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Who do you trust?
    #14054288 - 03/02/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There's only one thing i trust, and its not even a 'thing' :rofl:


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054300 - 03/02/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There are only two people I trust in this world.  One is me and the other ain't you.


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054302 - 03/02/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting question, that will require thought ^.^


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054319 - 03/02/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I trust no one at all not even myself :eek: I found that trusting people will easily get you in trouble or get your feelings hurt. The reason I can't trust meself is because I've been clean now for 3 years, and I want to visit my family in NC. I know where to get every drug under the sun there and I don't trust myself to go.....>Never trust anyone, because the people you trust are the ones that fuck you


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: NoOneImportant]
    #14054331 - 03/02/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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There are only two people I trust in this world.  One is me





How can you trust a person (including 'yourself' 'me' 'I' etc) when the person could not even wake up tomorrow?

The only thing you can trust in something that ends is that it will end & lose its identity, everything that doesn't end can only foolishly be trusted in as its nature is to change, you can only trust the changing to change but you can't trust in (find consistency in) a particular aspect of any of it as it all changes.

Im not saying to mistrust creation but to fully trust the real you/Self that is behind it all, as then the creations allowed to fully become what it will become, with no attachment or worry about it AT ALL


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054337 - 03/02/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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There's only one thing i trust, and its not even a 'thing' :rofl:





I trust no living being.  Or ... I trust that no one can be trusted.


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054348 - 03/02/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Fear & worry can be annihilated through total Self trust

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I trust no living being.  Or ... I trust that no one can be trusted.




Begrudgingly or lightly?



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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054361 - 03/02/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well you're in the right forum for making such statements.:thumbup:


I trust no one due to experience.


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054377 - 03/02/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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There are only two people I trust in this world.  One is me





How can you trust a person (including 'yourself' 'me' 'I' etc) when the person could not even wake up tomorrow?

The only thing you can trust in something that ends is that it will end & lose its identity, everything that doesn't end can only foolishly be trusted in as its nature is to change, you can only trust the changing to change but you can't trust in (find consistency in) a particular aspect of any of it as it all changes.

Im not saying to mistrust creation but to fully trust the real you/Self that is behind it all, as then the creations allowed to fully become what it will become, with no attachment or worry about it AT ALL




I get what you're saying, that was just the first reply that popped into my head.  That's the best phrase I like to use when people ask me if I trust them.  I do not trust myself so I agree with you on the point because I may not be here tomorrow.  I believe nothing of what I hear and even less of what I think. I am merely an ego interacting with other egos and the materialism of me is not actuality, there is more.

To answer your question in actual thoughtfulness and not just the first smart ass thing that popped into my head, I would say I have trust in "it".  Much like you said you trust in one thing and it is not even a 'thing', the trust in "it" is undefinable.  The best way I could describe it in linguistics is cosmic consciousness.  "It" does what it wants so anything that happens was because of "it". So basically, I guess I would say I trust in everything that is, and nothing that is.


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054388 - 03/02/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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well you're in the right forum for making such statements.:thumbup:


I trust no one due to experience.



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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: NoOneImportant]
    #14054414 - 03/02/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Loki570 said:
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The Chronic said:
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Loki570 said:
There are only two people I trust in this world.  One is me





How can you trust a person (including 'yourself' 'me' 'I' etc) when the person could not even wake up tomorrow?

The only thing you can trust in something that ends is that it will end & lose its identity, everything that doesn't end can only foolishly be trusted in as its nature is to change, you can only trust the changing to change but you can't trust in (find consistency in) a particular aspect of any of it as it all changes.

Im not saying to mistrust creation but to fully trust the real you/Self that is behind it all, as then the creations allowed to fully become what it will become, with no attachment or worry about it AT ALL




I get what you're saying, that was just the first reply that popped into my head.  That's the best phrase I like to use when people ask me if I trust them.  I do not trust myself so I agree with you on the point because I may not be here tomorrow.  I believe nothing of what I hear and even less of what I think. I am merely an ego interacting with other egos and the materialism of me is not actuality, there is more.

To answer your question in actual thoughtfulness and not just the first smart ass thing that popped into my head, I would say I have trust in "it".  Much like you said you trust in one thing and it is not even a 'thing', the trust in "it" is undefinable.  The best way I could describe it in linguistics is cosmic consciousness.  "It" does what it wants so anything that happens was because of "it". So basically, I guess I would say I trust in everything that is, and nothing that is.




Yeah i got the vibe you meant it as just a phrase reply, but it gave my mind a chance to release what im feeling right now :wink:

You hit the nail aswell, it's like not trusting thoughts but trusting the you that's behind the thoughts


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054428 - 03/02/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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well you're in the right forum for making such statements.:thumbup:





You have my permission to take apart anything i say in whatever style you like... i post here because i like experiencing existence beyond the limits of the mind, philosophy, psychology, society is all in the mind


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054450 - 03/02/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well in my experience and observation no one trusts themselves completely in all ways. 

