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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Icelander]
    #14059995 - 03/03/11 01:14 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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But I'm exceptional.:satansmoking:




Bravo! We need more exceptional people on this ship :smile:


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: GazzBut]
    #14060019 - 03/03/11 01:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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You're not answering what I said. Why would somebody willing give their technology to you for no compensation?




Why did you ask this question? Who suggested people need to give their technology to anyone for no compensation? Because Flowing suggested we might need to look at a system other than Capitalism? If so, a system other than capitalism does not necessarily lead to uncompensated farmers! In my opinion it doesn't matter which system you apply, it always comes down to the individuals applying the system and the way they apply that system.

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It is limited and we will always be fighting over it.




If we could overcome the mental issues that we suffer from which lead, amongst other things, to such inefficient use of current resources, I feel sure we could easily stretch the resources at our disposal to last until such a time as technology could provide us with infinite energy and resource. I think we could also achieve this without having to resort to fighting like little children but as I said, we have severe mental issues preventing us from doing this!





It's worse than you think, IMO.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12249909
A UK government-commissioned study into food security has called for urgent action to avert global hunger.

The Foresight Report on Food and Farming Futures says the current system is unsustainable and will fail to end hunger unless radically redesigned.

It is the first study across a range of disciplines deemed to have put such fears on a firm analytical footing.

The report is the culmination of a two-year study, involving 400 experts from 35 countries.

According to the government's chief scientific adviser, Professor Sir John Beddington, the study provides compelling evidence for governments to act now.

The report emphasises changes to farming, to ensure that increasing yields does not come at the expense of sustainability and to provide incentives to the agricultural sector that address malnutrition.

It also recommends that the most resource-intensive types of food are curbed and that waste is minimised in food production.

"We know in the next 20 years the world population will increase to something like 8.3 billion people," he told BBC News.

"We know that urbanisation is going to be a driver and that something of the order of 65-70% of the world's population will be living in cities at that time.

"We know that the world is getting more prosperous and that the demand for basic commodities - food, water and energy - will be rising as that prosperity increases, increasing at the same time as the population."

He warned: "We have 20 years to arguably deliver something of the order of 40% more food; 30% more available fresh water and of the order of 50% more energy.

"We can't wait 20 years or 10 years indeed - this is really urgent."

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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: GazzBut]
    #14060023 - 03/03/11 01:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

true dat!


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Icelander]
    #14062992 - 03/03/11 08:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Like I said.....  we're fucked like chuck.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14063090 - 03/03/11 09:14 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That's why I'm grateful to be nearing the end of my days rather than where you guys are at.  It looks grim to me. I hold out no hope that mankind will become sane even when the shit is fully in the fan.  As Frank Zappa said. "We is dumb all over":shrug::monkeydance:


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Re: is America a [Re: Icelander]
    #14063095 - 03/03/11 09:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
That's why I'm grateful to be nearing the end of my days rather than where you guys are at.  It looks grim to me. I hold out no hope that mankind will become sane even when the shit is fully in the fan.  As Frank Zappa said. "We is dumb all over":shrug::monkeydance:




well,

since im 18, i'll just try and do the "rebel" thing and play onto this subculture of unorganized drug use and spiritual downfall of civilization through fear and manipulative social division, but still systematically (and submissively) oppressing the very ideas i try to promote on an idealistic level, as many americans do

our government fundamentally promotes elitism. which is fundamentally against (political) freedom and (civil/social) liberty

pretty lame, huh

Edited by lysergicasians (03/03/11 09:27 PM)

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Re: is America a [Re: lysergicasians]
    #14063141 - 03/03/11 09:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

all bets are off,  "do what thou wilt, that is the whole of the law":thumbup:  Ultimately no one knows what is better or worse.  :shrug:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: is America a [Re: Icelander]
    #14063356 - 03/03/11 10:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I prefer the hidden corollary that Crowley taught the A:.A:., "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, but don't be surprised by the barstool to the back of your head if you go around acting like a dick."

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OfflineMind Transcribing
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Re: is America a [Re: GazzBut]
    #14063595 - 03/03/11 10:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
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You're not answering what I said. Why would somebody willing give their technology to you for no compensation?




Why did you ask this question? Who suggested people need to give their technology to anyone for no compensation? Because Flowing suggested we might need to look at a system other than Capitalism? If so, a system other than capitalism does not necessarily lead to uncompensated farmers! In my opinion it doesn't matter which system you apply, it always comes down to the individuals applying the system and the way they apply that system.

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It is limited and we will always be fighting over it.




If we could overcome the mental issues that we suffer from which lead, amongst other things, to such inefficient use of current resources, I feel sure we could easily stretch the resources at our disposal to last until such a time as technology could provide us with infinite energy and resource. I think we could also achieve this without having to resort to fighting like little children but as I said, we have severe mental issues preventing us from doing this!




