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is America a "lost cause"?
    #14054076 - 03/02/11 11:25 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)



What do you feel about all the things happening in the world? Do people just suck or was it all manically planned? Could it be both?

What's your take on the problems in america? Is the country salvageable? If so, how so and why so with all the sustainable evidence that this country is fundamentally broken? politics that prey on idealistic principle for mass-manipulation. we principally fund this broken system with promises of a future worth working for?

I feel that America is fundamentally broken, on the premise of unfair and oppressive political representation. We "elect" these politicans that purposely mislead and manipulate the amerian people instead of protecting/fighting for their civil rights and liberties. they only pursue their own agenda of increased financial gain and perpetuated control of power through years of political submission and political accreditation, which systematically forces the politician to "sell out" all/any beliefs.

proving that all politicans are all bought and paid for under the real "america" agenda. which is domination and control, the exact opposite of liberty and freedom.

...it's all a big inside-joke, too bad it's seriously evil and totally relative to our lives.

D:

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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: lysergicasians]
    #14054102 - 03/02/11 11:31 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, since 1492.

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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: lysergicasians]
    #14054119 - 03/02/11 11:34 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Everything is a lost cause. Everything is temporary.  Try to enjoy what is here now.:satansmoking:


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054203 - 03/02/11 11:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Everything is a lost cause. Everything is temporary.  Try to enjoy what is here now.:satansmoking:



fuck.

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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054223 - 03/02/11 11:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Society is made of individuals, you are one of them.
There are many individuals like us who wish for change,
hell there are millions of people who hate their jobs,
wish they could have had free education,
wish they could have used their potential fully.

The potential is definitely there to convince people that there is a better way.

The problem is the stigma against anything other than capitalism.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Flowing]
    #14054385 - 03/02/11 12:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That sounds nice but I don't think it's really true.  Nature demands survival and survival is a challenge. Most if not all of those complaining about Capitalism are really complaining that they have trouble with the challenges of survival.

To use ones potential one has to take everything as a challenge rather than a handout or something deserved or something they could do if this or that were different.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054892 - 03/02/11 02:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I have faith in my country. I feel we are in a slump atm. But we will come out of it stronger than ever.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Flowing]
    #14054992 - 03/02/11 02:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

We only survive because of our technology, and with this technology we can make survival very easy. I'd rather have a peaceful society without the bloodthirsty competition.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Flowing]
    #14056877 - 03/02/11 08:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This country is going down the shithole fast and no one is doing a damn thing because American Idol is on.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14056887 - 03/02/11 08:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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ChelleLaBelle said:
This country is going down the shithole fast and no one is doing a damn thing because American Idol is on.




So stop watching it.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14056936 - 03/02/11 08:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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ChelleLaBelle said:
This country is going down the shithole fast and no one is doing a damn thing because American Idol is on.




So stop watching it.




Sorry you missed it.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14056949 - 03/02/11 08:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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ChelleLaBelle said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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ChelleLaBelle said:
This country is going down the shithole fast and no one is doing a damn thing because American Idol is on.




So stop watching it.




Sorry you missed it.




I'm not at all sorry.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14056996 - 03/02/11 08:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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ChelleLaBelle said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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ChelleLaBelle said:
This country is going down the shithole fast and no one is doing a damn thing because American Idol is on.




So stop watching it.




Sorry you missed it.




I'm not at all sorry.




You should be as it was "the point" and all.....


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Icelander]
    #14058189 - 03/03/11 02:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Most if not all of those complaining about Capitalism are really complaining that they have trouble with the challenges of survival.





I dont buy that one bit. I know plenty of people who can waltz through life easily enough but still feel the current Capatilist system needs a massive overhaul.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Flowing]
    #14058654 - 03/03/11 07:45 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Flowing said:
We only survive because of our technology, and with this technology we can make survival very easy. I'd rather have a peaceful society without the bloodthirsty competition.



Untrue. We survive because of the will to survive in the face of mass competition with everything from cells, animals, to other people etc. The ingenuity of inventing via our hands and advanced thinking skills is based in the will to overcome challenges in the environment. Why would anybody in their right mind want to give you their hard earned inventions for free?


