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OregonChronic
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Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems
#14054856 - 03/02/11 02:04 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Ive picked and dried cyanescens and they dried pretty quick but drying cubensis is a bitch compared to cyans. The big fat stemmed ones take forever to dry and the stems almost stay wet for more than a few days. I even ripped the stem open on one i picked lastnight so it would dry quicker and it is drying WAY quicker.
What should i do with a cubensi thats been under the fan for 2-3 days and the stem is still clearly wet. Should i cut a slit in the stem to dry it quicker? Or just put them in a desiccant chamber while that wet?
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Odd
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Does cutting the stems do any harm? I sliced my last grow in small spaghetti pieces, looks better and drys fast, not sure if it was a good idea but i don't see a way that could harm them.
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Odd]
#14054933 - 03/02/11 02:21 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Split stems in half to dry faster. Large caps can also be cut in half or fourths to make them smaller. RR
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OregonChronic
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Odd]
#14054984 - 03/02/11 02:28 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Well the most it would do is oxidize the psilocin making it stain really blue and most likely less potent the more blue it goes...
I cut the wet ass stem open on one of them and it was DARK blue on the inside of the stem and wet. The stems are taking forever to dry just under a fan. I think i might slit all the stems open so they dry quicker. Thnx RR
What could i use as a desiccant? Other than silica gel packs? I remember reading somewhere someone baked epsom salt in the oven to dry it out and use it as a desiccant?
Will that work or is there any other ghetto ways of dessicanting?
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There's a few different types of desiccant, like activated clay, calcium chloride, and calcium sulfate (gypsum) too, actually, but silica gel is probably the easiest to find and use for your purposes.
Why don't you want to use the silica gel packets?
If I were you, i'd invest in a decent dehydrator. Or two. You really can't go wrong if you intend on keeping with this hobby. Just my
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a hot lightbulb and a pc fan, with a screen suspende over a pan of silica cat litter. rig it all up inside an old tub or cardboard box. i did it that way untill i found a cheap dehydrator at salvation army.
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OregonChronic
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Can i use this silica gel desiccant called "Cannette Sorb-It" in an airtight container? Thats my shirt threads its sitting on to give a size comparison
There is tiny tiny holes in the top to let air/moisture in but the holes seem to small...
Can i just put this thing in the bottom of a mason jar and put the mushrooms in and seal and expect it to suck the moisture out?
How exactly "airtight" does the container have to be? How long would i have to leave in the desiccant chamber?
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if you have about 100 of them maybe. sad, i know, but i've gone through the shoe department at wal-mart taking the little silica packets out of the shoeboxes. but really, you can get a bucket of the same stuff in the form of cat litter for about $10. it has color indicating beads and can be regenerated in an oven when the blue beads turn pink.
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Are you in the U.S.? If so they sell DAMP RID at all home depot's, and lowes, and also in most wal marts, publix carries it, shit it's everywhere. Plus it's cheap and effective as hell. Otherwise get a food dehydrator at wally world or sears....Also if it's not near your grow area, a space heater behind the small fan will increase drying dramatically, if used carefully. I found this out inadvertently while heating the grow room during the winter.
And for fuck's sake quit pillaging shoe boxes
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Harold Hole]
#14056261 - 03/02/11 06:30 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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damp rid can't be regenerated like silica and drierite therefore damp-rid eats my balls. but yeah, some sort of heat source behind a fan is basically a ghetto dehydrator and works.
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Harold Hole
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Thats funny.... damp rid is like 9 bucks for a bucket, and if your drying box is sealed, that shit will last for fucking 6 months. So to avoid either the 9 bucks or switching it out you bake and microwave regenerateable stuff. I was just making a recommendation, I've looked for and never even found dri-right here. I can say I dry a hefty amount of shit and my drying cooler nearly always cracker dries in 24 hrs, and I haven't changed that shit in forever. Plus dont you have to bake that regeneratable shit for hours, or microwave forever? Sounds like that "eats balls" to me
Edited by Harold Hole (03/02/11 06:52 PM)
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Harold Hole]
#14056376 - 03/02/11 06:53 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Harold Hole said: Thats funny.... damp rid is like 9 bucks for a bucket, and if your drying box is sealed, that shit will last for fucking 6 months. So to avoid either the 9 bucks or switching it out you bake and microwave regenerateable stuff. I was just making a recommendation, I've looked for and never even found dri-right here. I can say I dry a hefty amount of shit and my drying cooler nearly always cracker dries in 24 hrs, and I haven't changed that shit in forever. Plus dont you have to bake that regeneratable shit for hours, or microwave forever? Sounds like that "eats balls" to me
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Hakim0777]
#14056446 - 03/02/11 07:08 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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if i remember correctly, its like 45 minutes at 450f for drierite, 20 minutes at 250f for silica. i had to order the drierite online, works the best out of the 3 but for the price $25 for 5 lbs, plus shipping) you might as well shell out for a dehydrator. ime silica beads are the best bet, i should say i was trying to use the damprid during a very humid summer, which probably shortened its effectiveness. but i dont like how it turns to liquid and was always wondering if the shrooms re-absorb the liquid. but in the end if i had known how much faster and easier a food dehydrator is to use i would have bought one from the rip. check thrift stores, i got my excalibur 5 tray for $3.99.
