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When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power
    #14057821 - 03/03/11 12:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So, I hypothesize that in 50 years, the U.S. will no longer be a world power and that we will have gone through yet another World War. It seems that we are beginning the eventual downfall with the over-spending and lack of exports and excessive importing. 

Just as the imperialistic ancient Roman Empire (whom we resemble so much) we will be eventually destroyed by the hands of the barbarians. Who are the barbarians of the modern day you ask? Simply the middle eastern powers who secretly own us due to our addiction of oil.

There are two ways this can end. One being that we survive by only a thread and give up being the world police, excepting isolationism. The other ending is that we are completely destroyed, only to be looked upon a thousand years later as an ancient power that people will forever admire.

Or maybe, in the event of a new World War, we can give into Totalitarianism and sacrifice our every day comfort and rights too keep this country going and eventually reform back into Democracy.

The future will be interesting. :strokebeard2:


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Belac]
    #14057862 - 03/03/11 12:11 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You remember the show "Happy Days?"  I recall an episode where they were going to have a bomb shelter built, but decided they didn't want to live without their friends anyway, so they decided no to do it.  What's my point?  The point is people have been thinking we are going to get into a world war for the past 50 years already, hasn't happened, wont happen, as long as we keep nuclear capabilities away from people who want to use it.

That's why "isolationism" doesn't work, you let things grow until the become unstoppable like a malignant tumor.  Now, I don't know where to draw the line, I was born American, but what if I wasn't?  Tough shit?  They're still people who are being victims of genocide, or what-have-you.

Lastly, if we ever got to the point where we couldn't get what we wanted in the middle-east, there's a crap ton of oil offshore and in Alaska, just a matter of when we have to tap into it.  Sure America will eventually lose the sole superpower title, but not in our life time.

Back to a previous statement of where should our policing of the world stop?  I couldn't tell you, it needs to be done, but we can't afford to do it all forever, just as long as it's for the right reason.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Pony]
    #14057902 - 03/03/11 12:22 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What makes you think that another World War isn't possible? Its very possible and w lifill happen sooner or later, even if it's not in our lifetime. Nuclear weapons have little meaning in reality, simply because they won't be used. Everyone is afraid of a nuclear war, everyone. But thats not to say there won't be another revolution of the way we fight wars.

Regarding isolationism, we don't have to be completely out of world affairs but simply not responsible for the world politics, like the smaller countries.

And for some reason, I think we won't ever use Alaska to its full potential, simply because politicians are stupid. Politics is full of foolish people who don't understand the people and even if they do, they don't care because they are only out for the well being of the country (maintaining our power)


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Belac]
    #14057947 - 03/03/11 12:37 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well it depends on what you call a world war, I call it a collective of the worlds powers fighting each other, which would still mean, France, England, U.S.A..  I don't see that happening.  I don't doubt Korea has nuclear capabilities, but they have no realistic way of getting them here.

Lastly, I have to disagree completely with you on the "Politics are full of foolish people who don't understand the people..." which is really inaccurate.  They understand people so much that they can do foolish/dishonest/immoral acts and still get reelected.  Hilter once said, "How fortunate for leaders that men do not think."  He pretty much well nailed that one on the head.

Just look at it this way, Democrats steal from the rich and give to the poor which secures their vote from the poor.  They even want to let non-U.S. citizens that are over here have the ability to vote (seriously, look it up).  Republicans generally believe in ridiculous morals that they impose on other people.  Though they are equally dishonest from one party to the next.  And realistically, you can argue with me all you want, but Republican's fiscal policies are actually better for the economy, it's just a matter of, how much should we be obligated to help other's out.  But I believe they are worse for social growth.

Long story short, to fix everything, vote Libertarian!  Ha!


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Pony]
    #14057987 - 03/03/11 12:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Well it depends on what you call a world war, I call it a collective of the worlds powers fighting each other, which would still mean, France, England, U.S.A..  I don't see that happening.  I don't doubt Korea has nuclear capabilities, but they have no realistic way of getting them here.




