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"Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate
#14062631 - 03/03/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so i went to temple tonight, had a good meditation on emptiness and during the break talked to one of the frequent goers there. he asked me what book im currently reading, i told him Zig Zag Zen a book about buddhism and psychedelics. i told him how its mostly about the comparison of contemplatives and instant spiritual experiences. he responded to me that "once you open the door, its hard to repair". i instantly thought, "am i doing something wrong?". he told me his been down the same path as me and that the lesson or perceptions you take in from psychedelics arent true and are hard to be repaired. now this coming from a guy that looks like Kevin from the Office and has a child to take care of.
so now i feel a bit alienated and feel as though my path isnt right. the fact that i take mushrooms about once a month and acid 'occasionally' (shows/gatherings) and that through my meditations my trips have been much more pleasuring and fluid unlike in the past. my trips now adays are VERY extroverted and elastic to many ideas. i was the only one at the ocala gathering to sleep(the others had a hard time) fridaynight after dosing 3 hits at sundown, of all my friends who dosed that night. i also have learned to be more giving with psychedelics and usually dont charge people. But most importantly my trips now adays are focused on the HERE and NOW, i am not or i like to think that im not going the acid DMT or mushrooms as a means for spiritual enlightenment.
if i learn a lesson on psychedelics i look back on it after the trip to fully take it to heart. im naturally introverted (am definitely working on it) but when im on mushrooms im sooooo open, warm, energetic and just dont care about the past or future.
is it wrong of me doing this? do you think my path is mixed? or maybe the simple fact of questioning what im doing may show me that i need a break from or get rid of my psychedelics?
shed some light on me shroomery, i wouldnt post this unless i truly felt the need to. mushrooms have always been a great teacher to me, and i honestly dont think i would be as wise without them.
-------------------- "I'm guessing the 'ancient lost drug' of india is psychedelic mushrooms. The correlation between sacred cows (in hinduism) and magic mushrooms growing on cow dung is too strong to ignore, if you ask me."
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Muufokfok]
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it's been a while since i've done psychedelics, and as i start to delve deeper into spirituality i'm starting to look back on them as a rather dangerous path (spiritually)
of course it's really up to you, and i'm sure everyone's experiences with them are different, but meditation etc feels very very 'right' to me, whereas psychedelics seem kinda uncertain and dangerous (particularly with the subtle energy system etc, which i'm not too knowledgable on)
that said, i always had good trips and seemed to learn things from them, but i didn't progress spiritually at all like i am now through my buddhist practice - they were valuable in opening me up to spirituality in the first place though, but now i'd much rather meditate personally
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Muufokfok]
#14062915 - 03/03/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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In my opinion... You've got to take what that guy said with a grain of salt. Everyone's path is different. You said it yourself... "Mushrooms have always been a great teacher to me, and i honestly dont think i would be as wise without them." You're familiar with meditation, you should have a connection with that inner voice. Do what's right for you. If you feel a break is what's best, by all means, take a break... However long it may be. But for your own sake, and for the sake of respecting nature... Don't completely discard psychedelics because some guy in a totally different situation than you said you should. That would be quite ridiculous, don't you think? It's probably a good thing that you're pondering this though. Reminding yourself that you are not just some drug user enthralled with the psychedelic realm, but a spiritual being who enjoys, respects and values the experiences given to you through that realm.  Whatever your decision may be.. Happy trails, friend.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: deff]
#14062967 - 03/03/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I like to think of it this way.
If it's a 'problem' to give up psychedelics/drugs, or you feel that you can't get on without them, then that is a sure sign that you should probably find out what's really going on inside you.
I agree with deff most of his points. Psychs can start a seeker off on a slippery slope by romanticizing all types of fantastical notions about reality which can be totally deluded.
If psychs have made you a good person, and have enriched your life, you should be able to get by without them. If your still find yourself needing crutches such as these, then my feeling is that if you are earnest about wanting to find yourself, you would necessarily have to give up the psychs if you are true about it.