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14058693 - 03/03/11 08:06 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Untrue. We survive because of the will to survive in the face of mass competition with everything from cells, animals, to other people etc. The ingenuity of inventing via our hands and advanced thinking skills is based in the will to overcome challenges in the environment. Why would anybody in their right mind want to give you their hard earned inventions for free? 




I agree with Flowing. Our technology does allow us to survive very easily now. How many animals have you caught for food this week? Did it take long to get a fire started today?

Our technology has taken us past the real need to act from fear and acquisitiveness. Unfortunately our mind has not realised that or does not want to give up that game just yet.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: GazzBut]
    #14058760 - 03/03/11 08:33 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
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Most if not all of those complaining about Capitalism are really complaining that they have trouble with the challenges of survival.





I dont buy that one bit. I know plenty of people who can waltz through life easily enough but still feel the current Capatilist system needs a massive overhaul.





That's why I said "most" if not all. There's always a few exceptions. I'm not a big fan of so called Capitalism in America either although I've been successful and retired at 55.  But I'm exceptional.:satansmoking:


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: GazzBut]
    #14059050 - 03/03/11 10:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
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Untrue. We survive because of the will to survive in the face of mass competition with everything from cells, animals, to other people etc. The ingenuity of inventing via our hands and advanced thinking skills is based in the will to overcome challenges in the environment. Why would anybody in their right mind want to give you their hard earned inventions for free? 




I agree with Flowing. Our technology does allow us to survive very easily now. How many animals have you caught for food this week? Did it take long to get a fire started today?

Our technology has taken us past the real need to act from fear and acquisitiveness. Unfortunately our mind has not realised that or does not want to give up that game just yet.




You're not answering what I said. Why would somebody willing give their technology to you for no compensation? The world is filled with limited resources, so why would a farmer give you the food he worked so hard to yield for free? Just because we live in an advanced society doesn't mean their are infinite resources to go around, nor does it mean you have any right to said resources simply because you exist.

Also, the amount of animals I catch per week is totally irrelevant to the discussion. We live in an advanced society primarily because I don't need to spend my energy catching food and building fires. However, I must contribute to society in other ways if it is my desire to reap the benefits of the hard work of others. Where do you think the resources for this technology comes from? It is limited and we will always be fighting over it.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14059092 - 03/03/11 10:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The U.S. is in deep trouble. We are over our heads in debt, we are fighting two wars we can't afford, social programs are being gutted, and the infrastructure is rotting. When it comes to education we are rapidly slipping globally.

Many "experts" feel that in 10 - 20 years we will economically collapse. We march on ignoring the fact that we spend more on 'defense' than many countries combined.

Our elected officials are too busy playing politics while they are screaming at each other around the giant elephant in the middle of the room.

So, yes, if genuine honest change doesn't happen very soon then America is a lost cause.

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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14059993 - 03/03/11 01:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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You're not answering what I said. Why would somebody willing give their technology to you for no compensation?




Why did you ask this question? Who suggested people need to give their technology to anyone for no compensation? Because Flowing suggested we might need to look at a system other than Capitalism? If so, a system other than capitalism does not necessarily lead to uncompensated farmers! In my opinion it doesn't matter which system you apply, it always comes down to the individuals applying the system and the way they apply that system.

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It is limited and we will always be fighting over it.




If we could overcome the mental issues that we suffer from which lead, amongst other things, to such inefficient use of current resources, I feel sure we could easily stretch the resources at our disposal to last until such a time as technology could provide us with infinite energy and resource. I think we could also achieve this without having to resort to fighting like little children but as I said, we have severe mental issues preventing us from doing this!


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Icelander]
    #14059995 - 03/03/11 01:14 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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But I'm exceptional.:satansmoking:




Bravo! We need more exceptional people on this ship :smile:


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: GazzBut]
    #14060019 - 03/03/11 01:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
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You're not answering what I said. Why would somebody willing give their technology to you for no compensation?




Why did you ask this question? Who suggested people need to give their technology to anyone for no compensation? Because Flowing suggested we might need to look at a system other than Capitalism? If so, a system other than capitalism does not necessarily lead to uncompensated farmers! In my opinion it doesn't matter which system you apply, it always comes down to the individuals applying the system and the way they apply that system.

Quote:

It is limited and we will always be fighting over it.




