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Re: What do you know about yopo? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14061695 - 03/03/11 05:47 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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Can you really use toasted snail shells? :lol:




It's the traditional method, as the snail shells calcify the yopo IIRC. My memory on this topic is a bit rusty so don't quote me on it.

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Why would you mix lime into something you are going to snort!?:confused:

There are many ways to get the same chemicals. Snorting an extremely painful snuff isn't the way for me. Good luck OP




Ive smoked extracted nn-dmt many times..... its not about getting the pure chemical for me.. I want that particular experience.... call it curiosity? maybe its different from smoking nn-dmt, maybe ill like it more, maybe ill hate it so much i never want to do it again... the only way ill know is to try.




You'd actually be better off doing an extraction, the physical discomforts from snorting aren't worth it IMO. And the general consensus is that anadenanthera peregrina/colubrina contain high levels of bufotenin with trace amounts of 5-MeO-DMT and nn-DMT.




Ive done extractions... Never have I had a friend blow a pipe full of ground up seeds into my face... call me crazy, i prolly am, but im to curious not to do it.

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Re: What do you know about yopo? [Re: stranger_danger]
    #14061806 - 03/03/11 06:04 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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Ive done extractions... Never have I had a friend blow a pipe full of ground up seeds into my face... call me crazy, i prolly am, but im to curious not to do it.




Same here... I want to try the extract first, but I'd also like to try the "traditional method" someday. :thumbup:


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Re: What do you know about yopo? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14061848 - 03/03/11 06:11 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I see that 10 hours of snot dripping down your noses appeal to you.

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Re: What do you know about yopo? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14061855 - 03/03/11 06:13 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I would make sure I have the day after off, and stock up on antihistamines. :wink:


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Re: What do you know about yopo? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14061916 - 03/03/11 06:24 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

DAMN STRAIGHT YOU WILL. I would never wish that day-after runny nose on anybody.

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Re: What do you know about yopo? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14062068 - 03/03/11 06:45 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Why not just extract the goodies :smirk:?

I've seen those seeds lying around in the smartshop anybody know an average alkaloid content? Perhaps i'll buy them...

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Re: What do you know about yopo? [Re: Beanhead]
    #14062089 - 03/03/11 06:48 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I have like six of the things lying around. I don't know if that would be enough for an extraction but I'm leaning towards a "no," but then again I've heard you only need to snort one to three to trip off them...

If you could actually get most of the alkaloids out with the extraction, it would be a remarkably small-scale affair.


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Re: What do you know about yopo? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14234320 - 04/04/11 12:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have heard 3 seeds is a good number.

The main active is Bufotenine, 5-HO-DMT.
Extractions of pure-ish Bufo yeild roughly 4%.
Actual alkaloid concentration varies from bunk to 12%(rare).

I have heard most "Yopo" being sold is Anadananthera colubrina, even if the package says it is "A. peregrina".

My dog has used burnt snail shell, this is for basification as well as possible calcification/chemical reaction beyond simple freebasing.  Snail shell is composed of a high percentage of Calcium carbonate.  The basification aids absorbtion and makes the beans much more active.  The PH of the native snuff is around 9.

There are toxins present in the beans that can be somewhat removed by toasting,this may also make the beans more potent by converting oxidized Bufotenine back.  It appears there are also some MAOI's present in the seed.  Toasting will likely remove these, along with any DMT present (usually a trivial amount).

If you want to smoke it, roast seed matter at 375 degrees to toast off toxins (be careful and cover them, they pop!), then basify by pouring some clean and clear ammonia over the seeds, enough to soak them, for 20 minutes; then allow to dry (in the oven at 150F if you are impatient) before smoking the now freebased matter.

This works especially well when used in combination with Caapi/Harmala alkaloids in changa form.  Adding jungle-spice (MHRB full-spectrum extract) to this mix does really does amazing things from what I hear.

Caapi was traditionally chewed before and added to the snuff.  Modern day shamans sometimes drink a caapi brew of 15-20 grams before working with Cebil/Bufotenine.

