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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14053361 - 03/02/11 08:54 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: faceyneck]
    #14053365 - 03/02/11 08:55 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

Well, reading the last post by PP makes me now see this thread will INDEED get closed for sure.

Oh, well. Some good info was exchanged at first.

For the record - I didn't take any of your comments personally, anybody here. They did ruin what I was trying to accomplish though. :shrug:

I'll try and be Switzerland as much as possible with what feud has just been started. :lol:


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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14053372 - 03/02/11 08:57 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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:getstoned: Like I said its nothing against you personally bro. I just don't take anybody's disrespect.

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    #14053433 - 03/02/11 09:11 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

Everyone please take a deep breath and relax.  Shrooms don't make you gay.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14053442 - 03/02/11 09:13 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14053450 - 03/02/11 09:15 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: hamloaf]
    #14053467 - 03/02/11 09:19 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)


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That's what I thought...I mean, why else would I grow them? :justdontknow: :lmafo:


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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread *DELETED* [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14053570 - 03/02/11 09:41 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: Morelman]
    #14054073 - 03/02/11 11:24 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

its just not good practice to just say allow max fae during bulk colonization, its good practice to allow ample GE during colonization and simply stuffing poly in the fae holes allows for FAE not GE which causes early pinning. 
PPH just started attacking all of AMU cus he didnt have anything factual to say except look at my grows....not good enough to change the status quo IMO.

I wanted him to back it up with some facts not just his grow pics cus anybody can grow cubes.

Im trying  to gets some facts here on what is the max GE allowed and when it turns to FAE and other issues occur like premature pinning.

Im not having issues with my shit, I just want clear info so noobs understand better and dont just start colonizing in open air (and I mean poly stuffed fae holes).

polyfill IS NOT A FILTER OF ANY KIND and it does not keep contams at bay by any means.

  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12543108

its good for restricting fae and thats it. <-- period :grin:

:thanx: morelman for your info, its the closest Ive got to an actual answer this whole time. :thumbup:

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A loose fitting lid w/ taped AE holes. - 0% AE / 100% GE

Open holes on the sides. - 100% AE/GE

Loose polyfil in the holes. - 96% (filtered) AE / 100% GE
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Filtered AE is always less than 100%.  To what degree depends on the
resistance of the filter.

Restricting GE during colonization is never a good thing.  The question
should be, "To what degree do we restrict AE during Bulk Colonization?"




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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14054152 - 03/02/11 11:39 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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:getstoned: Like I said its nothing against you personally bro. I just don't take anybody's disrespect.





that whole AMU attack thing from you is why I never went big with AMU and just set in the background with my lil Q & A journal thread...  I dont want to end up being outcast like the feelfamily or others did. :tongue:

we are not a gang or group of dudes wanting the spotlight, just a so so organized bunch of helping shroomerites.:mushroom2:

days like today setback any group activities in the forums and give us all bad names for being part of such things.. :smirk:


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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14054293 - 03/02/11 12:13 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

PROF PINHEAD ,

I noticed the multiple tubs you had going. Did you colonize all those tubs in the same room? If so did you have to exchange the stagnant air from the ROOM often? Maybe once a day? It seems like you would need to with all those tubs. And if you dont, than maybe thats why your tubs do better outside of the bag...


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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: newshOne]
    #14054525 - 03/02/11 01:07 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

Haha at least you guys can calm yourselves down before it gets real nasty. It's the internet, some things are taken more harshly then they were meant to be.

There's a fine line of progressive argument and immature bickering.:wink:

We all know Gas Exchange is a good thing. Period. Like 13shrooms asked, how much is too much? ( at some point Gas exchange becomes Air Exchange)

Or like Prof.P and Facey are introducing, there is no "too much". And is a great beneficial factor when it comes to the speed of a colonizing bulk substrate.

Now the only way to really settle this is that all you guys debating this is to do your own controlled tests and see the/if colonizing time is sped up.

And to what really matters, looks like both ways work anyways. If someone has a crazy important reason to hurry up the time of his or her tubs, then it would be a bigger factor. Otherwise... :bigblunt:

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    "To what degree do we restrict GE during Bulk Colonization?"


"To the degree necessary to hold CO2 in the neighborhood of 10K to 20K ppm.  You can get a CO2 meter for under $300."
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: Taesian]
    #14054607 - 03/02/11 01:26 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

I got my answer from RR in another thread. :mushroom2:

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To what degree do we restrict GE during Bulk Colonization?



To the degree necessary to hold CO2 in the neighborhood of 10K to 20K ppm.  You can get a CO2 meter for under $300.
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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14054611 - 03/02/11 01:27 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

There ya go, sorry I'm still trying to figure out all the tools.:pipesmoke:


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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14055317 - 03/02/11 03:32 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

tripping

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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14055955 - 03/02/11 05:33 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

@ :scaryshroom:; there is sufficient evidence of my position on the concept I'm discussing on video, and it's mentioned in this post also.

With what RogerRabbit did in his DVD with making up straw logs - on the kitchen floor nonetheles, which I'm sure he's done many times with success - it should be considered adequate evidence that contamination isn't caused by a filthy environment during spawning. :shrug:

The section where he makes up a laundry basket should also be adequate evidence that allowing very copious fae during colonization does not result in contamination either.


Polyfil is a great filtration device for sterile media, and has been used for a long time as such. I understand in theory it shouldn't be able to filter adequately enough, but in practice it works.




I most certainly will conduct a test of some sort once I can. I don't have enough spawn at the moment to conduct a test right now.

