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OfflineEvillemon
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What is wrong with these mushrooms ?????
    #14059941 - 03/03/11 01:02 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Hey Everyone!

How yall doing? I just harvested these mushrooms. Ive done about 5 grows before,mostly using BRF and casing trays which have generally been successfull but recently started spawning to bulk using BRFcakes and paturized trays of Horse Manure compost and Straw.

The first attempt didnt go great, i had problems wit cobweb which stalled colonization. But eventually i got some nice mazatapec shrooms of it, really beautifully formed fat with big swollen caps with little splits from being so full.

Anyway i just did the same brf spawn with GOLDEN TEACHERS to bulk hpoo straw, this time no mold or contams and had a lovely 100% colonized block, which i cased with like 1/2" of paturizd with peat very oyster shell and lime about 12 days ago and straght into the FC. It took about a week of being in the FC for the first fruits to show. These have been growing for about 6 days at 95% Humidity and 70-74degrees.  Ive got an air bubbler in their and ive been fanning 2-3 times between morning and late evening.

What the hell went wrong?  why did these shrooms go like this? as far as i could see everything went 100% smoothly ? They have proper thick chunky stems which are solid right through but then these tiny weird caps with mis formed gills, especially the smaller ones are all turned up at the edges ? there didnt really seem to be any seals on them to tear which i why i lost track of when they would be ready and decided to harvest today... also i figured something must be wrong.

Has anyone got any ideas whats wrong so i can try and fix it for the second flush ? Im not even sure if i can eat these?  i mean they smell great but they looked messed up ?


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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: Evillemon]
    #14059960 - 03/03/11 01:06 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

those look like PE to me...  maybe you got a mislabled spore sample?  maybe they aborted late?  the caps look dark..


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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: wow]
    #14059981 - 03/03/11 01:11 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

lol id be incline to agree with you, the online supplier though has never let me down before? usually top quality spore syringes every time! also they dont even stock penis envy ? seems unlikely... :smile:

Yeh the caps are really dark still, i think thats normal for young Golden teachers though, last time i grew them they were dark and then matured into a lovely light golden colour with nice big caps.

If they aborted they wouldnt have kept growing right? these were still growing like over an inch or so every day and night

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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: Evillemon]
    #14060372 - 03/03/11 02:14 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

they definately look like PE...possibly the sponsor purchased the spores from a 3rd party and one got mislabeled..

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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: biologys]
    #14060645 - 03/03/11 03:02 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

same spores as last time?  they do stop growing when they abort..  they have all the traits of PE for sure..  penis shape, the veil, white gills, they look like they didnt drop many spores either?  i think you got lucky and grew PE on accident..  i mean they all look like that not just one or 2.. and like you said everything looked good..  and thats what you got..  id clone the most dick looking one..


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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: Evillemon]
    #14060660 - 03/03/11 03:05 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

They still look tasty! Nice grow :dancer:


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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: Evillemon]
    #14060669 - 03/03/11 03:07 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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Im not even sure if i can eat these?




For sure, send them to me and I'll test them for you. :lol:

I agree with all the above posts...

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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14060758 - 03/03/11 03:22 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

pics of them still on the substrate would have been better.


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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: biologys]
    #14061572 - 03/03/11 05:25 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

thanks for all the replies everyone! well if i got lucky with some PE that would be awesome! these are spores from the same supplier both of GT but not the same syringe so i guess its possible.

The block is dunking right now and ill go for the 2nd flush and then if they look the same again ill post up some more pictures of them growing on the substrate .

Anyone have any comments on that shot of the underside of the caps? it was like the gills were not properly developed? there was no veil on them to tear that i could see and i dont think they dropped any spores although with the casing layer i guess it would have been hard to spot. I was only guessing they were even ready tbh , usually id  go on the veils just starting to break but with these i didnt know wtf to do :smile: lol

cheers peeps ! much love :smile:

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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: Evillemon]
    #14061615 - 03/03/11 05:32 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

i see veil on both pic 4 and 7..  its remnants are still on the rim of the cap..  i think theyre deff PE....  those pics look like penis to me...


