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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #14053750 - 03/02/11 10:14 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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Olympus Mons said:
1st of all not everyone here is a druggie, second of all youre insanely naive for not seeing why this is a big deal.



Sure son. I'd never given thought to the implications of information technology and RFID in particular before stumbling on this thread. I'm also totally unaware of the possible relationships this sort of technology has with oppressive regimes, and have never given thought to that whatsoever. You guys really opened my fucking eyes :rolleyes: But I gotta run to the store now to buy 100 rolls of tinfoil.

Oh yeah, bring on the shit storm. I'm ready. Just consider this statement: paranoia tends to get in the way of sane judgment.

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14053771 - 03/02/11 10:19 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

I just think that if there was a conspiracy to bust people they'd do it the old fashioned way with undercover buys and observation.

I mean, they could run the plates of every car entering, and background check every credit card order.  However, it's pretty intensive to do background checks on 80k people.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14053776 - 03/02/11 10:20 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

so why not explain it to us since you're so well versed, I mean Chris Padget
gave us a pretty detailed overview of the range these devices can be read
from, hundreds of others have told about other ways they can be misused
including by those oppressive regimes

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #14053826 - 03/02/11 10:33 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

Sure, I think there is a potential for misuse.  It's a matter of what the RFID provides that is BEYOND current capabilities. They have the potential to misuse all types of info.

I mean, in the demographic, I'd guess 80% of the patrons carry a cell-phone, and will have it on.  They could easily triangulate user locations.

Hell, they don't need bonaroo to do it.  They could do something like this every day of the week.  And maybe they do, maybe they don't. They don't need RFID to pull off the things they're discussing.

Hell, it would be easier to get credit card records from Bonaroo, and have local agents take you do the day after you got home.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: badchad]
    #14053846 - 03/02/11 10:39 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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badchad said:
Sure, I think there is a potential for misuse.  It's a matter of what the RFID provides that is BEYOND current capabilities.





really, what's beyond current capabilities. all they need on the tag is a
number, from there they have the info on whom ever ordered the tickets, what
more do they need

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14053860 - 03/02/11 10:42 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
really, what's beyond current capabilities. all they need on the tag is a
number, from there they have the info on whom ever ordered the tickets, what
more do they need




That's the point I was trying to make.  They already got your name on the ticket order.

They could triangulate you with your cell phone, your license plate.  Hell, they could add all the bonaroo attendees and track them everytime they visited the bank, used an EZ pass etc.

I'm trying to see what great advantage RFID provides if someon was erally intent on tracking you.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: badchad]
    #14053936 - 03/02/11 10:58 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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badchad said:
  They already got your name on the ticket order.

They could triangulate you with your cell phone, your license plate.





cell phone, yes, license plate no but they'd have to have the cell phone
ESN/number or other info and company you deal with, unless it's a burner,
with the RFID they have your name and can associate it with a specific set
of tags


Quote:

Hell, they could add all the bonaroo attendees and track them everytime they visited the bank, used an EZ pass etc.

I'm trying to see what great advantage RFID provides if someon was erally intent on tracking you.




they can tailor pop up ad for you on the roadways with these new LED billboards


I believe that's the real purpose

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14053957 - 03/02/11 11:02 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

DieCommie said:
If you haven't realized yet, Bonnaroo is not the government.





*was not

bonnaroo was much different just a few years ago, now all they have to do is
set up rfid scanners at various locations and they track your every movement,
on the way to the festie and while your there, then when you're leaving...
it's like tracking cows, cows carrying illegal drugs



mules, mules carrrying mols.  mand hee haw!!!


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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: badchad]
    #14053971 - 03/02/11 11:05 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

About the long-range tracking thing, 'cause apparently there's some of you concerned with the Bonna-illuminati-roo tracking your ass down from space: long-range tracking is apparently possible. Currently up to a whopping 500ft using experimental techniques and a 70W transmitter. Note that within that 500ft radius, it's only possible to read the ID's of the tags; not their location. So within that area, you know which ID's are there, but you have no fucking clue where they are exactly.

Using that information, and still assuming there is some 3vil force trying to see if you're secretly smoking a bowl on someone else's porch, you can go two ways:
1. assume that the evil bastards implement one huge ass transmitter which they operate from a U2 spyplane or suspend from one of the highly suspicious Google satellites. Operating at a power of, let's conservatively estimate ca. 500kW, they might be able to get juuust enough juice to the tag around your wrist to activate it. And then it will respond with a tiny signal that is completely undetectable from any distance larger than a couple of thousand feet. So the evil Bonnaroo-nazi's need a fucking grid of RFID readers around the planet to see where their precious tags are at. Which takes us to the next possibility:
2. The evil suckers secretly implement an RFID reading grid all over the planet to see what wristbands are still active and where they're at. Needless to say, this is a bit of an expensive solution, so perhaps unlikely for the organizers of a friggin' music festival. But then again, if too much pot smoking indeed has made you insanely paranoid, nothing's really too far-fetched, is it?

So let's assume the Naziroo's can trace your particular wristband worldwide and with frightening accuracy. What then, bitches? As long as you have that little thing on your body (and I'm not talking about that ridiculously little other thing), they might be able to locate where you are. So after the festival...take it off! During the festival: what the fuck do you care that they know you're currently enjoying a brilliant Opeth set on Stage X? Without the RFID tag, wouldn't they still have known where you were (oh, you're one of those legions of people who buy tickets for festivals and then don't attend...fuck, didn't realize that)?

