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Offlinegivememyusername
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To case or not to case that is the question.
    #14052742 - 03/02/11 03:26 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

this is going to be my first monotub and i have a few questions ive been reading around and it seems like many people agree that its not necessary to have a casing layer with a monotub im using a CC substrate and plan to switch to WBS later if i do decide to not use a casing layer do i just lay my sub down 2 inches in depth or more? do i have to let it incubate more after i have crumbled my substrate and layed it down before i fruit it? and also if i dont case should i expect a smaller yield?

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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: givememyusername]
    #14053041 - 03/02/11 06:53 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

What's CC?


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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14053198 - 03/02/11 07:59 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

coco coir?

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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: krum]
    #14053208 - 03/02/11 08:06 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

it sounds like you're crumbling PF cakes to coir, which is usually ill advised, fruit cakes as cakes.  Spawn your wbs to coir when its ready as per any number of teks out there.  Depending on the strain you're fruiting a casing layer may or may not be needed, not the fact that you're trying to use a mono.  Casing layer won't affect the yeild, genetics will though.  A casing layer only will increase your initial pinset therefore your first flush.

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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14053233 - 03/02/11 08:15 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

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What's CC?



I'd normally guess coir like Mr. Krum, but since the poster said he'd like to switch to WBS from CC, I would stipulate that cracked corn is the culprit. I've worked with it before, and I've made it work. But ever since I switched to rye, I never thought of looking back.

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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: Gonkulator]
    #14056075 - 03/02/11 05:55 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

CC- cracked corn sorry

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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: Gonkulator]
    #14056099 - 03/02/11 05:59 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

so not casing cracked corn would be ill advised? answers to my other questions would be greatly appreciated:blush:

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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: givememyusername]
    #14056408 - 03/02/11 06:59 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

if its your first time with a monotub dont case just to get a feel for it. You risk extra contamination by casing.


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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: givememyusername]
    #14056722 - 03/02/11 07:58 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

I think you might be confusing the terms. Either that or I'm confused by your wording.

When you say substrate, I think you are referring to spawn. Cracked Corn is not a substrate, its a grain that, once it is completely colonized, it is "spawned" TO a substrate.

A substrate will expand the mycelium by providing more material to colonize as well as more nutrition, but it is not as nutritious as the grain itself. IT is usually something like horse manure or coco coir or straw, etc.

A casing is a non nutritious material that is used to retain proper humidity on the surface of your substrate or grain.

If you mean to say that you are using the cracked corn as is, without spawning it to substrate, then I think it is better to turn that tub into a shotgun terrarium and put the crumbled CC in a tray and cover with a casing.

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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: KingMob]
    #14056774 - 03/02/11 08:06 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

You could case cracked corn, but you'd be better off to spawn it.
But corn would be my last choice for grains. Go get rye.
Rye is the easiest to get right the first time. Rye gives the best results.
Rye grain holds the most moisture to provide resources for fruiting.

Rye is the grain you are looking for.
And you want to spawn it.
To coir/verm/gypsum.
Uncased.


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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: givememyusername]
    #14056789 - 03/02/11 08:09 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

To answer the original question, if you're using corn as a substrate rather than spawn, it must be cased to fruit.  As already said, corn is the worst choice for either a spawn or a substrate, but if you're determined to use it, then it must be cased.
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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14056812 - 03/02/11 08:13 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

:whathesaid:

RR, in terms of terminology, the grain would be called a substrate if used by itself to fruit?

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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: KingMob]
    #14056970 - 03/02/11 08:43 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

Correct.  Grains are spawn when used to expand mycelium and/or inoculate bulk, but they're called substrate when cased and fruited.
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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14057116 - 03/02/11 09:16 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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Correct.  Grains are spawn when used to expand mycelium and/or inoculate bulk, but they're called substrate when cased and fruited.
RR




Cool, thanks.

My bad OP, I wasn't aware of that bit of info. CC IS your substrate.

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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: KingMob]
    #14060074 - 03/03/11 01:27 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

its all good getting some good knowledge here the problem for me is that rye is not readily available(i cant fucking find it-_-) whats everyones opinions on using WBS to spawn bulk in a mono tub?

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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: givememyusername]
    #14060103 - 03/03/11 01:33 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

WBS works just fine. Its much better than CC.

WBS spawn to bulk is great! Bigger flushes and more potent too.

Just make sure you get the grain moisture right.

And you need to PC for 90 mins at least.

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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: givememyusername]
    #14060105 - 03/03/11 01:33 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

What part of the world are you in?

WBS is ok, I use it. But rye is easier and better and you should use it to get started for sure.


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Re: To case or not to case that is the question. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14060116 - 03/03/11 01:35 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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What part of the world are you in?

WBS is ok, I use it. But rye is easier and better and you should use it to get started for sure.




I actually can't get Rye here either Doc. And I have tried many times.
In fact, I can't even get jars easily.

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    #14060199 - 03/03/11 01:47 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Where are you?


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    #14061420 - 03/03/11 05:03 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

A tropical island. In the greater antilles. :grin:

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