But if you're already 'home' and you can be absolutely indifferent with mushrooms then I'd say do your thang whatever it is. My bet is that if you were free someone could snatch your shrooms, you might never do them again, and not give a shit!
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: deff]
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thank you so much, and i realize everyones path is quite different. i will take heed to this message, but so far i feel no need to 'stop' what i am doing, maybe just a slight slow down. maybe im just getting some inner angst out, but i still have alot of psychedellies and still plan on doing more until i NATURALLY grow tired of it. my town is crazy and modern reality is even more ridiculous to me. no one respects nature or even the nature of things as much as i wish them to. and i feel like mushrooms can help change their minds 
oh yea im still only 21, so i still have lots of energy but am focusing on wisdom and compassion alot more than i used to. im definitely not going through ultra sober, ill tell you that much.
their is no rider and horse, only the higher self
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Muufokfok]
#14062976 - 03/03/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the mistake is in believing that this guy is privy to some special knowledge about what is good or right for you.
I know a lot of Buddhists and a lot of trippers and you know what. Same same, the difference is in the individual and the most advanced person I know (imo) is not buddhist.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: poeticphoto]
#14062993 - 03/03/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I also can relate to what deff said... It seems psychedelics often serve as an eye opener. Once that third eye is pryed open, no need to keep prying... Unless you want to. I have lost the initial excitement psychedelics used to hold for me, but I still enjoy them immensely. Meditation is like a natural way for me to tap into those wisdoms and truths. They're there if you seek them. I guess there's a point you can reach where you no longer really need a catalyst. If there is such a thing, perhaps that is the crossroads at which you stand now.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Ginseng1]
#14063022 - 03/03/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said: I like to think of it this way.
If it's a 'problem' to give up psychedelics/drugs, or you feel that you can't get on without them, then that is a sure sign that you should probably find out what's really going on inside you.
I agree with deff most of his points. Psychs can start a seeker off on a slippery slope by romanticizing all types of fantastical notions about reality which can be totally deluded.
If psychs have made you a good person, and have enriched your life, you should be able to get by without them. If your still find yourself needing crutches such as these, then my feeling is that if you are earnest about wanting to find yourself, you would necessarily have to give up the psychs if you are true about it.
But if you're already 'home' and you can be absolutely indifferent with mushrooms then I'd say do your thang whatever it is. My bet is that if you were free someone could snatch your shrooms, you might never do them again, and not give a shit!
maybe you could reword that last sentence, but yea i get what youre saying. for the most part i dealt with alot of depression through my life which involved neediness, attachment, instability, and lack of confidence. Now i feel more home than i ever have before, i rarely cry like before, and am much more confident in myself(since i started meditating/buddhism in october). maybe mushrooms are a crutch, i cannot doubt that claim, but i like mushrooms and i feel like it keeps me intact with nature and the way of things. I also do them because it makes things more fun.
is fun a bad thing?
i also didnt really mention i meditate about 3-5 times a week, temple 2-3 times a week. sometimes simple sound meditations here and there. ive been told i dont have an addictive personality, seeing as i had the choice given to smoke dmt for a week(it was in my pocket) but i waited for a week or 2 to finally try it and let it come to me.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Muufokfok]
#14063086 - 03/03/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with fun so long as you don't suffer it.
Find your middle way!
I suppose that if you simply be natural and do what feels right for you and isn't fuelling grandiose ideas about who you are, but rather bringing silence and peace into your being and burning away of conceptual entanglements, then do your thang!
