard:

The revolution of information, perhaps.


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