I could say right now that I completely trust myself.  That's the easy part.


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054468 - 03/02/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think that trusting is for beliefs, and things that you are uncertain of.


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: teknix]
    #14054473 - 03/02/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Chronic would disagree as he claims there is one thing he trusts.


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054503 - 03/02/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well in my experience and observation no one trusts themselves completely in all ways. 

I could say right now that I completely trust myself.  That's the easy part.




Yea saying it is the easy because I tell myself I trust myself.  It's weird how when you're put in certain social interactions, self-doubt arises.  I have very bad bouts of social anxiety even though 99% of the time I am pretty calm and collected.  However when I'm in a social environment, my mind starts to overwork itself and that trust in myself dissolves.  Damn, my mind is my worst enemy.


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054506 - 03/02/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't trust my body, my thoughts, my feelings, most people would refer to these things as 'me', so i don't trust myself fully in that sense, i only trust whatever is behind/beyond it all fully, but the paradox is its not about mistrusting anything, somehow trusting what's inside/beyond still includes everything without any binding, so its not turning away from life, its fully 'being life' rather than being a particular thing in life.

Life. :lol: im feeling a lil crazy this evening


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054541 - 03/02/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Like there is nothing needing trusting?

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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054551 - 03/02/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Chronic would disagree as he claims there is one thing he trusts.




You can't even really trust or believe in emptiness, its completely impossible, you can only be emptiness
A belief in emptiness is like the opposite of emptiness, and even the opposite of emptiness is emptiness 

The 'trust' is just a graciously embibed thought pattern spiralling down the plughole emptying the mind out


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054615 - 03/02/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just went off of what you said. There's only one thing i trust,:shrug:


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054644 - 03/02/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I trust Life, to give back what I put in.  That's a little more metaphysical.  It's pretty much saying the same thing, that I trust my self, I trust the ocean of manifestation.


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054646 - 03/02/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Just went off of what you said. There's only one thing i trust,:shrug:




You picked part of what i said... i said 'theres only one thing i trust, nothing' the 'nothing' part is the most significant part of what i said :lol:


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054673 - 03/02/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i seriously don't understand emptiness

it is that which views "i am," from what I've gained.  I've sensed it, but never fully resided there.  I don't even know what it is that resides in emptiness.  It's not the "I." So, like, what else is there to even notice it? If an experience or revelation isn't what attaining emptiness is all about, then how can we even speak about it or reside there?


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054683 - 03/02/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There's only one thing i trust, and its not even a 'thing'

Maybe I misunderstood but I don't see the word "nothing" in this sentence.:shrug: I actually didn't know that you meant you trusted "nothing". I wasn't sure what you meant.


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054691 - 03/02/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

not a thing=nothing


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: g00ru]
    #14054762 - 03/02/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i seriously don't understand emptiness

it is that which views "i am," from what I've gained.  I've sensed it, but never fully resided there.  I don't even know what it is that resides in emptiness.  It's not the "I." So, like, what else is there to even notice it? If an experience or revelation isn't what attaining emptiness is all about, then how can we even speak about it or reside there?




To some you may sound like your asking questions, but to me you sound like your a sage asking evocative questions :strokebeard:

Just as your pointing out emptiness is beyond the mind, so the noticing of it is non dual, theres no noticer & noticed, lover & beloved, just love


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14054792 - 03/02/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, it's the non manifested I AM

it's like God, and the I Am is Godhead

that's why you see people like Jesus and Buddha with Halos.  Cause they went beyond the "I"


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: g00ru]
    #14054802 - 03/02/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You coming over to England this year?


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: g00ru]
    #14054862 - 03/02/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah I get it now.


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14055008 - 03/02/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You coming over to England this year?




Well that really needs to happen. Quite possibly though man, quite possibly.  It's just like lately I've been working on grounding myself with a job and my life here in Georgia so it's hard to commit to that at any particular time, but believe me I think about it a lot and very much want to.  Ya know what I'll just go ahead and say, yeah, once I've got enough money saved I'll move on it :thumbup:


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: g00ru]
    #14055131 - 03/02/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Cool :wink:


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14055142 - 03/02/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i think there's a feeling of certainty that comes from emptiness

like no matter what happens, nothing really happens :sun:

i dunno if it's trust, but it lacks mistrust so...


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: deff]
    #14055517 - 03/02/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know what to trust and generally have no idea what I'm doing.. :shrug:

But it's not a bad state to be in as long as the mind stays quiet. "Direction, I wan't some damn direction" is all it can come up with, but no real direction emerges out of that noise. Why I even listen to it have no idea. I guess the ego itself is born out of the desire to find something to trust.


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Re: Who do you trust? [Re: Tony]
    #14055641 - 03/02/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I trust that this will all be alright. It's gonna hurt though.


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