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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: PreparationH]
    #14058719 - 03/03/11 08:15 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

this happend a few times when i was in High-School.. sad :sad:


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: AsAboveSoBelow]
    #14059970 - 03/03/11 01:08 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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I used to drive totally fucking schwozzled all the time. I think some people are better at it than others. I never came close to getting into an accident, though I once got pulled over for speeding after a long whisky night. The officer smelled it on my breath and I got in trouble.

I don't drive drunk anymore, not because I think it's particularly dangerous, but because I don't want to get my license revoked or go to jail. :shrug:




That's risky man.. risky. especially in the Bay Area.. Bay Area is a fucking nightmare for driving

I'd rate you a 0 if I could :shrug:

I hate drunk drivers, I wish I could beat the fuck out of every drunk driver fucking shithead. They deserve it. I wish every drunk driver was killed in an accident.. they're asking for it. Drunk driving should = life sentence

Somebody come in here and challenge me about drunking driving.. give me an excuse. That's right, there is no fucking excuse unless you get in your car and all of a sudden a bunch of crazy fucks start shooting your car out of nowhere.. Even then, in that impossible situation, you should pull over at your earliest convenience

Even when Im driving, I don't like drunk idiots in my car. I've physically thrown drunk idiots out before, on the side of the road without the slighest hesitation. I don't need the trouble. In a few states, even if the driver isn't drunk but some passengers are, YOU(the driver) can be charged with a DUI.

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I've driven drunk literally hundreds of times and never came close to an accident. And this was usually in the city.

Some people can drive drunk, other people can't. This is not a popular fact but it is a true one.

I used to be able to drive drunk, then I got in trouble (initially only for speeding, mind you), and the punishment for the second DUI is far harsher than for the first. So I don't drive drunk anymore. Not because I'm worried about accidents but because I'm worried about jail time and four-to-five-digit fines.

Your hatred is stinkier than my breath after a fifth of tequila. Get over it. :stonedjerk:


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: AsAboveSoBelow]
    #14059982 - 03/03/11 01:11 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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I used to drive totally fucking schwozzled all the time. I think some people are better at it than others. I never came close to getting into an accident, though I once got pulled over for speeding after a long whisky night. The officer smelled it on my breath and I got in trouble.

I don't drive drunk anymore, not because I think it's particularly dangerous, but because I don't want to get my license revoked or go to jail. :shrug:




That's risky man.. risky. especially in the Bay Area.. Bay Area is a fucking nightmare for driving

I'd rate you a 0 if I could :shrug:

I hate drunk drivers, I wish I could beat the fuck out of every drunk driver fucking shithead. They deserve it. I wish every drunk driver was killed in an accident.. they're asking for it. Drunk driving should = life sentence

Somebody come in here and challenge me about drunking driving.. give me an excuse. That's right, there is no fucking excuse unless you get in your car and all of a sudden a bunch of crazy fucks start shooting your car out of nowhere.. Even then, in that impossible situation, you should pull over at your earliest convenience

Even when Im driving, I don't like drunk idiots in my car. I've physically thrown drunk idiots out before, on the side of the road without the slighest hesitation. I don't need the trouble. In a few states, even if the driver isn't drunk but some passengers are, YOU(the driver) can be charged with a DUI.

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There's really levels to it. I got a DUI for a 0.088 after passing their sobriety test with flying colors. I really was not even intoxicated due to my tolerance at the time, and I had waited 2 hours to sober up before driving home.  I should get a life sentence? :suckit:


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14059985 - 03/03/11 01:11 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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Its not 100% fullproof. You probably got really lucky. But if something were to really hit you, then i would imagine it wouldve done alot of damage




I've had more than one accident like that.  I had a tire blow out on the highway in the rain when going 70.  The car tank slapped and spun me off into you guessed it, another tree at again, about 50mph head on - at least that's the speed the speedometer broke at.  No injuries cept a slight bruise on my forearm.


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14059994 - 03/03/11 01:13 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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Some people can drive drunk, other people can't. I know it sounds real macho but it's true.




It sounds egotistical and ignorant, actually. Are your reflexes the exact same drunk as sober? I'm going to say no, they probably aren't.


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Ima Trooper]
    #14060001 - 03/03/11 01:15 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I would go for jail for life without bail or somethign


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Ima Trooper]
    #14060010 - 03/03/11 01:16 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Yeah, that doesn't sound macho at all, just retarded. Alcohol impairs your motor skills, you aren't immune to that.