Edited by Fungal growth (03/02/11 07:12 PM)
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Harold Hole
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Fungal growth said: if i remember correctly, its like 45 minutes at 450f for drierite, 20 minutes at 250f for silica. i had to order the drierite online, works the best out of the 3 but for the price $25 for 5 lbs, plus shipping) you might as well shell out for a dehydrator. ime silica beads are the best bet, i should say i was trying to use the damprid during a very humid summer, which probably shortened its effectiveness. but i dont like how it turns to liquid and was always wondering if the shrooms re-absorb the liquid. but in the end if i had known how much faster and easier a food dehydrator is to use i would have bought one from the rip. check thrift stores, i got my excalibur 5 tray for $3.99.
See, using the power, taking the time to heat up my oven to bake some chemicle desiccant for nearly an hour, waiting for it to cool, this all sounds like shit i have to do. Im at the hardware store all the time anyways, so I'll pay 9 bucks, dump my old shit, and pour in new. Job done. Plus dirt and shit sometimes gets in there so what do you do, wash AND bake your rechargeable stuff? Sounds super
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Harold Hole]
#14056810 - 03/02/11 08:12 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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One additional word:
If you are concerned about the chemical content of these materials, then I have heard nothing to be concerned about, except for the blue beads. They use a cobalt based material (an isotope?) which is unhealthy.
No worries. Just do not let your fruits touch them.
Take care,
JD
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Harold Hole]
#14056842 - 03/02/11 08:19 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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y the hell would you wash desiccant? anyways, i meant no offense, i just dont care for damp-rid. im cheap, and would rather make a single purchase and recycle what i buy rather than toss it out and buy more. you use it for a week, pop it in the oven, take it out and repeat. if dirt falls in your desiccant so what? your shrooms shouldnt be touching it anyway. i guess it depends which you would rather spend, time or money.
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I slice my stems in 8...
Caps I DOnt cut though
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Patlal]
#14057033 - 03/02/11 08:57 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Fungal growth said: y the hell would you wash desiccant? anyways, i meant no offense, i just dont care for damp-rid. im cheap, and would rather make a single purchase and recycle what i buy rather than toss it out and buy more. you use it for a week, pop it in the oven, take it out and repeat. if dirt falls in your desiccant so what? your shrooms shouldnt be touching it anyway. i guess it depends which you would rather spend, time or money.
I should have said "clean" not "wash", sorry... too much dank. Of course my fruits dont touch my desiccant, although they do sit directly above it, so of course shit falls on it just like most large desiccant chambers, and over time without any sort of method to clean it must become filthy. I just didn't think the 10 dollar cost of damp rid would be a problem for anyone requiring a huge mushroom dryer, lmao, although as anyone who is serious in this hobby knows, time is very valuable. I work full time, and am a full time mycologist among several other things. I am already a slave to my research and like most busy bulk growers would tell you, time IS money. And also if you have your oven on for 4 extra hours per month, don't you think it's costing you more in electricity, then it costs me in desiccant, therefore making the cheapness superfulous? JUST SAYIN
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Javadog said: One additional word:
If you are concerned about the chemical content of these materials, then I have heard nothing to be concerned about, except for the blue beads. They use a cobalt based material (an isotope?) which is unhealthy.
No worries. Just do not let your fruits touch them.
Take care,
JD
Arent these the same type of chemicals that are in shoe boxes in the packets that clearly say DO NOT EAT ? Don't you eat things cooked in your oven? I'm still not sure I want to bake chemicals in my oven or microwave, when i regularily eat things that spend hours in there....
