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The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style.
#14054669 - 03/02/11 01:35 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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What grain type or mix of grain type is your favorite to run your mycelium out on, no matter what species you grow, I want to hear what your grain spawn of choice is for said specie and why.
Please let me know if you feel that I'v forgotten any grain types of choice and the original poll'll be edited for more options. Also, let us know if you have discovered any grain type that is not standard-average that you have found mycelium to run on for the specific specie you'r involved in cultivating.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: hamloaf]
#14054703 - 03/02/11 01:40 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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Rye is good if you want a grain that will potentially dry out a little. You can control the hydration very well by your soak and boil time.
long soak and boil for MS inoc
short soak and boil for liquid media inoculations.
Rye gives you full control over your spawn moisture which makes it the most versatile. Bacteria is the most common contamination for an experienced grower, and one of the main causes is spawn that is too wet. It also doesn't make your lab smell like a farm.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: dmonkey1]
#14054803 - 03/02/11 01:56 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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rye/wbs combo !
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: ar1es]
#14054833 - 03/02/11 02:01 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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Rye for overall performance and reliability.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: Ozzy]
#14054847 - 03/02/11 02:03 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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never got around to trying rye, went from popcorn to WBS, loved performance and easy prep so just stuck with it..
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: biologys]
#14054877 - 03/02/11 02:09 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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WBS is a great spawn material. However it takes almost triple the amount of time to prepare properly.
Rye costs much more than wbs where I am, but I pay the extra for the convenience of prep, very uniform appearance and mild smell
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: biologys]
#14054879 - 03/02/11 02:09 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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I recently switched from WBS to wheat berries and I do not think I will be able to go back. The WBS mixes I get are always dirty, have grain chips in them, or at least one item that I have to pick or sieve out.
For ease of use and consistent results I am going to have to go with rye or wheat berries.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14054885 - 03/02/11 02:11 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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now. where to fuck can I buy spring rye on the east coast?
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: dmonkey1]
#14096401 - 03/10/11 05:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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For cubensis cultivation, I like rye in the winter and WBS in the summer. The larger grain size of rye makes for a slower release of moisture from the grain when you'r trying to get your substrate to release moisture slower due to the arid winter months of certain regions.
As far as nutrition, I find rye to be more nutritious then WBS but I'v found cloned mushroom mycelium to colonize WBS faster than rye every time. Even faster colonization by 2-3 days is noticed when grains are set to a ciradian rhythm.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: hamloaf]
#14096423 - 03/10/11 05:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I use pop corn. Lots of experienced growers tell its an easy contaminated grain, but hey, that works for me until the third flush without any problem  Because pop corn grains are not passing through my colander as rice do, i stick with it.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: dmonkey1]
#14096428 - 03/10/11 05:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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dmonkey1 said: Rye is good if you want a grain that will potentially dry out a little. You can control the hydration very well by your soak and boil time.
long soak and boil for MS inoc
short soak and boil for liquid media inoculations.
Rye gives you full control over your spawn moisture which makes it the most versatile. Bacteria is the most common contamination for an experienced grower, and one of the main causes is spawn that is too wet. It also doesn't make your lab smell like a farm.
My rye doesn't dry out unless I use wide mouth jars in the winter. They are fine for the summer but when the humidity drops in the winter I have go to regular mouth of my rye dries out.
My weed does the same thing. In the winter it stays in the regular mouth canning jars
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: mill]
#14096434 - 03/10/11 05:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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mill said: I use pop corn. Lots of experienced growers tell its an easy contaminated grain, but hey, that works for me until the third flush without any problem  Because pop corn grains are not passing through my colander as rice do, i stick with it.
Popcorn. There's a standard-average grain that was over-looked by me in the original poll. 
Heard the same thing about popcorn's readiness to become contaminated, although never used popcorn. I would guess popcorn's more susceptible to contaminates because it may burst easy and would be hard to get the moisture content of correct due to it's size and shell dexterior.
I would think popcorn would be a grain of choice for making "GLC's" out due to the shell of the popcorn being so slick, seems the mycelium would easily become removed from the popcorn once sterile water was introduced and the jar was shook.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: hamloaf]
#14096440 - 03/10/11 05:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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That popcorn contam myth is bull shit. I used to use it when I was a noob. The only bad thing about it was its blatant lack of nutrition.