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Patlal]
    #14060020 - 03/03/11 01:17 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

threads like me want to put a 5 point harness in my daily driver.  I've already considered it since I have to use that stupid trick at the track where you lean your seat back, make your belt lock, then shove yourself into the belt really hard.  5 points are safer and work better for driving fast, but suck in terms of convenience - and most people think you look like a tool :lol:


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Ima Trooper]
    #14060021 - 03/03/11 01:17 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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Some people can drive drunk, other people can't. I know it sounds real macho but it's true.




It sounds egotistical and ignorant, actually. Are your reflexes the exact same drunk as sober? I'm going to say no, they probably aren't.




Obviously not, but also obviously I understand how to compensate for impaired motor skills while driving. I know my body and my mind.

I'm telling you, you can't argue with my track record, and there are many others like me who are just fine intoxicated behind the wheel, but get in trouble for it anyway because people can't handle their shit. Driving drunk doesn't make you stupid, stupid driving makes you stupid.

You are not going to convince me otherwise.

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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Ima Trooper]
    #14060022 - 03/03/11 01:17 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

:shrug: it doesn't matter, sure you can drive drunk, then when some other idiot who cant drive crashes into you, you get the blame.  Just isn't worth it.

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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14060028 - 03/03/11 01:19 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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Some people can drive drunk, other people can't. I know it sounds real macho but it's true.




It sounds egotistical and ignorant, actually. Are your reflexes the exact same drunk as sober? I'm going to say no, they probably aren't.




Obviously not, but also obviously I understand how to compensate for impaired motor skills while driving. I know my body and my mind.

I'm telling you, you can't argue with my track record, and there are many others like me who are just fine intoxicated behind the wheel, but get in trouble for it anyway because so many people can't handle their shit.

You are not going to convince me otherwise.




I'm sure I'm not. So far you don't seem like the kind of person to listen to logic. :shrug:


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Ima Trooper]
    #14060039 - 03/03/11 01:21 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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Tchan909 said:
Some people can drive drunk, other people can't. I know it sounds real macho but it's true.




It sounds egotistical and ignorant, actually. Are your reflexes the exact same drunk as sober? I'm going to say no, they probably aren't.




Obviously not, but also obviously I understand how to compensate for impaired motor skills while driving. I know my body and my mind.

I'm telling you, you can't argue with my track record, and there are many others like me who are just fine intoxicated behind the wheel, but get in trouble for it anyway because so many people can't handle their shit.

You are not going to convince me otherwise.




I'm sure I'm not. So far you don't seem like the kind of person to listen to logic. :shrug:




I listen to my own experiences before I listen to somebody else's logic, and my experiences have shown me hundreds of drunken drives with nothing close to an accident.

What are you trying to convince me of, anyway? I don't drive drunk anymore because I don't want the legal trouble, so why get your panties in a knot?


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14060058 - 03/03/11 01:25 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I also drove drunk hundreds of times before I got a DUI. And if I hadn't been caught then, I would have driven drunk hundreds of more times, until eventually either I would have realized it is dangerous to do and quit on my own, wrecked, or got stopped for something else or pull up on a checkpoint.

Why did you stop doing it?


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Ima Trooper]
    #14060088 - 03/03/11 01:30 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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I also drove drunk hundreds of times before I got a DUI. And if I hadn't been caught then, I would have driven drunk hundreds of more times, until eventually either you realized it is dangerous to do and quit on your own, wreck, or get stopped for something else or pull up on a checkpoint.

Why did you stop doing it?




Because I got a DUI, and the threats of jail time and long-term revocation of my license (standard fare for second offense) are honestly more frightening than anything else. I was speeding when I got caught BTW, not weaving or doing any of the other stupid bullshit people who can't handle their liquor do in the road.

I'm telling you man, some people can do it, other people can't. I've been in one wreck in my life and I was sober for that one (not that it was my fault anyway). The statistics generated by my own life clearly show that intoxication does not increase the risk of car accidents.

Honestly, the statistics used to justify DUI laws are shaky themselves. Sure, a certain percentage of people who get into car wrecks are intoxicated, but what percentage of intoxicated drivers get into car wrecks? The world may never know, now that drunk driving is illegal. Moreover, do those studies control for the undeniable fact that some people hold their liquor better than others?

I'll agree it's stupid to drive drunk, and the law is a good thing because we're better safe than sorry and some people really CAN'T drive drunk. But when people judge me so vitriolically and ignorantly as AsAboveSoBelow did it makes me very :crankey:. We have DUI laws because of legal prudence, but when stupids go so far as to interpret the law to mean that nobody can drive drunk without posing a massive risk to everybody present, a small piece of my libertarian's soul dies in anguish.