Sure, question any method or technology that might compromise your privacy. But any moron can do that. Turns out there aren't too many people who can do that in a realistic manner, with the knowledge that privacy is not a binary thing (either on or off, present or absent), but a gliding scale, and that you'll always be somewhere on that scale. And that any form of technology may have implications for where you are on that scale. But remarkably, I don't see too many people whining about the illuminati tracking down their cellphone (which is MUCH more realistic and is actually a method widely applied in law enforcement) or tracing down their shroomery, 4chan and growery posts to their current IP address (all possible, and in the case of 4chan repeatedly happened).

Sure, there's an opt-out. You can always pull a McVeigh. Go ahead.

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14053978 - 03/02/11 11:06 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

If they implement this well I think it's a good idea.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14053997 - 03/02/11 11:09 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
they can tailor pop up ad for you on the roadways with these new LED billboards


I believe that's the real purpose




I would wholeheartedly agree with this assessment.

But hey, if this is true then maybe they'll realize I don't need penis enhancement pills.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: badchad]
    #14054010 - 03/02/11 11:13 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)



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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14054017 - 03/02/11 11:15 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

koraks said:
About the long-range tracking thing, 'cause apparently there's some of you concerned with the Bonna-illuminati-roo tracking your ass down from space: long-range tracking is apparently possible. Currently up to a whopping 500ft using experimental techniques and a 70W transmitter. Note that within that 500ft radius, it's only possible to read the ID's of the tags; not their location. So within that area, you know which ID's are there, but you have no fucking clue where they are exactly.

Using that information, and still assuming there is some 3vil force trying to see if you're secretly smoking a bowl on someone else's porch, you can go two ways:
1. assume that the evil bastards implement one huge ass transmitter which they operate from a U2 spyplane or suspend from one of the highly suspicious Google satellites. Operating at a power of, let's conservatively estimate ca. 500kW, they might be able to get juuust enough juice to the tag around your wrist to activate it. And then it will respond with a tiny signal that is completely undetectable from any distance larger than a couple of thousand feet. So the evil Bonnaroo-nazi's need a fucking grid of RFID readers around the planet to see where their precious tags are at. Which takes us to the next possibility:
2. The evil suckers secretly implement an RFID reading grid all over the planet to see what wristbands are still active and where they're at. Needless to say, this is a bit of an expensive solution, so perhaps unlikely for the organizers of a friggin' music festival. But then again, if too much pot smoking indeed has made you insanely paranoid, nothing's really too far-fetched, is it?

So let's assume the Naziroo's can trace your particular wristband worldwide and with frightening accuracy. What then, bitches? As long as you have that little thing on your body (and I'm not talking about that ridiculously little other thing), they might be able to locate where you are. So after the festival...take it off! During the festival: what the fuck do you care that they know you're currently enjoying a brilliant Opeth set on Stage X? Without the RFID tag, wouldn't they still have known where you were (oh, you're one of those legions of people who buy tickets for festivals and then don't attend...fuck, didn't realize that)?

Sure, question any method or technology that might compromise your privacy. But any moron can do that. Turns out there aren't too many people who can do that in a realistic manner, with the knowledge that privacy is not a binary thing (either on or off, present or absent), but a gliding scale, and that you'll always be somewhere on that scale. And that any form of technology may have implications for where you are on that scale. But remarkably, I don't see too many people whining about the illuminati tracking down their cellphone (which is MUCH more realistic and is actually a method widely applied in law enforcement) or tracing down their shroomery, 4chan and growery posts to their current IP address (all possible, and in the case of 4chan repeatedly happened).

Sure, there's an opt-out. You can always pull a McVeigh. Go ahead.




:congrats:


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14054045 - 03/02/11 11:20 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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koraks said:
About the long-range tracking thing, 'cause apparently there's some of you concerned with the Bonna-illuminati-roo tracking your ass down from space:





the Roolluminati are not to be trifled with and you're triflin'

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14054056 - 03/02/11 11:22 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

:tinfoil:

Edited by koraks (03/02/11 11:22 AM)

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: badchad]
    #14054092 - 03/02/11 11:29 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

badchad said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
they can tailor pop up ad for you on the roadways with these new LED billboards


I believe that's the real purpose




I would wholeheartedly agree with this assessment.

But hey, if this is true then maybe they'll realize I don't need penis enhancement pills.





do you really believe they arent already watching you pee?

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14054099 - 03/02/11 11:30 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

id say that theres a possibility that the chips are merely just for profiling purposes this year, But whats next year, there gonna sit on this RFID shit and they will find a way to exploit it, this would have been my first bonarroo this year, now i dont think ill eveer see it, oh well, theres much beter fests out there, seems to me bonarroo is too chaotic anyways

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14054100 - 03/02/11 11:30 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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koraks said:
:tinfoil:






I have that same trifle dish... I knew it... you're a cointel pro shill... part of the Roolluminati, a disinfo agent

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14054400 - 03/02/11 12:38 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

If you think the DEA is above using this technology to monitor people's movements you are kidding yourself.  Whatever though, if you don't have a problem with people tracking when you get to the concert, when you go in to see music, or whenever you encounter a security guard be my guest.  I personally have a big issue with this kind of shit because its totally unwarranted for these assholes to have this kind of shit at a festival.  Its a custy fest anyway though, if you wanna go have a blast.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: fapjack]
    #14054410 - 03/02/11 12:42 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

I just don't see why they are choosing to use a technology that can easily used to track people like animals (which is actually something RFID is used for) when advanced bar codes can accomplish the same thing. Hell, it's probably just as cheap to make magnetic strip cards that people can carry.

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