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Ginseng1]
#14063097 - 03/03/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ah thank you so much for the clarity guys, his words were quite bothering to me. ill always improve my middle ground
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Muufokfok]
#14063210 - 03/03/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im kinda drunk right now so dont take my opinion seriously at all, but dont listen to the guy listen to your heart.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Muufokfok]
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BoxyBrown said: so i went to temple tonight, had a good meditation on emptiness and during the break talked to one of the frequent goers there. he asked me what book im currently reading, i told him Zig Zag Zen a book about buddhism and psychedelics. i told him how its mostly about the comparison of contemplatives and instant spiritual experiences. he responded to me that "once you open the door, its hard to repair". i instantly thought, "am i doing something wrong?". he told me his been down the same path as me and that the lesson or perceptions you take in from psychedelics arent true and are hard to be repaired. now this coming from a guy that looks like Kevin from the Office and has a child to take care of.
so now i feel a bit alienated and feel as though my path isnt right. the fact that i take mushrooms about once a month and acid 'occasionally' (shows/gatherings) and that through my meditations my trips have been much more pleasuring and fluid unlike in the past. my trips now adays are VERY extroverted and elastic to many ideas. i was the only one at the ocala gathering to sleep(the others had a hard time) fridaynight after dosing 3 hits at sundown, of all my friends who dosed that night. i also have learned to be more giving with psychedelics and usually dont charge people. But most importantly my trips now adays are focused on the HERE and NOW, i am not or i like to think that im not going the acid DMT or mushrooms as a means for spiritual enlightenment.
if i learn a lesson on psychedelics i look back on it after the trip to fully take it to heart. im naturally introverted (am definitely working on it) but when im on mushrooms im sooooo open, warm, energetic and just dont care about the past or future.
is it wrong of me doing this? do you think my path is mixed? or maybe the simple fact of questioning what im doing may show me that i need a break from or get rid of my psychedelics?
shed some light on me shroomery, i wouldnt post this unless i truly felt the need to. mushrooms have always been a great teacher to me, and i honestly dont think i would be as wise without them.
first of all, if you are lost, what makes you think THIS guy or anybody else REALLY knows much better? Like when I was a kid at church and was like wtf, how come these guys in the robes are closer to god in the ranks?
i have typed and deleted several sentences. I could go into infinite detail but there is something really simple going on here, i'm just not sure how to pinpoint. you already know the answer, and/or don't, and are just tricking yourself with outside influences. Nobody really knows
the only thing about the open the door comment worth mentioning is fear, or perhaps madness. I guess it could break you, or harm you, if you're afraid to see more of what this is.
Personally, I just , and , because "it is what it is", and I find that the more that I can deal with, the happier i'll be, all in all.
It's not always easy--- I find most masters of enlightenment convince themselves that they have changed while remaining in a comfort zone ---
but I figure DOING is the only only thing worth doing. I'm gonna die anyway...if i'm not DOING something joyous, thrilling, or at least productive, then i guess i'm just waiting around to die. Isn't a master of enlightenment already dead?
what would a dead person care about repairing a door? actually....that's a bad analogy. Just do what you need to do to double-check "good advice"
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: the bizzle]
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fuck yea i love mushrooms, and havent gotten any bad vibes or anyone bring down my vibes on my past few trips.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Muufokfok]
#14063612 - 03/03/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Once you get the message hang up the phone"
Since I have become serious in my meditation I no longer get intoxicated at all. Partly because it was a control problem for me, and partly because of the precepts.
I am grateful to my psychedelic trips as they have led to me to this point. While tripping on shrooms on the beach and meditating for about 5 minuets I realized I could get everything I wanted from tripping from sober meditation alone.
I feel you should do what you feel it right. Only you know whats really going on inside of you. Your path is yours, so walk it, don't let others force you to walk theirs.
That said I feel as if psychedelics add confusion to my life, they bring me half the way there and then drop me. Also I feel they can leave one off set, or lead them into false insights that can be dangerous. But that's me.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: JohnnyZampano]
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JohnnyZampano said: That said I feel as if psychedelics add confusion to my life, they bring me half the way there and then drop me. Also I feel they can leave one off set, or lead them into false insights that can be dangerous. But that's me.
you know what adds confusion to my life leaves me off set? society and people my age. not to mention how fucked up our civilization is raping the earth. not saying psychedelics counters that, just saying that society itself wears me down with its immoralities and bogus realities, so many untrustworthy folk out there can really fuck with your mind.
oh yea and i love Alan watts
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Muufokfok]
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I find, for my own development at least, that intermixing standard meditation with psychedelic meditation to be quite useful. Both have distinct advantages. It should be noted that I have never viewed psychedelics as anything other than a spiritual aid though, and have never used them as a crutch. That said, when used right they can give the strong overhaul of spirit necessary and get one back to the correct path- after which I find it much easier and more rewarding to stick to standard meditation.
