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the "perfect" human being
#14058370 - 03/03/11 03:52 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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how would you go about defining the "perfect" human being?
note: this has nothing to do with elitism.
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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: meatcakeman]
#14058375 - 03/03/11 03:53 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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Evolutionarily speaking this would be a human who is perfectly adapted to his or her environment in terms of survival and ability to reproduce their genes on to the next generation.
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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said: Evolutionarily speaking this would be a human who is perfectly adapted to his or her environment in terms of survival and ability to reproduce their genes on to the next generation.
indeed, in the biological sense, i would agree, since that is true for all organisms. but i was looking for something more humanistic (along the lines of personal/societal ideals).
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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: meatcakeman]
#14058388 - 03/03/11 04:14 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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There's the ideal

Then there's the alchemical proces of transmuting the baser materials into the ideal. Some times you have to settle and make do within the current limits of manufacturability.

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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: amuzakat]
#14058403 - 03/03/11 04:35 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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ok maybe i should have talked about where i was trying to go with this.
for something to be perfect, something must have a conditional purpose. nothing can just be perfect for no reason. let's think for a second that the human species has a purpose. well, based on such a context, what would be the perfect human being to perform that purpose? keep in mind, we do not know the purpose.
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#14058414 - 03/03/11 04:40 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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meatcakeman said: how would you go about defining the "perfect" human being?
note: this has nothing to do with elitism.
This makes no sense IMO. It's impossible for any human to be perfect, and i think that aspect goes into what makes us (any form of life really) so interesting is our flaws.
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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: meatcakeman]
#14058415 - 03/03/11 04:40 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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meatcakeman said: ok maybe i should have talked about where i was trying to go with this.
for something to be perfect, something must have a conditional purpose. nothing can just be perfect for no reason. let's think for a second that the human species has a purpose. well, based on such a context, what would be the perfect human being to perform that purpose? keep in mind, we do not know the purpose.
Well, given your conditions, you also already answered your own question. If we don't know the purpose we can't specify the requirements!?
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#14058435 - 03/03/11 04:58 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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the "perfect" human being
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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: meatcakeman]
#14058878 - 03/03/11 09:14 AM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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meatcakeman said: how would you go about defining the "perfect" human being?
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meatcakeman said: how would you go about defining the "perfect" human being?
note: this has nothing to do with elitism.
This makes no sense IMO. It's impossible for any human to be perfect, and i think that aspect goes into what makes us (any form of life really) so interesting is our flaws.
exactly. if humans are intrinsically imperfect, then aren't we all perfect?
EDIT: in other words, if we were meant to be imperfect, then aren't we all perfect human beings?
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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: amuzakat]
#14061410 - 03/03/11 05:01 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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meatcakeman said: ok maybe i should have talked about where i was trying to go with this.
for something to be perfect, something must have a conditional purpose. nothing can just be perfect for no reason. let's think for a second that the human species has a purpose. well, based on such a context, what would be the perfect human being to perform that purpose? keep in mind, we do not know the purpose.
Well, given your conditions, you also already answered your own question. If we don't know the purpose we can't specify the requirements!?
you're looking far too deep into this. i've given you conditions that are completely realistic. some of us believe there is a higher purpose to things, but none of us know exactly what that purpose is. yet, we subjectively assign purpose to everything, especially to ourselves. we go to school, have a job, do this, do that, all ON PURPOSE. ironically, we have no idea what that purpose is.
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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: meatcakeman]
#14061625 - 03/03/11 05:35 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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meatcakeman said: ok maybe i should have talked about where i was trying to go with this.
for something to be perfect, something must have a conditional purpose. nothing can just be perfect for no reason. let's think for a second that the human species has a purpose. well, based on such a context, what would be the perfect human being to perform that purpose? keep in mind, we do not know the purpose.
If you believe Aristotle, our purpose is to live the good life and be happy, so presumably any human who does this the best would be perfect.
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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: meatcakeman]
#14061644 - 03/03/11 05:38 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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some of us believe there is a higher purpose to things, but none of us know exactly what that purpose is
That's some real fine thnking there.
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OrgoneConclusion said: some of us believe there is a higher purpose to things, but none of us know exactly what that purpose is
It's god working in mysterious ways I snicker when people say that because it is such bullshit.
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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: deCypher]
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some of us believe there is a higher purpose to things, but none of us know exactly what that purpose is
That's some real fine thnking there.
if you were being sarcastic, i'm sorry but i don't see any faults in my statement, since believing and knowing are two different things. if you'd like to explain to me why you disagree instead of trying to be a smartass, i'd be happy to listen to you.
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meatcakeman said: ok maybe i should have talked about where i was trying to go with this.
for something to be perfect, something must have a conditional purpose. nothing can just be perfect for no reason. let's think for a second that the human species has a purpose. well, based on such a context, what would be the perfect human being to perform that purpose? keep in mind, we do not know the purpose.
If you believe Aristotle, our purpose is to live the good life and be happy, so presumably any human who does this the best would be perfect.
ah, this is exactly where i was trying to go with this. our perceptions of what is the "perfect" human is dependent upon how we view human purpose. thus, in order to better ourselves, we must find our purpose, in a sense.
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OrgoneConclusion said: some of us believe there is a higher purpose to things, but none of us know exactly what that purpose is
It's god working in mysterious ways I snicker when people say that because it is such bullshit.
this has nothing to do with a higher being, or a higher power. purpose isn't necessarily assigned by some outside source. one could easily assign oneself their own purpose.
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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: meatcakeman]
#14061893 - 03/03/11 06:20 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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meatcakeman said: ok maybe i should have talked about where i was trying to go with this.
for something to be perfect, something must have a conditional purpose. nothing can just be perfect for no reason. let's think for a second that the human species has a purpose. well, based on such a context, what would be the perfect human being to perform that purpose? keep in mind, we do not know the purpose.
Well, given your conditions, you also already answered your own question. If we don't know the purpose we can't specify the requirements!?
you're looking far too deep into this. i've given you conditions that are completely realistic. some of us believe there is a higher purpose to things, but none of us know exactly what that purpose is. yet, we subjectively assign purpose to everything, especially to ourselves. we go to school, have a job, do this, do that, all ON PURPOSE. ironically, we have no idea what that purpose is.
In that case I will offer a paradoxical definition, the perfect human being is he who purposefully acts against his own purpose.
That may be an impossibility, unless one has first somehow circumvented the painful limits of sanity.
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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: amuzakat]
#14061996 - 03/03/11 06:35 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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Always improving and improving and improving... Never can we reach perfection Reproductive revolution
""Homo sapiens, the first truly free species, is about to decommission natural selection, the force that made us.... Soon we must look deep within ourselves and decide what we wish to become." Edward O. Wilson Consilience, The Unity of Knowledge" Paradise engineering
Or an all-time favourite; I like to apply a mixture of hedonism and epicurism on my life so that title definetly catched my eye years ago: Wired society
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Re: the "perfect" human being [Re: meatcakeman]
#14063111 - 03/03/11 09:18 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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, i'm sorry but i don't see any faults in my statement, since believing and knowing are two different things. if you'd like to explain to me why you disagree instead of trying to be a smartass, i'd be happy to listen to you.
You want me to use logic to demonstrate why your statement is illogical? 
Believing something for which you have no evidence is as far from 'thinking' as one can get. It is the antithesis to thinking.
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