Since WW2 the world powers have shifted and I think we can consider many Middle Eastern countries big enough to be a significant part of a World War. As for North Korea, their a fucking joke and we needn't be worried about them. If they and South Korea get into it things may get interesting though. Think about China and there position between North Korea and the US.

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"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think."  He pretty much well nailed that one on the head.


I agree with Hitler completely, I recommend you read "The Roman" if you like history/reading. It really proves this quote correct. But thats not to say that there aren't politicians who don't understand the people.

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Just look at it this way, Democrats steal from the rich and give to the poor which secures their vote from the poor.  They even want to let non-U.S. citizens that are over here have the ability to vote (seriously, look it up).  Republicans generally believe in ridiculous morals that they impose on other people.  Though they are equally dishonest from one party to the next.  And realistically, you can argue with me all you want, but Republican's fiscal policies are actually better for the economy, it's just a matter of, how much should we be obligated to help other's out.  But I believe they are worse for social growth.




I agree that Republican party has a better idea on economy than Democrats but I strongly believe that both sides have something to bring to the table in terms of both economics and social issues, which is why I consider myself  between the two.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Belac]
    #14058032 - 03/03/11 01:06 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

With the exception of Israel, I don't think any middle-eastern countries even have enough stability within their own government to form any constant threat.

The latter parts I agree with you on, to a certain extent, I have never seen a democrat president's beliefs/policies improve the economy (this is where people yell "Clinton," then I yell, "Google, Ebay, AOL, and every other internet company that boomed because personal computers and cell phones suddenly became common place.)

I have to say all and all (and I know I'm getting off subject a tad), I believe in guns, lower taxes, so couldn't vote for a Democrat, and I think republicans restrict our personal freedoms.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Pony]
    #14058065 - 03/03/11 01:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well the Romans believed that the Germanic tribes and Britons were of no threat, but it turns out they were terribly wrong. And you might be like, "WTF is this guys boner about the Romans?!!?!?!?". But I strongly believe we will share the same fate.

But anyways, I think we can avoid everything if we find ways to get our economy back on track without having to use a totalitarianism total war strategy simply by creating new markets to import. Whether it be alternative fuels or maybe even legal Cannabis.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Belac]
    #14061469 - 03/03/11 05:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

America's barely a world power now.

We're basically flushing what's left of our economy to maintain the trappings of a superpower.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: TGRR] * 1
    #14061521 - 03/03/11 05:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I'm old and got to use up a lot of resources in the heyday.  I'm fine with leaving nothing for the rest of you. :satansmoking:


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Icelander]
    #14061531 - 03/03/11 05:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm old and got to use up a lot of resources in the heyday.  I'm fine with leaving nothing for the rest of you. :satansmoking:




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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: TheThinker]
    #14061534 - 03/03/11 05:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I mean it's not like you're my spawn.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: TheThinker]
    #14061541 - 03/03/11 05:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Not for nothing but what have you done for us old guys?


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14061591 - 03/03/11 05:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Not for nothing but what have you done for us old guys?




Frittered away your social security.

No need to thank us.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: TGRR]
    #14061595 - 03/03/11 05:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Not for nothing but what have you done for us old guys?




Frittered away your social security.

No need to thank us.




Bastard. You know I count on that check. :mad:

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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: TheThinker]
    #14061635 - 03/03/11 05:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Not for nothing but what have you done for us old guys?




Frittered away your social security.

No need to thank us.




Bastard. You know I count on that check. :mad:




Sorry, the Free MarketTM demanded it.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: TGRR]
    #14061712 - 03/03/11 05:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I'll likely get the last of the SS money.  I don't need it but I'm going to take it cause that's the American way. :thumbup:


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Icelander]
    #14061727 - 03/03/11 05:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I'll likely get the last of the SS money.  I don't need it but I'm going to take it cause that's the American way. :thumbup:



Fuck the young:thumbup:


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14061752 - 03/03/11 05:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I'm thinking you're not going to need yours either. :lol:

The young don't need money cause they will create the new world were all is fair and all is shared.