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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: wow]
    #14061655 - 03/03/11 05:41 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Maybe they were just on their merry way to becoming massive and you picked em at 50%... hah

Eat em


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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: The_Outsider]
    #14061738 - 03/03/11 05:53 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Looks like a dryout and then an over water, or the reverse.

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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: dharmabum182]
    #14061825 - 03/03/11 06:07 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I'm going to be the first to throw this out there: I don't think they are 'PE.' I've grown PE before and my particular genetics looked nothing like that. I've definitely seen post of ones similar to mine on here and then i've seen some that are noticeably (assumed to be genetic) differences.

Although i've never quite seen any like these. Since its consistent throughout and growing spec seemed right on the money, I would have to guess its some kind of weird recessive, or what not, gene. I don't have any well educated speculations to share but I truely don't think its some penis mix up.

Those gills don't look like they'll produce any spores. Try to print some from the second flush or something. Clone and make it happen again. :thumbup:


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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: Moonraker]
    #14092387 - 03/09/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Right, the 2nd flush just started yesterday, i got some fat looking pins already! hopefully these will turn out normal?

Ill keep everyone posted and put up some pics along the way, its hard to tell but the pins are already looking fatter at the top that the previous tiny shrroms did so hopefully thats a good sign!

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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: Evillemon]
    #14113561 - 03/13/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

well the 2nd flush shrooms were great! absolutely normal , so no idea what caused the first ones to be so weird. The only thing i did was dunk between the 1st and 2nd flush so maybe it was a problem with lack of moisture in the bulk substrate at the time of the first flush???

anyway here are some pics of my Golden Teachers ! dont they look tasty!!!

I notice though that i often have problems, especially in later flushes where no shrooms grow in the middle of the casings only round the outside, like in these pics... anyone know why this is and how i can avoid it ?

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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: Evillemon]
    #14113581 - 03/13/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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That's the classic presentation of insufficient lighting.
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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14113589 - 03/13/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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That's the classic presentation of insufficient lighting.
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Thanks RR ! im using a Marine Glo blue spectrum T5 tube at the moment, do you think i would be better using a sun spectrum higher in the red colour bands ?

I usually have the light on all day whilst im at work so they get a good 8-9 hours of light a day.

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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: Evillemon]
    #14113614 - 03/13/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

U dont want to go to red range of colors...u want blue...6500K is optimal!

EDIT: 12 hrs on/12 hrs off


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Re: What is wrong with these mushrooms ????? [Re: Evillemon]
    #14113729 - 03/13/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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That's the classic presentation of insufficient lighting.
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Thanks RR ! im using a Marine Glo blue spectrum T5 tube at the moment, do you think i would be better using a sun spectrum higher in the red colour bands ?

I usually have the light on all day whilst im at work so they get a good 8-9 hours of light a day.





From what little I could google about the light temperature, that bulb is way outside the desired range. Shoot for 6500k lighting, aka daylight CFL bulbs. They are $5 from CVS, Walgreens and other retailers. You can also get them in standard fluorescent bar format from Home Depot and similar outlets. 

Also, that series of pictures that RR quoted, all of those were picked way too early. With PE, wait until it starts getting bumps on the neck of the stem near the cap. You want them to look like this:



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    #14113939 - 03/13/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Also, that series of pictures that RR quoted, all of those were picked way too early. With PE, wait until it starts getting bumps on the neck of the stem near the cap. You want them to look like this:





Hey thanks for googling that for me, so sounds like a different tube would be helpful, Ill look into it , maybe thats why i cant get my current pink buffalos to pin ??

Those pics which RR commented on are of some mishapen Golden Teachers, the second set of pics i posted is the 2nd flush from the same block ???  lol go figure eh ? not sure what happened to tht first flush

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