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dharmabum182
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High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization
#14061443 - 03/03/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bought a waterbath. This is my solution to the pain of babysitting the water to maintain the correct pasturization temps. Pretty good deal I think.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390292308619
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: dharmabum182]
#14061461 - 03/03/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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they have a cheaper version of this.
its called a "counter top roaster"
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: dharmabum182]
#14061467 - 03/03/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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fucking great... another reason for me to blow money :-P thanks alot
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: k00laid]
#14061500 - 03/03/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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k00laid said: they have a cheaper version of this.
its called a "counter top roaster"
epic good call, i was srsly considering droppin 300$ on one of them fancy beasts right now... but fuck that http://cgi.ebay.com/18-QUART-ROASTER-OVEN-NEW-/320658454020?pt=Small_Kitchen_Appliances_US&hash=item4aa8bbb604 40$ and free S&H sounds alot better.
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dharmabum182
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: stranger_danger]
#14061532 - 03/03/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't trust a roaster. No matter how cheap they are. They are another kitchen gadget that is cheaply mass produced. This is designed for this stuff. It's more accurate and has overheating controls. For me, a magnetic stirrer, waterbath, and flowhood is all I need.
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: dharmabum182]
#14061548 - 03/03/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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dharmabum182 said: I wouldn't trust a roaster. No matter how cheap they are. They are another kitchen gadget that is cheaply mass produced. This is designed for this stuff. It's more accurate and has overheating controls. For me, a magnetic stirrer, waterbath, and flowhood is all I need.
maybe not be the most trustworthy item in the world, but another 5 dollars for a half ass decent meat thermometer from walmart to double check the temps of the roaster is good enough for me... im just pasteurizing horse shit.... if i fuck it up, ill go to the pasture and grab some more.
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasteurization [Re: dharmabum182]
#14061549 - 03/03/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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pricey..shiny though.
look in my siggy and then be like ......J/K nice find man.
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dharmabum182
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasteurization [Re: Ozzy]
#14061688 - 03/03/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's a small penis purchase I suppose. But I'd rather throw the shit in the waterbath, crack a beer, and watch cartoons. I always spend a bigger time/money ratio trying to macgyver a setup.
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: stranger_danger]
#14061722 - 03/03/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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dharmabum182 said: For me, a magnetic stirrer, waterbath, and flowhood is all I need.
I would be screwed without my trusty little pc.
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: The_Outsider]
#14061928 - 03/03/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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$250
* Supply: 115VAC 50/60Hz 10A Single Phase * Capacity: 43L (11.4 Gallons) * Bath Dimensions: 16 x 28 x 6.5" * Temperature: 0-99.9C
This doesn't sit right with me.
I got 6 of these at walmart last week on clearance for $10 a piece. I would have bought 20 if they had them at that price 
 Really though bro, that $250 jobber is a horrible deal.
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#14061972 - 03/03/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah, that is blatantly wrong. My guess would be 4 gallons tops on that. Just a guess though. what's it actually hold PP?
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#14061981 - 03/03/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would return that thing and just get one of these  Did I mention getting 6 of them last week for 10 bucks a piece?
they are 4.25 gallon a piece, THATS A LOT CHEAPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT 250 DOLLAR UNIT IS ONLY 10 GALLONS. NO GOOD! NO GOOD!
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#14062010 - 03/03/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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10*6= 60 bucks @ 4.25 gal = 25 gallons for 60 bucks.
If we go even further with the math and break down the gallon difference and the 250 difference it gets down right insulting.
But that is a very nice unit and will last a long time.
I would rather 4 of those than 12 of the black roasters for sure. Just pretty pricey thats all.
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#14062133 - 03/03/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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How much substrate can you use in those. What are the dimensions? I would just think that water would displace a lot of load. It doesn't seem energy economical on that scale.
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: dharmabum182]
#14062589 - 03/03/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i've never found a reason to go above and beyond for pasteurization, i just boil water, put my dry substrate ingredients in a 5 gallon work bucket, when the water is boiling, remove from heat for 30-60 seconds, then add it to the bucket and put the lid on. one or two times and you'll learn the correct amount of water to begin with, but its best to add a little more than a little less, that way you can squeeze out the excess before spawning to.
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: DZ]
#14062632 - 03/03/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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DZ said: i've never found a reason to go above and beyond for pasteurization, i just boil water, put my dry substrate ingredients in a 5 gallon work bucket, when the water is boiling, remove from heat for 30-60 seconds, then add it to the bucket and put the lid on. one or two times and you'll learn the correct amount of water to begin with, but its best to add a little more than a little less, that way you can squeeze out the excess before spawning to.
While that works for ELEM ENTRY subs like Damion5050 tec, when you move beyond the simplicity of cubes, that kind of stuff doesn't work. And even with coir/verm only it is not 100%. Proper temps for allotted times are essential in this hobby. If you can't get to that then you are just playing at mycology(which isn't bad), but certainly will lead to constant high failure rates early on in your subs.
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: Ozzy]
#14062678 - 03/03/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Agreed Ozzy, if you try that with poo you are gonna go green in my neck of the woods. Even coir during the wrong time of the year.
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: Ozzy]
#14062784 - 03/03/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ozzy said:
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DZ said: i've never found a reason to go above and beyond for pasteurization, i just boil water, put my dry substrate ingredients in a 5 gallon work bucket, when the water is boiling, remove from heat for 30-60 seconds, then add it to the bucket and put the lid on. one or two times and you'll learn the correct amount of water to begin with, but its best to add a little more than a little less, that way you can squeeze out the excess before spawning to.
While that works for ELEM ENTRY subs like Damion5050 tec, when you move beyond the simplicity of cubes, that kind of stuff doesn't work. And even with coir/verm only it is not 100%. Proper temps for allotted times are essential in this hobby. If you can't get to that then you are just playing at mycology(which isn't bad), but certainly will lead to constant high failure rates early on in your subs.
lol elem entry subs... i assume you speak from experience using the aforementioned technique. from years of experience, and all sorts of different pasteurization methods, and varying strains; this has been the simplest method that i've found and has proved to work, time and time again. you claim coir/verm is not 100%, is this your opinion or fact? because my experience proves otherwise. i understand temps don't need to be more than 160-170 but what is the acceptable limit before killing off too many needed bacterias? i'm sure the temp drop from boiling to being mixed with room temperature substrate must be significant, perhaps 20-30 degrees. if the water temp after removing from boiling is 205, that would put the substrate temp around 175-185 at the beginning of pasteurization. with a peak temperature of approx 185, i would argue that pasteurization is achieved successfully. i have plenty of potential for testing coming up within a week, so i plan to record temperatures at varying stages using my prep method, and i plan to document it so we will know for sure.
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: DZ]
#14062827 - 03/03/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes as a matter of fact, it is from years of experience and trying many different methods, hotshot. P.s and those that paved the way for us as well.
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Re: High Tech Solution To The Pains Of Pasturization [Re: Ozzy]
#14062878 - 03/03/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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no need for name calling and degradation, we'll let my planned research decide
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