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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: Bom_Tombadil]
    #14097285 - 03/10/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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All you have to do is soak 24 hours then drain and PC KEEP IT SIMPLE. IF you keep things SIMPLE you will have massive success.




well, if boiling water is not "simple" to you, then i dont know what to tell you.. haha.. i do it, because it cuts the time that i have to let it soak down..

again, if boiling water, pouring in seed, removing from heat, and covering is not simple, then just quit life, cause things get alot harder than that.. hahahaha

^^^i was joking..

yes.. sitting 24 hours is good, but if you are busy and want to get it done quicker, a 4 hour soak in water that started hot, is faster than a 24 hour soak in cold water.. and that can be the determining factor for some people.. lol..


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: cyanara]
    #14097291 - 03/10/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hummm interesting.


I've had problems with wbs being too wet.  Then again, I treated it like rye.  Maybe its time to feed some burdies


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14097300 - 03/10/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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All you have to do is soak 24 hours then drain and PC KEEP IT SIMPLE. IF you keep things SIMPLE you will have massive success.



i've tried this with red milo and it seems not to want to hydrate.
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oh yeah.. i didnt make this up.. its FooManShroom's tek.. at least his tek is the way i learned about it.. :laugh:



1 hour didn't seem to do it so i left it for about 2 with the red milo and it seemed to work.

correct me if I'm wrong but just boil the water, once boiling remove from heat and add grain, cover and let sit?
also I don't add gypsum it seems to cause more trouble for me than is worth. I just pulled a batch of straight millet after about a 45-60 steep and 5% of the grains have burst.


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14097312 - 03/10/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if you add room temp grain to boiling water, they will all explode. I dont think thats right


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: cyanara]
    #14097318 - 03/10/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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correct me if I'm wrong but just boil the water, once boiling remove from heat and add grain, cover and let sit?





yes.. thats it.. like i said, i let mine sit a couple of hours..

now, hydrating the grain is NOT what makes it too wet.. its how you strain it.. paper towels, dish towel, whatever.. needs to be dry on the outside, and crushable with you fingernail.. I actually find that steeping doesnt get them as soft, so i just take a kernel or 2 and stick it in my mouth, and have a little nibble.. it should easily break with your teeth..

for comparison, take a piece of WBS from the bag (un prepared) and a piece from your soaked grain.. bite the dry piece, then bite the wet piece.. you will notice the difference right off the bat..

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1 hour didn't seem to do it so i left it for about 2 with the red milo and it seemed to work.





that is why i let it sit longer in the water.. 3-4 hours works great for me..

i dont add anything to my WBS.. nothing. nada.. just wbs, prep'd right, and strained right..


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14097324 - 03/10/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if you add room temp grain to boiling water, they will all explode. I dont think thats right





incorrect.. i have 9 jars that were prepped this way that I can take pics of real quick.. brb


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14097342 - 03/10/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

paper towels? dish towels?  you are definitely leaving something out.


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14097365 - 03/10/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

all of these were made the same way, using the same method.. Z-strain, day 9, MS inoc., 24 hours after shake.




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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14097381 - 03/10/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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paper towels? dish towels?  you are definitely leaving something out.




nope.. not a damn thing.. nothing..

boil water

pour in WBS

cover

remove from heat

let sit for at least 2 hours, or more

strain VERY well.. until dry on the outside

load

pc

noc up

enjoy..

not leaving anything out..


sorry for the size of the pics and blurriness.. stupid phones camera sucks..


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14097412 - 03/10/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

now give your best of, inoculation methods :thumbup:


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14097417 - 03/10/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what is your contame rate? how do you strain? and what is your handeling method after you pc? how long do you pc?
I've had my milo right now as we speak in the pot for 30 minutes aprox and they are alot softer then if I had added gypsum.. it might work for rye but doesn't seem so for milo


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: cyanara]
    #14097453 - 03/10/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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what is your contame rate? how do you strain? and what is your handeling method after you pc? how long do you pc?
I've had my milo right now as we speak in the pot for 30 minutes aprox and they are alot softer then if I had added gypsum.. it might work for rye but doesn't seem so for milo




contam rate = 0%

I am not kidding in any way, shape, or form.. i dont remember the last time i had a contam.. in my FC, or my jars.. its all about procedure and prep.. and ounce of prevention is worth a KILO of cure..

I strain in a colander or strain.. a meat strainer works the best.. let it sit, and about every 20 minutes or so, move it around with your hands or something, to distribute the wet and dry kernels throughout the mixture.. it usually takes anywhere from an hour to 2 hours to strain completely.. during the winter, because RH is higher, i put a fan on the strainer as it strains, helping to dry off the outside..

you can also lay it all out on a towel or paper towels to dry it up faster.. it doesnt matter how, but the OUTSIDE needs to be pretty much dry, while the inside is hydrated..

if i take a handful of WBS, and squeeze (not hard.. just enough to ball it up), and let go, 95% of the seed should NOT be stuck to my hand.. if it is, its not dry enough..

I leave my jars in the PC overnight.. i prep grain during the day, PC in the afternoon, let sit till the next morning, and inoculate that morning..

i dont have a still-air box (yet), and have been doing open air inoculations, and still have ZERO contams.. I also where a mask, shower, clean everything, gloves sterilized with rubbing alcohol, clorox spray, etc.. my work/grow area is insanely clean..


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14097457 - 03/10/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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paper towels? dish towels?  you are definitely leaving something out.




still think i left something out? haha :laugh: :laugh:


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14097461 - 03/10/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

seems you meant to say that if you fuck up, you dry them with paper towels.


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14097473 - 03/10/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14097490 - 03/10/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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seems you meant to say that if you fuck up, you dry them with paper towels.




nope.. thats not what I said.. lol..

its just another method of drying the outside of the grain.. thats it..

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you can also lay it all out on a towel or paper towels to dry it up faster.. it doesnt matter how, but the OUTSIDE needs to be pretty much dry, while the inside is hydrated..






notice the last part? you just have to get the outside dry.. thats it.. i dont care if its with a fan, paper towels, or the gust of a thousand winds, it just has to be hydrated, while dry on the outside..

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if i take a handful of WBS, and squeeze (not hard.. just enough to ball it up), and let go, 95% of the seed should NOT be stuck to my hand.. if it is, its not dry enough..




^^^^^if you get that results after prepping the grain, you are ready to PC..


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14097491 - 03/10/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: penhed]
    #14097494 - 03/10/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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hair dryer




hahaha.. see? ANY way that you can think of.. there are so many ways to do that part of the procedure, it will make your head spin.. lol..


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14097506 - 03/10/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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that would make the prep awful




um, what do you mean make the prep awful? please explain what you mean..

because, as you can see from the pics, the grains turned out perfect.. pictures dont lie.. they are colonizing, have no smell, no burst grains, and no contams..

so yeah.. what is awful?


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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14097509 - 03/10/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just soak the WBS in the hottest tap water that comes out the faucet... after about 4-6 hours I'll strain it and repeat the hot water soak once more for another 4+ hours...(repeat as many times as desired)

after the final soak, while straining(the now cold water), I wash the grain with hot water once more to help steam-dry the outside of grain for jar/bag prep. before the PC step. (this helps with the excess moisture some people encounter)

this is just how I do it, I'm not trying to convince anyone that this method is faster or better... it just fits my schedule better to maintain this process... and I like the results :smile2:

I agree that the longer the soak, the more burst grains you will encounter after PC'ing... But I have also not had any problems with colonizing burst grains either :shrug:


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