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Offlinegnrm23
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Re: Are Elders important? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14056111 - 03/02/11 06:01 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

(hiya markos)
well, some of "us" are in our late 50s to early 60s
(hey, stephen & ina may gaskin gotta be in their early 70s, maybe...)
one thing age may be able to confer (if yr lucky & maybe observant)is a bit of perspective... fwiw...
namaste


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Re: Are Elders important? [Re: gnrm23]
    #14056738 - 03/02/11 08:00 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Hi gnrm23!
Always nice to see you're still about! You were well established in the old S&P forum when I joined in '99, and we were elders even then. Yes perspective. I wonder if there are any others here who know the hippies you're referring to. We're all on the conveyor belt of time, like the last page of BE HERE NOW (sacred # 108): "You're Standing On A Bridge Watching Yourself Go By. (Wow! Look at that!)"


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Are Elders important? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14059055 - 03/03/11 10:08 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

that page freaked me out the first time i read it :lol: but really it's beautiful. Everything is just happening.


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Re: Are Elders important? [Re: Kickle]
    #14072026 - 03/05/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Kickle said:
To a large degree I feel as though the emergence of Elders in my life has been very limited. I mean, there is no tribal circle with an Elder telling stories to the youth. There really is no means in our world that I'm aware of for passing down the wisdom that years of living can cultivate. The internet is of course an ideal place, but often it's so full of bull headed youth that the Elder's congregate together instead of deal with the BS. And that leaves the youth to speak amongst themselves and to push forward making the same mistakes as the Elders already did and could have provided advice about. I dunno... I just feel like we do not value our Elders and often want only to hear what we want to hear and personally I think it's sad. But what about you? Do you think Elder's are to be valued, or are they stuck in the past and need to be moved beyond?



They were more important in small tribal communities. With the rise of globalization our elders have become the Einsteins and the Buddhas. Time and distance doesn't really matter when we can access that information in other ways than stories exchanged over a campfire.


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Re: Are Elders important? [Re: Kickle]
    #14075426 - 03/06/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

As people get older they tend to "perceive" the thing-in-itself, as opposed to the phenomenal object.

The manner that these general intuitions relate to the thing in itself, is either the wisdom of the guru-type, or the prejudice of the crotchety-type.

There you have it.

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Re: Are Elders important? [Re: daytripper23]
    #14075997 - 03/06/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think elders can give good advice but few of us young 'uns listen to it.


Indeed, young people will always repeat the mistakes of the previous generations.  Learning the hard way seems inevitable with many aspects of human life.

I have people in my life who I consider to be 'wise elders' whose words I listen to and whose attitudes I try to understand and often adopt.  Maybe the foremost example of these people is my uncle.  MarkostheGnostic here at the Shroomery would be another such example.

In Romani culture, it is considered a much greater tragedy when a very old person dies than when a very young person dies, because the former takes away so many years worth of unique life experience and wisdom that will never be seen again in the world.  I think it's pretty neat.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Are Elders important? [Re: Lion]
    #14082869 - 03/07/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Lion said:
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I think elders can give good advice but few of us young 'uns listen to it.


Indeed, young people will always repeat the mistakes of the previous generations.  Learning the hard way seems inevitable with many aspects of human life.

I have people in my life who I consider to be 'wise elders' whose words I listen to and whose attitudes I try to understand and often adopt.  Maybe the foremost example of these people is my uncle.  MarkostheGnostic here at the Shroomery would be another such example.

In Romani culture, it is considered a much greater tragedy when a very old person dies than when a very young person dies, because the former takes away so many years worth of unique life experience and wisdom that will never be seen again in the world.  I think it's pretty neat.




:cheers:


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