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Canadian Bud
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Safest psychedelic?
#14056931 - 03/02/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am exclusively a stoner, but after reading various trip reports I really have wanted to know what it is like to trip. Now I am looking for the safest psychedelic, preferably natural, I am exclusively a stoner, but after reading various trip reports I really have wanted to know what it is like to trip. Now I am looking for a safe, preferably natural and an available substance that does not cause addiction or any long term affects. I am looking towards shrooms or salvia however I know that you guys are the experts so I hope you can give me some input. Also, I know this might seem nooby but can somebody try to explain to me what a trip really feels like. Does music sound better, do you actually see vivid hallucinations, and overall what should I be expecting. I don't understand really what types of shrooms there are in comparison to my extended knowledge for marijuana so I would appreciate some explanation here. I hope you guys understand where I am coming form because psychedelics are a completely new world for me but I want to explore that hidden part of my identity and reshape my ego.
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Re: Safest psychedelic? [Re: waves]
#14056961 - 03/02/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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LSD and mushrooms are the most studied and they're both safe but I still say LSD overall. The only thing is you might get a more dangerous research chemical instead of LSD, and that doesn't really happen with mushrooms.
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Re: Safest psychedelic? [Re: waves]
#14056965 - 03/02/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah I'd go with 1 hit of LSD for your first experience. I've never had a bad trip on LSD.
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Re: Safest psychedelic? [Re: waves]
#14056974 - 03/02/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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LSD and Shrooms are both equally safe by all accounts. as was said above natural does not=better. I find LSD to be a much clearer and easier to control trip which may be better for a first timer. I tried shrooms first becaouse of availability and I do not regret this choice, but I think that lsd would have been easier to handle. Shrooms are much more in your face and you have less control over the trip it feels.
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Robo
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Mushrooms.
LSD is held in high esteem around here, of course. But there's something funky about it. In MY experience, it has so much potential for shit to go wrong. But everyone reacts to stuff differently!
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I did LSD way before I ever did shrooms, but I think a low-moderate dose of shrooms is a lot kinder than LSD. I think shrooms would be great for a first timer. Shrooms are so much more laid back for me, not to mention the duration is like 6 hours as opposed to 12.
LSD is awesome don't get me wrong, but it can be a lot more stimulating, and overwhelming and lasts an absurd amount of time.
I think they're both fine, as long as you're well researched
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I definitely vote fungus... about 1 1/2- 2 grams for your first time should do you just fine.... just dont fight it, dont panic, and dont do it at a "party"... oh, and for fucks sake dont watch the wall, or any other movies to stimulate the trip... let the trip decide.
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yeah, mushrooms are apparently even safer than smoking cannabis.
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If you want natural experiences then lean more towards mushrooms more than salvia. Salvia can blow your mind out the back of your skull, put all the pieces of gray matter back together and reinsert it back into your noggin before the commercial break is over. Other options I would consider are argyreia nervosa or Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. These contain LSA, a natural brother (maybe redheaded step cousin) to LSD, and are pretty fun as well if you can be prepared for the mild vasoconstrictive properties of the seeds.
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First off, I've never taken either lsd or shrooms but, have taken saliva 20x.
-Salvia hits hard, fast and is over in less than 10 mins or so. Its definetly intense but not super enjoyable like the others might be. Ever have one of those headaches behind your eyes when you have a sinus infection or such? Yeah, that was a side effect for me and it wont go away for a day even with tylenol lol. Thats my limited knowledge.
I don't know which would be better, but looking at standpoint of being able to control the dose of what you intake, I think it would be better suited for the fungi. I don't think you can dose out a certain strength unless you have pure liquid. Granted fungi might have varying potency, you would at least be able to eat small bits(or drink tea?) so in that sense modify your dosage and increase it if you had a level 1 and wanted to reach a level 2+.
Hope that helps in determining your choice.
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Re: Safest psychedelic? [Re: sysD]
#14057943 - 03/03/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would just recommend mushrooms for your first time based on my own ecstatic first exsperience with it
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Re: Safest psychedelic? [Re: sysD]
#14058015 - 03/03/11 12:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sysD said: mescaline.
and the sacred mushrooms as well. either of these.
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I'd say chewing salvia. It's like a high, with a little extra creative range. Fun too. You gotta smoke an extraction to really trip though.
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Re: Safest psychedelic? [Re: maug]
#14058067 - 03/03/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mushrooms are the best choice for a first timer IMO.