I'm NOT suggesting people should allow max fae during colonization. I have demonstrated at least some evidence it's not a problem though, when I manually fanned this tub all the way from spawning to full canopy:



I wouldn't suggest doing this as a general practice, because it's superfluous, but it is evidence for my position on the issue. :shrug:

I am suggesting people should allow EITHER gas exchange OR fresh air exchange during colonization that most would consider adequate for fruiting.

And then increase that amount ever more during fruiting.

There's more than one way to do things, and I doubt anyone here has sufficient equipment necessary to do any legitimate research.

In the meantime, please don't take any of this personal, and thank you for sharing your thoughts. You're more than welcome to continue to do so. I think if we all do our best to be considerate of others, and give them the benefit of the doubt, we can avoid these squabblings.


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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: Taesian]
    #14055974 - 03/02/11 05:36 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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Or like Prof.P and Facey are introducing, there is no "too much". And is a great beneficial factor when it comes to the speed of a colonizing bulk substrate.

Now the only way to really settle this is that all you guys debating this is to do your own controlled tests and see the/if colonizing time is sped up.




I'd be very much interested in doing controlled tests, but I have yet to come up with even a vague notion of what a control bin would be. :shrug:

Oh, and the one circumstance I see as being too much air exchange/ gas exchange is if the substrate is drying out too much. :super:


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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: faceyneck]
    #14057548 - 03/02/11 10:52 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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@ :scaryshroom:; there is sufficient evidence of my position on the concept I'm discussing on video, and it's mentioned in this post also.

With what RogerRabbit did in his DVD with making up straw logs - on the kitchen floor nonetheless, which I'm sure he's done many times with success - it should be considered adequate evidence that contamination isn't caused by a filthy environment during spawning. :shrug:

The section where he makes up a laundry basket should also be adequate evidence that allowing very copious fae during colonization does not result in contamination either.



Polyfil is a great filtration device for sterile media, and has been used for a long time as such. I understand in theory it shouldn't be able to filter adequately enough, but in practice it works.

I most certainly will conduct a test of some sort once I can. I don't have enough spawn at the moment to conduct a test right now.

I'm NOT suggesting people should allow max fae during colonization. I have demonstrated at least some evidence it's not a problem though, when I manually fanned this tub all the way from spawning to full canopy:



I wouldn't suggest doing this as a general practice, because it's superfluous, but it is evidence for my position on the issue. :shrug:

I am suggesting people should allow EITHER gas exchange OR fresh air exchange during colonization that most would consider adequate for fruiting.

And then increase that amount ever more during fruiting.






spawning on a linoleum floor that can be easily mopped is way different than spawning on a 20+yr old carpeted floor.  so yeah you can spawn on a cleaner floor and get away with it.

and as for the basket tek he says not to put spawn near the edges because it dries out due to the ample fae and can cause contams to be able to grow.  there are precautionary steps taken to allow colonization with full on fae during the spawn run. 

my environment is way bad to be living in let alone colonizing without taking precautions thats why Im renovating my kitchen and a couple other rooms to alleviate these issues.

I use poly for fruiting because the substrate is fully colonized already and contams arent an issue at that point.  but any thing b4 full colonization and Im calling you lucky or you have a very clean environment your colonizing in.

if it were as simple as just give your sub ample air supply then the pf tek wouldnt need a verm barrier to protect it during colonization. 

I suppose if you packed the poly very super tight it would restrict enough air to act as a "filter" of sort for GE but to me its just to big of a risk when the lids on most monos allow plenty of GE then you hit it with tons of fresh air once its colonized AS A PINNING TRIGGER TO GIVE NICE PINSETS/FLUSHES FROM THE START.

thats my only grip about this is the pinning triggers are not defined thus allowing random growth and to some control is key.  to the "searching" newb this thread does nothing but contradict all the other reading about GE vs FAE during colonization. 

the bags for colonizing things is clear, no go for that, but to simply say you want fae during colonization just because you had good results isnt research or proof that its a completely advisable thing to practice.

there is a reason that 10-20k ppm Co2 is the range used for GE during colonization because it allows the myc to be able to consume/thrive during its run and when its time (full colonization) you hit it with ample fresh air as a pinning trigger and it responds by pinning.:mushroomgrow:

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I am suggesting people should allow EITHER gas exchange OR fresh air exchange during colonization that most would consider adequate for fruiting.


  but the word either suggests it doesnt matter when it does.

its just not good practice to throw all research out the window and tell noobs nothing but good can happen when allowing tons of exchange during colonization, especially when dealing with monotubs or all your eggs in one basket grows. :shrug:

on the other hand if it works for you then by all means grow away, do what works for you. :yesnod:

I guess I just try to be more universal when I give advise or start a thread, things that will/can work for all in any situation rather than "I got this to do this by doing this and now look at my pics" advice.

you should know the ins/outs of how and why..facts. yes you went into the aerobic/anaerobic thing but thats why we allow GE in the first place but not fae that can cause (not always) but can cause other issues.:plur:

I asked for more info and PPH went off (yeah ch went a lil gay happy) but there were still no answers except "look at my grow", thats not proof. :shrug:

nonetheless its been answered and the dust has settled, I think the info is covered so lets hope the whole thread is read by future searchers.

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Re: The Monotub Bag Colonization Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14057568 - 03/02/11 10:58 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

wow, i missed alot in this thread...

arguing, PP banned...wtf happened here, debate gone bad :frown:

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    #14057676 - 03/02/11 11:28 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

:whathesaid:

And...back on the topic...tryed both ways(taped holes,bag and poly in the holes and light)and i must say...NO BAG,NO TAPED HOLES...
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