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14060121 - 03/03/11 01:35 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

"what percentage of intoxicated drivers get into car wrecks? The world may never know, now that drunk driving is illegal."


that made me LOL

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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14060147 - 03/03/11 01:39 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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I also drove drunk hundreds of times before I got a DUI. And if I hadn't been caught then, I would have driven drunk hundreds of more times, until eventually either you realized it is dangerous to do and quit on your own, wreck, or get stopped for something else or pull up on a checkpoint.

Why did you stop doing it?




Because I got a DUI, and the threats of jail time and long-term revocation of my license are honestly more frightening than anything else. I was speeding when I got caught BTW, not weaving or doing any of the other stupid bullshit people who can't handle their liquor do in the road.

I'm telling you man, some people can do it, other people can't. I've been in one wreck in my life and I was sober for that one. The statistics generated by my own life clearly show that intoxication does not increase the risk of car accidents.

Honestly, the statistics used to justify DUI laws are shakey themselves. Sure, a certain percentage of people who get into car wrecks are intoxicated, but what percentage of intoxicated drivers get into car wrecks? Moreover, do those studies control for the undeniable fact that some people hold their liquor better than others?

I'll agree it's stupid to drive drunk, and the law is a good thing because we're better safe than sorry and some people really CAN'T drive drunk. But when people judge me so vitriolically and ignorantly as AsAboveSoBelow did it makes me very :crankey:




I understand where you're coming from, but the actual medical facts are that your judgement and reflexes are impaired when you're drunk. Which may not mean that you're GOING to get into an accident, but it CERTAINLY raises the odds of that happening. I drove drunk just fine all the times I did it (apparently, or I wouldn't have woken up in the morning with my car parked outside my house) but you can't guard against something occurring quickly and unexpectedly that requires you to take evasive maneuverers with impaired reflexes. It just isn't possible.

So I'm glad you never got into a wreck or anything as a result of driving intoxicated, but just because you DIDN'T, doesn't mean that you drive perfectly fine intoxicated.


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: Ima Trooper]
    #14060185 - 03/03/11 01:45 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Again I'm going to say it depends more on the individual person - on their alcohol tolerance, their familiarity with their reflexes and reactions, and their familiarity with the effects of alcohol on those things.

DUI laws are stringent because they would be weak and unenforceable otherwise, but they ARE extremely stringent.

I think we agree on the fundamentals, but people who make sweeping value judgments based on generalizations are stupider than drunk drivers.

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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: PreparationH]
    #14060556 - 03/03/11 02:44 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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long story short, girl I knew when I was younger was DUI and killed her 2 friends.  What is she lookin at?  Vehicular manslaughter charges??


...  I'm going to a wake tonight, the result of drunk driving . .:sad:  . Parents aren't supposed to out live their children...   . . " Newspaper says the driver is charged with death by auto, and assult by auto...", but no DUI ? :confused: . . That may change . ...  R . I . :peace:, everyone killed by drunk drivers... :cheers: . :beer: . and more tears...


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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: vinsue]
    #14062594 - 03/03/11 08:06 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I actually agree that some people can drive "drunk", mostly experienced drunks. My friend's dad is an alcoholic, drove drunk all the time just fine.
However, the majority of people can't fucking drive in the first place. I saw a 5 car pileup (actually 3 cars, then 10 feet back another 2 cars) today, all could have been prevented if everyone didn't fucking tailgate so much.
Still, even though I consider myself a good driver, I don't think I could ever drive drunk. I'm sure I'd drive just fine buzzed (although I won't), but I know I couldn't drive drunk.

That being said, I drive stoned and have never had any problems with it. Never even had any of the typical problems of stopping at green lights or anything. But weed tends to make people more cautious with driving, and alcohol does the reverse as far as I can tell. Still, I know people who I wouldn't want stoned driving....(But those same people I wouldn't want to ride with anyway).

tl;dr I think about 2% of the population can drive drunk "okay". Not the best, but about as well as the bottom/worst 50% of drivers overall

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Re: Legal question, DUI, 2 people killed [Re: BlueJayWay]
    #14062610 - 03/03/11 08:09 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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I actually agree that some people can drive "drunk", mostly experienced drunks. My friend's dad is an alcoholic, drove drunk all the time just fine.
However, the majority of people can't fucking drive in the first place.




I laughed really fucking hard when I saw this. Thank you, thank you so much, for pointing this out. It needed to be said. :rofldrunk:


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