Just like we did in the 60s:rofl2:


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14061759 - 03/03/11 05:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I'll likely get the last of the SS money.  I don't need it but I'm going to take it cause that's the American way. :thumbup:



Fuck the young:thumbup:





S'okay.  When the aged get too numerous, we'll just chuck you on ice floes.

Or make Soylent Green out of you.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: TGRR]
    #14061766 - 03/03/11 05:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I'll likely get the last of the SS money.  I don't need it but I'm going to take it cause that's the American way. :thumbup:



Fuck the young:thumbup:





S'okay.  When the aged get too numerous, we'll just chuck you on ice floes.

Or make Soylent Green out of you.





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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: TGRR]
    #14061773 - 03/03/11 05:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I'll likely get the last of the SS money.  I don't need it but I'm going to take it cause that's the American way. :thumbup:



Fuck the young:thumbup:





S'okay.  When the aged get too numerous, we'll just chuck you on ice floes.

Or make Soylent Green out of you.





Icelander grew up on ice floes.  No problems mate.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Icelander]
    #14064309 - 03/04/11 01:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

America will always be a super power.  AND THE ONLY SUPER POWER.  If you don't believe me, ask those commies in the USSR how that turned out for them.

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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064841 - 03/04/11 06:37 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You  really don't understand logical thinking do you?

You're giving my country a bad name.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Icelander]
    #14066045 - 03/04/11 12:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It wobbles my mind that there are so many ineffectual twats who think they can do anything to us.  Viciousness, experience and guile destroys youth every time.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14066066 - 03/04/11 12:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

whats this about?. I was distracted by Dr Dick Delaware. :vaped:


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14066335 - 03/04/11 01:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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America will always be a super power.  AND THE ONLY SUPER POWER.  If you don't believe me, ask those commies in the USSR how that turned out for them.




I don't know about always, but yeah, for a while.  Yeah, we don't want to get into a nuclear war, but as soon as someone becomes a REAL threat, like we have enemy infantry on our soil, nukes would be used, I don't care what the hippies say or think.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: orison]
    #14069268 - 03/05/11 12:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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whats this about?. I was distracted by Dr Dick Delaware. :vaped:




Ho fuck yeah there it is!


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Belac]
    #14071069 - 03/05/11 01:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

as much as it pains me to say this.. but far from being the beginning of the end of the american empire..it is only the end of the beginning...and to compare us to the roman empire is an insult to the ancient romans.. although it prolly will last at least as long...i would call it the fourth reich.. which will make the third reich seem liberal by comparison...


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Annapurna1]
    #14071082 - 03/05/11 01:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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as much as it pains me to say this.. but far from being the beginning of the end of the american empire..it is only the end of the beginning...and to compare us to the roman empire is an insult to the ancient romans.. although it prolly will last at least as long...i would call it the fourth reich.. which will make the third reich seem liberal by comparison...



The Third Reich was liberal.  National Socialism, baby.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14071286 - 03/05/11 02:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

pushing aside the fact that "national socialism" is not the same thing as "socialism" (nor even a variation on it).. the right is already calling them "liberals"..which proves my point exactly...

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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Annapurna1]
    #14071371 - 03/05/11 03:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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pushing aside the fact that "national socialism" is not the same thing as "socialism" (nor even a variation on it).. the right is already calling them "liberals"..which proves my point exactly...



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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Annapurna1]
    #14072183 - 03/05/11 06:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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pushing aside the fact that "national socialism" is not the same thing as "socialism" (nor even a variation on it).. the right is already calling them "liberals"..which proves my point exactly...




The only difference is racism, so yes it is a variation.


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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Pony]
    #14072505 - 03/05/11 07:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

thats just like calling neoliberalism "liberalism" just because it has the word "liberalism" in it...neoliberalism is of course the exact opposite of liberalism.. similarly with national socialism vs socialism...the comparison doesnt end there either.. since it could be argued that neoliberalism is also a form of national socialism...

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Re: When we are old, we won't be saying that America is a world power [Re: Annapurna1]
    #14072687 - 03/05/11 08:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

ahh, that makes neonazis Jewish?


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