If we could overcome the mental issues that we suffer from which lead, amongst other things, to such inefficient use of current resources, I feel sure we could easily stretch the resources at our disposal to last until such a time as technology could provide us with infinite energy and resource. I think we could also achieve this without having to resort to fighting like little children but as I said, we have severe mental issues preventing us from doing this!





It's worse than you think, IMO.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12249909
A UK government-commissioned study into food security has called for urgent action to avert global hunger.

The Foresight Report on Food and Farming Futures says the current system is unsustainable and will fail to end hunger unless radically redesigned.

It is the first study across a range of disciplines deemed to have put such fears on a firm analytical footing.

The report is the culmination of a two-year study, involving 400 experts from 35 countries.

According to the government's chief scientific adviser, Professor Sir John Beddington, the study provides compelling evidence for governments to act now.

The report emphasises changes to farming, to ensure that increasing yields does not come at the expense of sustainability and to provide incentives to the agricultural sector that address malnutrition.

It also recommends that the most resource-intensive types of food are curbed and that waste is minimised in food production.

"We know in the next 20 years the world population will increase to something like 8.3 billion people," he told BBC News.

"We know that urbanisation is going to be a driver and that something of the order of 65-70% of the world's population will be living in cities at that time.

"We know that the world is getting more prosperous and that the demand for basic commodities - food, water and energy - will be rising as that prosperity increases, increasing at the same time as the population."

He warned: "We have 20 years to arguably deliver something of the order of 40% more food; 30% more available fresh water and of the order of 50% more energy.

"We can't wait 20 years or 10 years indeed - this is really urgent."

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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: GazzBut]
    #14060023 - 03/03/11 01:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

true dat!


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Icelander]
    #14062992 - 03/03/11 08:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Like I said.....  we're fucked like chuck.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14063090 - 03/03/11 09:14 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That's why I'm grateful to be nearing the end of my days rather than where you guys are at.  It looks grim to me. I hold out no hope that mankind will become sane even when the shit is fully in the fan.  As Frank Zappa said. "We is dumb all over":shrug::monkeydance:


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Re: is America a [Re: Icelander]
    #14063095 - 03/03/11 09:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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That's why I'm grateful to be nearing the end of my days rather than where you guys are at.  It looks grim to me. I hold out no hope that mankind will become sane even when the shit is fully in the fan.  As Frank Zappa said. "We is dumb all over":shrug::monkeydance:




well,

since im 18, i'll just try and do the "rebel" thing and play onto this subculture of unorganized drug use and spiritual downfall of civilization through fear and manipulative social division, but still systematically (and submissively) oppressing the very ideas i try to promote on an idealistic level, as many americans do

our government fundamentally promotes elitism. which is fundamentally against (political) freedom and (civil/social) liberty

pretty lame, huh

Edited by lysergicasians (03/03/11 09:27 PM)

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Re: is America a [Re: lysergicasians]
    #14063141 - 03/03/11 09:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

all bets are off,  "do what thou wilt, that is the whole of the law":thumbup:  Ultimately no one knows what is better or worse.  :shrug:


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Re: is America a [Re: Icelander]
    #14063356 - 03/03/11 10:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I prefer the hidden corollary that Crowley taught the A:.A:., "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, but don't be surprised by the barstool to the back of your head if you go around acting like a dick."

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Re: is America a [Re: GazzBut]
    #14063595 - 03/03/11 10:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
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You're not answering what I said. Why would somebody willing give their technology to you for no compensation?




Why did you ask this question? Who suggested people need to give their technology to anyone for no compensation? Because Flowing suggested we might need to look at a system other than Capitalism? If so, a system other than capitalism does not necessarily lead to uncompensated farmers! In my opinion it doesn't matter which system you apply, it always comes down to the individuals applying the system and the way they apply that system.

Quote:

It is limited and we will always be fighting over it.




If we could overcome the mental issues that we suffer from which lead, amongst other things, to such inefficient use of current resources, I feel sure we could easily stretch the resources at our disposal to last until such a time as technology could provide us with infinite energy and resource. I think we could also achieve this without having to resort to fighting like little children but as I said, we have severe mental issues preventing us from doing this!




Flowing stated that he would like a society without bloodthirsty competition. You assert that this will be possible in the future, fine.