Hydrated lime can be used to basify the snuff; it is a stronger base(I have heard a 1 to 5 ratio is more correct) and I have heard lime (CaOH) also can hurt the potentcy of the Vilca by degrading the main active, Bufotenine.

Sodium carbonate has been used as well to freebase.  It is made from heating Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) in the oven or on the stove (Regular baking soda has been used to less of an effect).
My dog has successfully used ash from unmentionable, but ash from a hardwood such as oak that burns to a white ash would work better as it has a higher percentage Calcium carbonate.  With these weaker bases, a ratio of 1 to 3 base to seed matter might be more appropriate.

The beans are reacted (activated)often overnight with the base of ones choice.  The beans are toasted, ground, and mixed with the base.  This is then mixed/kneaded with just enough water to form a dough-like material, mixed well, and dried well; and then ground to flour-like consistency for use.  If Caapi is added, the amount added is up to the maker. 

It used to be that Cebil beans could not be taken orally, even if one would swallow the drip of the snuff, powerful nausea would be experienced.  However; it has been recently discovered that 4-10 drops of Lemon essential oil as a predose completely blocks the nausea from even orally dosed bufotenine!  It antagonizes the 5-HT3 sites that would normally cause nausea.  This Lemon essential oil should work for all seretonergic psychedelics too: LSD, Harmalas, mushrooms, DMT...

My dog in Argentina successfully blocked all nausea from almost a gram (4 beans) of basified Cebil, even when taken orally, even when used with a combination of a small amount sublingual Syrian rue.

Take care with this new information, the beans still cause vasoconstriction even with no nausea, this can become uncomfortable and even dangerous at higher doses. 
The oral route in combination with MAOI is not well tested.  Just because the Lemon oil blocks nausea doesn't mean there aren't still toxins.

Extraction is really the way to go if one has naturally high levels of Bufotenine (yes it is endogenous)and wants a more epic experience.  There are other sites showing extractions with 99% IPA and purification methods.

That said my dog has had wonderful experiences without any extraction, simply using one or two basified and smoked beans in combination with Syrian rue orally predosed and freebased/smoked with the freebased Cebil/Vilca.

Closed eye visuals and powerful audio-hallucinations off of one and two seeds; respectively (this was in combination with Syrian rue)...  and these were his first two experiences with Cebil (and are documented under a thread on another forum with a title of "crude rue cebil bufotenine changa success") which supposedly has a reverse tolerance.
My dogs' results therein documented seem comparable to the Erowid experience report entitled "Smokable Ayahuasca".

Since starting to use Lemon essential oil as a predoser to prevent nausea he has never looked back! (Thanks to 69ron and his post on another forum; "Simple cebil seed reaction causes DMT-like effects orally")

My dog also likes taking some beans with alcohol when he drinks, the booze helps counter-act the vasoconstrictive side-effects of the beans... This was also a traditional method of intake; each man using no more than 3 beans in their "chicha"/ beer.  The comounds seem very friendly together.  On a side note, this mixture may be a good aphrodisiac.

Freebase bufotenine degrades to a nauseating compound within a matter of days.  Better to only freebase a little at a time.

The freebase seems much more stable if extracted and evaporated unto a leaf base ie: Caapi leaf.  It should last a month or so stored in this way.

Bufotenine goes great with DMT, and is well potentiated by Caapi/Harmala... it is especially noteworthy when used at/after an ayahuasca peak (only a few grams of MHRB in ayahuasca can be combined with the Vilca to great effect), or smoked, extracted onto a "Changa" smoking blend; with jungle spice and Caapi extract sounds devine... or just the Bufotenine and Caapi alkaloids (MAOI) together are a special pair. 

Chemically, Bufotenine(5-HO-DMT) is structured very much like psilocin (4-HO-DMT).

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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.

Edited by flickedbic (04/04/11 01:29 AM)

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Re: What do you know about yopo? [Re: flickedbic]
    #14234410 - 04/04/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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