Ha, spawn pop corn to straight coir and you might as well be eating button mushrooms.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#14096449 - 03/10/11 05:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ProfessorPinHead said: That popcorn contam myth is bull shit. I used to use it when I was a noob. The only bad thing about it was its blatant lack of nutrition.
Ha, spawn pop corn to straight coir and you might as well be eating button mushrooms.
By the way Ham, I love your new Avatar.
Thanks for the compliment on my new Avatar. My new Avatar is dedicated to all you science buffs out there because that's what I naturally am. A scientist.
Interesting take on using popcorn as a grain spawn. With that statement, you also touch upon a point that gets debated around here, severely. That is the fact that potency is strictly a genetic attribute and not due to the amount of nutrition being supplied by the substrate.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: hamloaf]
#14096456 - 03/10/11 05:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: That is the fact that potency is strictly a genetic attribute and not due to the amount of nutrition being supplied by the substrate.
I see things differently. There is a huge genetic factor don't get me wrong. I have grown a lot off poo, poo:coir, straight coir.
Its bullshit. More nutrients = healthier fruits. I am not really inclined to argue about that one
If you take a potent isolation and grow it out in that manner, and I encourage any nonbelievers to try this, and grow it out on each, Poo, Poo:coir, straight coir. There will be a descending order of potency with the poo on tip and straight coir on the bottom.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#14096468 - 03/10/11 06:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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IMHE/O, How could more nutrients not lead to healthier fruits? For they are the building blocks for life. The more blocks you have to build with, the more elaborate the structure is going to be.
I have experienced the same things as you when it comes to potency in cubesis cultivation due to the amount of nutrition a substrate has using both clone and multi-spore culture. I just usually keep my mouth shut when the debate comes up because like you, I'm not really inclined or qualified to argue about it. However, Damnit!, if I haven't experienced increases in potency, health and size of fruits, as well as, greater flushes or that one single flush where you get all the fruits a substrate's going to produce in it's entire life expressed in one flush.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#14096529 - 03/10/11 07:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ProfessorPinHead said: Its bullshit. More nutrients = healthier fruits. I am not really inclined to argue about that one
If you take a potent isolation and grow it out in that manner, and I encourage any nonbelievers to try this, and grow it out on each, Poo, Poo:coir, straight coir. There will be a descending order of potency with the poo on tip and straight coir on the bottom.
I've used manure, manure+coir, coir, brf and more than twenty different substrates with cakes and I never found a correlation between substrate composition and potency  Also, define "healthy fruits": what does it mean? Is a mutant healthy?
To Hamloaf: I use rye berries but I also have a love affair with popcorn by the way, where is popcorn in your poll? (Edit: you've already answered).
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: LeopardMan]
#14096582 - 03/10/11 07:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I guess I should have used the word robust, instead of healthy.
So yes Leopard man a mutant can be healthy 
I don't know about you but I have had some rather robust mutants that were far more healthy than the puny pins next to them.
To say it being a mutant makes it unhealthy would be like saying having downs syndrome makes you unhealthy.
I suppose you could bend the definition to suit your meaning though as I have exemplified in this case.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: biologys]
#14096629 - 03/10/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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biologys said: never got around to trying rye, went from popcorn to WBS, loved performance and easy prep so just stuck with it..
Same here. I still use popcorn only for GTG or GLC.
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Re: The Official Grain Preferance, Preparation, and Discussion/Debate Thread, 2011, Shroomery Style. [Re: esquaredx]
#14096780 - 03/10/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You guys should give rye a try. It was the last I tried of the three. Now I won't use anything else. Its been 2 years and I haven't lost a single tub. KNOCK ON WOOD! I can also count on two hands the number of jars that have been lost since.
I used to get bacteria from WBS, and Green From popcorn occasionally. W/ rye, neither.
Once you see how robustly it colonizes you won't use anything else either.
FYI, hard red winter wheat berries are practically the same as rye berries.
Sometimes I mix the two and it performs excellently
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