Tell me, what "technology" could we use to create this society and do you have any plans as to how this society would function.

Also: You want to restructure society based on an incredible assumption that resources will somehow become infinite in the near future? No thanks.

Edited by Mind Transcribing (03/03/11 10:48 PM)

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Re: is America a [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14064193 - 03/04/11 12:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

America is NEVER a lost cause!  It's the last free country on earth!

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Re: is America a [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064201 - 03/04/11 12:45 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Somalia is free in its own crazy way :durrhurr:


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Re: is America a [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14064215 - 03/04/11 12:48 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Somalia is a haven for TERRORISTS!  They KILL AMERICANS!

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Re: is America a [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064236 - 03/04/11 12:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You're a right wing straw man parody, we get it.


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Re: is America a [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14064245 - 03/04/11 12:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You're a commie parody.  We get it.

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Re: is America a [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14064355 - 03/04/11 01:39 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Tell me, what "technology" could we use to create this society and do you have any plans as to how this society would function.




I would say a combination of nanotechnology, quantum computing and exponential increases in the effectiveness of clean energy sources. Also vertical farming using aeroponics / hydroponics could have a large part to play. Also, as we advance further into space we can move alot of heavy industry off planet where it causes no harm to the environment and theoretically will run alot more efficiently. Long term we can even consider mining the various moons and planets in the solar system. I dont see technology as the problem, I see the human mind as the problem. Given the choice between optimism and pessimism I will choose optimism as it feels like the fun option to me!

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You want to restructure society based on an incredible assumption that resources will somehow become infinite in the near future?




If you keep up with current scientific trends then I dont believe that it seems such an incredible assumption. However, we could restructure society now with the technology currently at our disposal and I think the human race would do just fine with no need to fight over the resources we have. That of course would require us to give up the fear, greed and power games though, so once again I dont see the problem as technology or resources but the human mind.


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Re: is America a [Re: Icelander]
    #14064359 - 03/04/11 01:41 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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do what thou wilt, that is the whole of the law":thumbup:




and dont forget the bit all the Crowley haters leave off...

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Re: is America a [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064838 - 03/04/11 06:35 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Can you prove that? 

I'm constantly being threatened with jail for putting drugs in my body that hurts no one.  Yeah that's totally free all right.


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Re: is America a [Re: GazzBut]
    #14065019 - 03/04/11 08:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Tell me, what "technology" could we use to create this society and do you have any plans as to how this society would function.




I would say a combination of nanotechnology, quantum computing and exponential increases in the effectiveness of clean energy sources. Also vertical farming using aeroponics / hydroponics could have a large part to play. Also, as we advance further into space we can move alot of heavy industry off planet where it causes no harm to the environment and theoretically will run alot more efficiently. Long term we can even consider mining the various moons and planets in the solar system. I dont see technology as the problem, I see the human mind as the problem. Given the choice between optimism and pessimism I will choose optimism as it feels like the fun option to me!

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You want to restructure society based on an incredible assumption that resources will somehow become infinite in the near future?




If you keep up with current scientific trends then I dont believe that it seems such an incredible assumption. However, we could restructure society now with the technology currently at our disposal and I think the human race would do just fine with no need to fight over the resources we have. That of course would require us to give up the fear, greed and power games though, so once again I dont see the problem as technology or resources but the human mind.




"Some of the recently developed nanoparticle products may have unintended consequences. Researchers have discovered that silver nanoparticles used in socks only to reduce foot odor are being released in the wash with possible negative consequences.[40] Silver nanoparticles, which are bacteriostatic, may then destroy beneficial bacteria which are important for breaking down organic matter in waste treatment plants or farms.[41]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology

A two-year study at UCLA's School of Public Health found lab mice consuming nano-titanium dioxide showed DNA and chromosome damage to a degree "linked to all the big killers of man, namely cancer, heart disease, neurological disease and aging".[45]

It is obvious that this technology has its flaws. Vertical farming looks to have many many downsides as well ranging from huge maintenance costs to high energy intake.  Clearly you are the pessimistic one because you feel mankind is mentally sick and can only find solace in an ideal world where everything goes to plan.

Pushing forward an entire restructuring of society based on these vague technological possibilities could lead to catastrophic results. Until you figure out how to get infinite energy your point is moot, and I would still like to see how you plan to distribute all this supposed energy.