Flowing stated that he would like a society without bloodthirsty competition. You assert that this will be possible in the future, fine.

Tell me, what "technology" could we use to create this society and do you have any plans as to how this society would function.

Also: You want to restructure society based on an incredible assumption that resources will somehow become infinite in the near future? No thanks.

Edited by Mind Transcribing (03/03/11 10:48 PM)

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Re: is America a [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14064193 - 03/04/11 12:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

America is NEVER a lost cause!  It's the last free country on earth!

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Re: is America a [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064201 - 03/04/11 12:45 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Somalia is free in its own crazy way :durrhurr:


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Re: is America a [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14064215 - 03/04/11 12:48 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Somalia is a haven for TERRORISTS!  They KILL AMERICANS!

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Re: is America a [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064236 - 03/04/11 12:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You're a right wing straw man parody, we get it.


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Re: is America a [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14064245 - 03/04/11 12:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You're a commie parody.  We get it.

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Re: is America a [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14064355 - 03/04/11 01:39 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Tell me, what "technology" could we use to create this society and do you have any plans as to how this society would function.




I would say a combination of nanotechnology, quantum computing and exponential increases in the effectiveness of clean energy sources. Also vertical farming using aeroponics / hydroponics could have a large part to play. Also, as we advance further into space we can move alot of heavy industry off planet where it causes no harm to the environment and theoretically will run alot more efficiently. Long term we can even consider mining the various moons and planets in the solar system. I dont see technology as the problem, I see the human mind as the problem. Given the choice between optimism and pessimism I will choose optimism as it feels like the fun option to me!

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You want to restructure society based on an incredible assumption that resources will somehow become infinite in the near future?




If you keep up with current scientific trends then I dont believe that it seems such an incredible assumption. However, we could restructure society now with the technology currently at our disposal and I think the human race would do just fine with no need to fight over the resources we have. That of course would require us to give up the fear, greed and power games though, so once again I dont see the problem as technology or resources but the human mind.


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Re: is America a [Re: Icelander]
    #14064359 - 03/04/11 01:41 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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do what thou wilt, that is the whole of the law":thumbup:




and dont forget the bit all the Crowley haters leave off...

Love is the law. Love under will. :smile:


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Re: is America a [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064838 - 03/04/11 06:35 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Can you prove that? 

I'm constantly being threatened with jail for putting drugs in my body that hurts no one.  Yeah that's totally free all right.


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Re: is America a [Re: GazzBut]
    #14065019 - 03/04/11 08:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
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Tell me, what "technology" could we use to create this society and do you have any plans as to how this society would function.




I would say a combination of nanotechnology, quantum computing and exponential increases in the effectiveness of clean energy sources. Also vertical farming using aeroponics / hydroponics could have a large part to play. Also, as we advance further into space we can move alot of heavy industry off planet where it causes no harm to the environment and theoretically will run alot more efficiently. Long term we can even consider mining the various moons and planets in the solar system. I dont see technology as the problem, I see the human mind as the problem. Given the choice between optimism and pessimism I will choose optimism as it feels like the fun option to me!

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You want to restructure society based on an incredible assumption that resources will somehow become infinite in the near future?




If you keep up with current scientific trends then I dont believe that it seems such an incredible assumption. However, we could restructure society now with the technology currently at our disposal and I think the human race would do just fine with no need to fight over the resources we have. That of course would require us to give up the fear, greed and power games though, so once again I dont see the problem as technology or resources but the human mind.




"Some of the recently developed nanoparticle products may have unintended consequences. Researchers have discovered that silver nanoparticles used in socks only to reduce foot odor are being released in the wash with possible negative consequences.[40] Silver nanoparticles, which are bacteriostatic, may then destroy beneficial bacteria which are important for breaking down organic matter in waste treatment plants or farms.[41]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology

A two-year study at UCLA's School of Public Health found lab mice consuming nano-titanium dioxide showed DNA and chromosome damage to a degree "linked to all the big killers of man, namely cancer, heart disease, neurological disease and aging".[45]

It is obvious that this technology has its flaws. Vertical farming looks to have many many downsides as well ranging from huge maintenance costs to high energy intake.  Clearly you are the pessimistic one because you feel mankind is mentally sick and can only find solace in an ideal world where everything goes to plan.

Pushing forward an entire restructuring of society based on these vague technological possibilities could lead to catastrophic results. Until you figure out how to get infinite energy your point is moot, and I would still like to see how you plan to distribute all this supposed energy.


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Re: is America a [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14065394 - 03/04/11 09:48 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

*edited

reason: nvm

Edited by lysergicasians (03/04/11 09:50 AM)

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Re: is America a [Re: lysergicasians] * 1
    #14065430 - 03/04/11 09:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Moria… You fear to go into those mines. The Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep. Shadow and Flame!
From The Lord of the Ring

We don't know the future and when trying to alter things care must be taken.

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