No one can say that Buddhism is mutually exclusive with the psychedelic experience for everyone; for me, it is a question of the chicken or egg.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: PsylioSynethesis]
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why the hell would you want to repair that door? it brings in so many colorful perceptions. I say, try and find new ones to open, although not necessarily with drugs.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: wondercat]
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i'd say if you don't want to use them spiritually, then why not use them just for the experience itself.
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he told me his been down the same path as me and that the lesson or perceptions you take in from psychedelics arent true and are hard to be repaired.
how can he be so sure the lessons from psychedelics are any less true compared to lessons gathered otherwise? and i don't know a lot about buddhism so i could be wrong, but don't buddhist say not to attach to any lesson no matter where it's from, because doing so would be identifying with the ego.
also for you experienced meditators, how does ego death on psychedelics differ from ego death from meditation alone?
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: bigmike7104]
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ego death from meditation is permanent
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: JohnnyZampano]
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some people can go there through deep meditation and that's the only time they experience it. so i wouldn't say it's always permanent.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Muufokfok]
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i wouldn't say it's hard to repair, as that implies something was damaged and that is probably wrong
new patterns were formed and those might not fit with picture that was painted for us
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: bigmike7104]
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bigmike7104 said: i'd say if you don't want to use them spiritually, then why not use them just for the experience itself.
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he told me his been down the same path as me and that the lesson or perceptions you take in from psychedelics arent true and are hard to be repaired.
how can he be so sure the lessons from psychedelics are any less true compared to lessons gathered otherwise? and i don't know a lot about buddhism so i could be wrong, but don't buddhist say not to attach to any lesson no matter where it's from, because doing so would be identifying with the ego.
also for you experienced meditators, how does ego death on psychedelics differ from ego death from meditation alone?
i honestly dont even like to think of the word ego-death anymore. but just about every time i meditate i have really good closed eye visuals and almost always feel out of body. after i started meditating ive been able to be more in control of my trips, even a 6gram trip i took 3 weeks ago.
i could honestly say i enjoy a deep meditation more than an ego death or 'whatever you call it' on psychedelics. although i love those moments while tripping where things are brighter tensions seem lighter and everything and everyone feels more fluid. meditation just offers more control, and it feels natural.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: JohnnyZampano]
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JohnnyZampano said: ego death from meditation is permanent
some acid trips can be permanent
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: deranger]
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JohnnyZampano said: ego death from meditation is permanent
some acid trips can be permanent 
Clarifying my post, just meditating is not permanent ego death, I can go into deep meditation where I lose "myself" but gain it once I come out. But I feel if you integrate the three marks into your life and fully understand then you see the ego is an illusion and it is lost forever, call this awakening, enlightenment, fully realizing yourself - whatever you call it, I feel it is the end goal of my meditation.
And yeah, I've met a few people that have permanent lasting effects from acid, including possible ego death. One tripper said he was sometimes surprised he did not simply disintegrate and float away But he claims to have tripped well over 1000 times. Wise dude, and one hell of a cook.
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JohnnyZampano said: Clarifying my post, just meditating is not permanent ego death, I can go into deep meditation where I lose "myself" but gain it once I come out. But I feel if you integrate the three marks into your life and fully understand then you see the ego is an illusion and it is lost forever, call this awakening, enlightenment, fully realizing yourself - whatever you call it, I feel it is the end goal of my meditation.
to believe you have fully realized yourself would be self-deception
there is no way you could know.
and to say there is an end point.. isn't that projecting a limit on to the human experience? I don't believe one can fully realize himself
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JohnnyZampano said: Clarifying my post, just meditating is not permanent ego death, I can go into deep meditation where I lose "myself" but gain it once I come out. But I feel if you integrate the three marks into your life and fully understand then you see the ego is an illusion and it is lost forever, call this awakening, enlightenment, fully realizing yourself - whatever you call it, I feel it is the end goal of my meditation.