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Harold Hole]
#14057394 - 03/02/11 10:17 PM (13 years, 19 days ago) |
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Not at the same time anyway....
I found this:
"Be aware that the silica dust is not good for you if inhaled and that the cobalt indicator is thought to be a carcinogen so don't regenerate the gel in the oven with your food."
Good luck,
JD
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Javadog]
#14058439 - 03/03/11 04:59 AM (13 years, 19 days ago) |
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Javadog said: Not at the same time anyway....
I found this:
"Be aware that the silica dust is not good for you if inhaled and that the cobalt indicator is thought to be a carcinogen so don't regenerate the gel in the oven with your food."
Good luck,
JD
Exactly, so don't you think during the baking process, your dusty desiccant will leave dusty desiccant residue inside your oven, which could easily fall on say, a turkey? Now your munching down dessica-turkey, and your busting your ass to bake desiccant. I'm sorry, but this rechargeable stuff just seems silly...
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Harold Hole]
#14062433 - 03/03/11 07:41 PM (13 years, 19 days ago) |
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i guess....something here sure seems silly..... it takes less than a half hour to regenerate one and less than an hour for the other. i can do it while watching television. hardly busting ass. it takes about that long to go to the hardware store, longer for some of us. on top of that, it costs $10.
Edited by Fungal growth (03/03/11 07:42 PM)
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Harold Hole
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Like i said I prefer not to risk contaminating my food with carcinogenic powders(even on a minuscule scale), and don't have time to change out my chamber weekly. For those of us who work full time, and are full time amateur mycologists, plus all the other things I do, why hassle with it at all? I mean cmon man 9 dollars? What kind of poor ass mushroom grower are you if 9 dollars makes a difference? Stop being such a tight ass, I say. I guess if you are only exploring mycology as a hobby it would be more feasible, but if you are serious about bulk growing, you know as well as i do that you piss 10$, and besides if you really are poor as dirt, why spend 25-40 bones on some shit you'll have to maintain weekly, when you could take far less of your only money and get a way higher quantity of something low maintenance. Not to mention the 9/10 dollar price is for an entire bucket of damp rid; a beginner or journeyman mycologist won't even need a dryer that size, and a single bag of damp rid is like 3.95. 4 bucks. Nothing. Also, like I said time IS money. In the time it takes you in a month drying, and re-drying your desiccant(2.5-4 hrs/month), I could prepare, pressure cook, AND inoculate 2 entire rounds of grain jars(thats nearly 20 extra spawn jars)....all while you dick with your desiccant, something I don't even have to bother with other than a few times annually. That 10 dollars is like every 3-6 months. Plus what, does your desiccant last forever eternally? I doubt it. It to, will have to be replaced some day. And a single small application of the regenerateable stuff can cost 3-5 times what a huge amount of damp rid costs, and is far less readily available. I may have to go to the hardware store a few times per year but who doesn't? Plus they sell the shit EVEN CHEAPER online so not wanting to venture outside to the hardware store is hardly a pertinent argument. Whats silly is people who choose to add more senseless, weekly, never ending labor to their research cycle when it is not necessary. My damp rid chamber can bone dry in 12-24 hrs. Can your food dehydrator, or rechargeable desiccant do that either? I doubt it.
Edited by Harold Hole (03/04/11 07:58 AM)
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Harold Hole]
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Harold Hole said: Like i said I prefer not to risk contaminating my food with carcinogenic powders(even on a minuscule scale), and don't have time to change out my chamber weekly. For those of us who work full time, and are full time amateur mycologists, plus all the other things I do, why hassle with it at all? I mean cmon man 9 dollars? What kind of poor ass mushroom grower are you if 9 dollars makes a difference? Stop being such a tight ass, I say. I guess if you are only exploring mycology as a hobby it would be more feasible, but if you are serious about bulk growing, you know as well as i do that you piss 10$, and besides if you really are poor as dirt, why spend 25-40 bones on some shit you'll have to maintain weekly, when you could take far less of your only money and get a way higher quantity of something low maintenance. Not to mention the 9/10 dollar price is for an entire bucket of damp rid; a beginner or journeyman mycologist won't even need a dryer that size, and a single bag of damp rid is like 3.95. 4 bucks. Nothing. Also, like I said time IS money. In the time it takes you in a month drying, and re-drying your desiccant(2.5-4 hrs/month), I could prepare, pressure cook, AND inoculate 2 entire rounds of grain jars(thats nearly 20 extra spawn jars)....all while you dick with your desiccant, something I don't even have to bother with other than a few times annually. That 10 dollars is like every 3-6 months. Plus what, does your desiccant last forever eternally? I doubt it. It to, will have to be replaced some day. And a single small application of the regenerateable stuff can cost 3-5 times what a huge amount of damp rid costs, and is far less readily available. I may have to go to the hardware store a few times per year but who doesn't? Plus they sell the shit EVEN CHEAPER online so not wanting to venture outside to the hardware store is hardly a pertinent argument. Whats silly is people who choose to add more senseless, weekly, never ending labor to their research cycle when it is not necessary. My damp rid chamber can bone dry in 12-24 hrs. Can your food dehydrator, or rechargeable desiccant do that either? I doubt it.