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Re: is America a [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14065394 - 03/04/11 09:48 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

*edited

reason: nvm

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    #14065430 - 03/04/11 09:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Moria… You fear to go into those mines. The Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep. Shadow and Flame!
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    #14069520 - 03/05/11 02:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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"Some of the recently developed nanoparticle products may have unintended consequences. Researchers have discovered that silver nanoparticles used in socks only to reduce foot odor are being released in the wash with possible negative consequences.[40] Silver nanoparticles, which are bacteriostatic, may then destroy beneficial bacteria which are important for breaking down organic matter in waste treatment plants or farms.[41]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology

A two-year study at UCLA's School of Public Health found lab mice consuming nano-titanium dioxide showed DNA and chromosome damage to a degree "linked to all the big killers of man, namely cancer, heart disease, neurological disease and aging".[45]

It is obvious that this technology has its flaws.




Not really a big surprise! Can you name any major technology that has been plain sailing all the way? These technologies haven't even begun to touch upon their full potential yet.

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Clearly you are the pessimistic one because you feel mankind is mentally sick




Hmmm..well would you really describe the current state of affairs on this planet as mentally sane and healthy?

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Pushing forward an entire restructuring of society based on these vague technological possibilities could lead to catastrophic results.




You miss my point. I think with our current technology we could do just fine if we could solve the issues in our mind which cause us to live our lives governed by fear and greed. The future technology will just make this far easier in practical terms.

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I would still like to see how you plan to distribute all this supposed energy.
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Lol! I think you would need to ask minds much more capable than mine to get an answer to that question :smile:


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Re: is America a [Re: GazzBut]
    #14069657 - 03/05/11 05:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Clearly you are the pessimistic one because you feel mankind is mentally sick




Hmmm..well would you really describe the current state of affairs on this planet as mentally sane and healthy?




We may not agree on a great many things... but I can't argue with this. It's a mentally sick, sick world on which we live.


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Re: is America a [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14069732 - 03/05/11 06:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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We may not agree on a great many things... but I can't argue with this. It's a mentally sick, sick world on which we live.





I've been through a lot  in my life and have seen first hand how much of this world works, from the bottom of social orders to the top.
I couldn't agree more...:sad:

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Everything is a lost cause. Everything is temporary.  Try to enjoy what is here now.:satansmoking:




Listen to what Icelander said here, this, I have learned, is what matters.




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Re: is America a [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14069873 - 03/05/11 07:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Of course the realization of this would be the end of the political forum. :lol:

But IMO knowing it's a lost cause is a great relief. But it takes some time to get used to.:satansmoking:


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    #14070707 - 03/05/11 12:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So you only "know" it because it provides relief?....Convincing arguement :smile:

I know it looks pretty fucked but I think we will get through to the other side of the ride!


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Re: is America a [Re: GazzBut]
    #14070775 - 03/05/11 12:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I never said  what you said I said. :lol:

Can you demonstrate one thing that lasts?


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    #14071037 - 03/05/11 01:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I never said  what you said I said. :lol:

Can you demonstrate one thing that lasts?




Scotch hangovers.


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Re: is America a [Re: TGRR]
    #14071065 - 03/05/11 01:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Snatch hangovers?


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Re: is America a [Re: Icelander]
    #14079633 - 03/07/11 04:48 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You lost me mate! I thought you were saying its all a lost cause? I was disagreeing...although now its Monday morning and Im at work im not so sure!


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Re: is America a [Re: GazzBut] * 1
    #14079730 - 03/07/11 06:23 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I'm saying that in a few short years this will be forgotten and we will all be dead and to get all worked up about this shit is to miss the reality behind it.  I'm well aware this attitude will not go over well in a political forum where everyone is all caught up in the drama. :satansmoking:


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Re: is America a [Re: Icelander]
    #14079881 - 03/07/11 07:34 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm saying that in a few short years this will be forgotten and we will all be dead and to get all worked up about this shit is to miss the reality behind it.  I'm well aware this attitude will not go over well in a political forum where everyone is all caught up in the drama. :satansmoking:



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Re: is America a [Re: lysergicasians]
    #14080059 - 03/07/11 08:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

:haha:


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