Short duration, easy to dose according to your preferences (once you know your sensitivity). I always feel really positive and euphoric on a good first timer dose of mushrooms. Higher doses things can get pretty weird as they can on any psychedelic. At least with mushrooms you will be down within a few hours. Double that for LSD or mescaline. I think that is enough reason to chose it for a first trip.
Don't do salvia, or rather, do whatever you want, but just know, salvia is a threatening and spiteful teacher, mushrooms are gentle and positive with lower doses. The main thing you should understand is that salvia doesn't feel good to most people who try it. Mushrooms on the other hand make you feel great. If you do try salvia first, try not to let it screw up your whole perspective on psychedelics. Salvia is a weird one, its not like anything else and a lot of people who love psychedelics do not like salvia.
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Re: Safest psychedelic? [Re: maug]
#14058072 - 03/03/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not salvia.
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Re: Safest psychedelic? [Re: Glayvin]
#14058079 - 03/03/11 01:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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if your looking for "safe", don't do drugs. if your looking for a new experience, try some.
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All drugs are natural anyway, so go with LSD since it's the most fun.
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maug



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Just to clarify, I recommend chewing salvia because it will give a very small and manageable dose. When you take a higher dose, you can experience the full difference of a drug/plant's personality. Dose matters a lot. If you took a very small dose of meth you might be able to make a good solid argument that it's like coffee, but everyone knows that a high dose of meth is nothing like a cup of coffee. If you wanted to take a higher dose for the first time, beyond a first time taking anything, then I would recommend mushrooms. I seem to be oddly fine with salvia's ways, but most people don't like smoking it.
People like to smoke it, so they can join the club and pay their dues in less than 10 minutes (referring to the youtube crowd). Chewing is more like an hour lying in bed. My experience would put it next to a strong sativa.
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it is also least toxic at all reasonable dosages, I wish it were more available. next to that salvia is non-toxic at all reasonable dosages, not as much "fun" but people are constantly overdosing and not being physically hurt by the experience. toxicity is a bit of a reminder feature to dose smartly. with lsd and salvia you have to remind yourself
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I don't know if you're saying that lsd and mushrooms are toxic but they're definitely not. The most physically dangerous drug in discussion here is almost definitely mescaline. But then again I don't know much about salvia, I wouldn't necessarily trust it to be a totally benign thing based on the way it made me feel but so far I haven't heard anything bad about it.
Mescaline might be the "safest" if you're talking about avoiding a bad trip (or might not) but if you're talking about actual physical toxicity mescaline is much more dangerous than LSD or mushrooms.
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My vote is definitively with mushrooms.
I agree the LSD high is easier to control, but can also be quite confusing at times as well. During those times of confusion, which can happen on any psychedelic really, you'd rather be on a drug that is only gonna last max 6 hours. Also I think its much easier to measure dose and know that your getting clean shit with mushies rather than cid.
I certainly wouldn't recommend smoking any psy's first time round for obvious reasons - it hits way harder and way faster...
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Re: Safest psychedelic? [Re: jimmystubs]
#14058287 - 03/03/11 02:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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haha, I was 14 once asking the same question. Whichever one is the easiest to obtain haha. Hint, all the illegal ones are supposedly the funniest, but they is just because they are illegal. A lot of them all do the same thing. Slight differences between DMT, LSD, Mushrooms, Mescaline and the inferior Cannabis.
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Re: Safest psychedelic? [Re: iluvfungi] 1
#14058307 - 03/03/11 03:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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iluvfungi said: Slight differences between DMT, LSD, Mushrooms, Mescaline and the inferior Cannabis.
? Wtf, maybe there are 'slight' differences between LSD mushrooms and mescaline, but DMT and cannabis don't even belong in the same sentence.
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Re: Safest psychedelic? [Re: drr]
#14058320 - 03/03/11 03:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you questioning the higher level life form's psychedelic expertise?
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Re: Safest psychedelic? [Re: drr]
#14058324 - 03/03/11 03:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushrooms and lsd can both make people flip their lid. i'd start with a mid range dose of 4-aco-dmt. no nausea, no confusion and all the fun of mushrooms. then i'd recommend taking a large dose the next time if you're comfortable.
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All my friends did Salvia before any other psychedelic. Now they're scared. as. shit. of them... 
Salvia sends the wrong message about altering the mind.
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