my food dehydrator dries a half-pound to snapper cracker dry in 4-6 hrs. i didnt mean to upset you. its just that not only is my dick bigger than yours, but my dad can beat up your dad, and im banging your girl/boyfriend.
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Harold Hole
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Fungal growth said:
my dick bigger than yours
Thats impossible, I have the omega cock. If you need further evidence just ask your mother, she knows all about harry hole.( I could technically be your dad, but so could half of the city you live in)
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Fungal growth said: my dad can beat up your dad,
That is also impossible, as my father is Zeus the thunder god, and is immortal. Shortly after you read this lightning will descend on your trailer park.
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Fungal growth said: im banging your girl/boyfriend.
At least someone is. Maybe that bitch will lighten up.
but hey , on the upside, you still make me all when you tongue my ballsack.
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Harold Hole]
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that wasnt me, your dad and i switched up right before your sack got tongue. i didnt realize thats what happened when i left the room. i guess as long as your over 18 its none of my business. but still.....nasty....
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Harold Hole
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You're comebacks are as juvenile and petty as your bald little wee wee. I can see why you opted out of the rating system, as you would have surely been bombarded with general ratings revealing what a poor, molested youth with down syndrome and a crack habit can do to a place as sacred as mush cult. You're probably a police officer. I've had enough of explaining all the ways you're wrong, and you probably have clients waiting for you in dungeon(They paid to see the gimp, just cuz you blew up the money already on crack rocks and valtrex doesn't mean you can no show)so please kindly fuck off and go bake/eat some desiccant
further evidence of your incredible faggotry
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sad, i know, but i've gone through the shoe department at wal-mart taking the little silica packets out of the shoeboxes. but really, you can get a bucket of the same stuff in the form of cat litter for about $10. it has color indicating beads and can be regenerated in an oven when the blue beads turn pink.
You steal desiccant packets from wal mart shoe boxes, and recommend cat litter as a drying agent. Awesome. Truly epic.
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Harold Hole]
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wow. your right dude, i cant possibly win against your witty assumptions. of course, admitting to doing something in the past isnt the same as recommending it. but that seems to be beside the point. theres one thing for sure, a hairy hole is truly a cunt.
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Harold Hole]
#14066179 - 03/04/11 12:53 PM (13 years, 18 days ago) |
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I just keep a nice Stanley FatMax box cutter by my FC, and just put slices into the stem. When they dry, you can barely tell they've been tampered with.
I had no idea that the blueing on shrooms means it's going to lose potency???!!! Can someone link me to a reason why that is?
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Fungal growth said: wow. your right dude, i cant possibly win against your witty assumptions. of course, admitting to doing something in the past isnt the same as recommending it. but that seems to be beside the point. theres one thing for sure, a hairy hole is truly a cunt.
Wow if you hadn't opted out like a butthurt loser, maybe you could leave that little intellectual gem in my ratings
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Harold Hole]
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why do you care so much about ratings? i opted out because, well, i dont. kids such as yourself is why i dont. im sure you would LOVE to leave me some retarded rating just because damp rid eats balls, as if thats my fault. do you hold stock with the company or something? i mean, damn! talk about butthurt...... ill tell you what though, since its SO important to you, post whatever insult you want to and ill quote it in my sig for you.
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Harold Hole
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All right go with
"Smell my tuna"
That should confuse people
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Re: Drying Cubensis Fat Wet Stems [Re: Harold Hole]
#14066446 - 03/04/11 01:55 PM (13 years, 18 days ago) |
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done.
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