to believe you have fully realized yourself would be self-deception
there is no way you could know.
and to say there is an end point.. isn't that projecting a limit on to the human experience? I don't believe one can fully realize himself
I feel you can realize yourself, and understand the base situation in which we are living. By end point I think I mean an endpoint to understanding what makes up our lives - which comes down to the base sensations we feel - this is based on the Theravada 4 path model. But once you understand that there is so so much more possible, even if one does for example become a fully enlightened being like the Buddha he may have reached the end point of that understanding, but not the end point of it all, that can never be reached.
Do you feel one can become enlightened?
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: JohnnyZampano]
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it's too vague a question to answer definitely..
according to my own definition of enlightenment, I don't believe one can become fully enlightened, only more enlightened.
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for example, I feel more enlightened than my depressed self 10 years ago.. but it took many hours of meditation and psychedelic use to overcome those old patterns. that isn't to say those patterns aren't still somewhat active deep within my subconscious.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: deranger]
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i think if full enlightenment wasn't possible, none of this would be here
but that's just my guess at the moment
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: deff]
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I'm really starting to go against the grain when it comes to the word enlightenment. It's really been rubbing me the wrong way. Not to say it should do the same for anyone else, I just am yappin.
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#14071280 - 03/05/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Subhuti what do you think? Does a holy one of perfect enlightenment say to himself, 'I have attained perfect enlightenment"?
No, World Honored One. Wherefore? Because there is no such condition as that called 'perfect enlightenment'. If a holy one of perfect enlightenment said to himself "Such am I", he would necessarily partake in the idea of an ego entity, personality, being or a separated individuality. When the World Honored One declares that I excel among holy men in the yoga of perfect quiescence, in dwelling in seclusion, and freedom from passions, I do not say within myself "I am a holy one of perfectice enlightenment, free from passions." If I said within myself "Such am I", you would not declare Subhuti finds happiness abiding in peace in seclusion in the midst of the forest. Wherefore? Because Subhuti abides no where, therefore he is called 'Subhuti, joyful abider in peace, dweller in seclusion in the forest'
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: deff]
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deff said: i think if full enlightenment wasn't possible, none of this would be here
but that's just my guess at the moment
what do you mean by full enlightenment, in the sense of one's personal experience with it?
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: deranger]
#14071346 - 03/05/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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complete perfection of mind
i don't know the specifics
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: deff]
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perfection is a subjective judgment, is it not?
who would be the one to judge, and how would you know?
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#14071503 - 03/05/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i don't think there'd be 'anyone left judging' - which is part of the perfection of it
maybe instead of perfection, absolute simplicity? complete unity of mind?
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: deff]
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: deranger]
#14071890 - 03/05/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i had an intense visual after reading that deff, thank you
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Muufokfok]
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BoxyBrown said: he told me his been down the same path as me and that the lesson or perceptions you take in from psychedelics arent true and are hard to be repaired.
lol, he's an idiot. That is all. What seems to be 'hard to repair' is when people like him cling to a single path and convince themselves that all others are wrong. He may be a buddhist or w.e but this is the very same fallacy that fundamentalist christians share. Be weary of anyone who says that there is only one path to enlightenment for they are clearly straying from it. If you speak to him again, you should ask him how exactly he intends to experience cosmic consciousness by being so selective?
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Kickle said: I'm really starting to go against the grain when it comes to the word enlightenment. It's really been rubbing me the wrong way. Not to say it should do the same for anyone else, I just am yappin.
It's a dirty word.
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: Ginseng1]
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My dick is not going to be enlightened for the next two weeks
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Re: "Once you open the door, its hard to repair" someone plz elaborate [Re: p4kSouL]
#14097046 - 03/10/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow, this thread took a tail spin, haha. But I like what the ghost said... Be weary indeed!
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