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Invisiblelysergicasians
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is America a "lost cause"?
    #14054076 - 03/02/11 11:25 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)



What do you feel about all the things happening in the world? Do people just suck or was it all manically planned? Could it be both?

What's your take on the problems in america? Is the country salvageable? If so, how so and why so with all the sustainable evidence that this country is fundamentally broken? politics that prey on idealistic principle for mass-manipulation. we principally fund this broken system with promises of a future worth working for?

I feel that America is fundamentally broken, on the premise of unfair and oppressive political representation. We "elect" these politicans that purposely mislead and manipulate the amerian people instead of protecting/fighting for their civil rights and liberties. they only pursue their own agenda of increased financial gain and perpetuated control of power through years of political submission and political accreditation, which systematically forces the politician to "sell out" all/any beliefs.

proving that all politicans are all bought and paid for under the real "america" agenda. which is domination and control, the exact opposite of liberty and freedom.

...it's all a big inside-joke, too bad it's seriously evil and totally relative to our lives.

D:

Edited by lysergicasians (03/02/11 11:54 AM)

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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: lysergicasians]
    #14054102 - 03/02/11 11:31 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, since 1492.

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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: lysergicasians]
    #14054119 - 03/02/11 11:34 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Everything is a lost cause. Everything is temporary.  Try to enjoy what is here now.:satansmoking:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Invisiblelysergicasians
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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054203 - 03/02/11 11:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Everything is a lost cause. Everything is temporary.  Try to enjoy what is here now.:satansmoking:



fuck.

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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054223 - 03/02/11 11:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Society is made of individuals, you are one of them.
There are many individuals like us who wish for change,
hell there are millions of people who hate their jobs,
wish they could have had free education,
wish they could have used their potential fully.

The potential is definitely there to convince people that there is a better way.

The problem is the stigma against anything other than capitalism.


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could make up their own minds.
His motto, as head of one of the first and
most important review panels, was great encouragement: "We're not here
to play God."


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Flowing]
    #14054385 - 03/02/11 12:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That sounds nice but I don't think it's really true.  Nature demands survival and survival is a challenge. Most if not all of those complaining about Capitalism are really complaining that they have trouble with the challenges of survival.

To use ones potential one has to take everything as a challenge rather than a handout or something deserved or something they could do if this or that were different.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Icelander]
    #14054892 - 03/02/11 02:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I have faith in my country. I feel we are in a slump atm. But we will come out of it stronger than ever.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Flowing]
    #14054992 - 03/02/11 02:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

We only survive because of our technology, and with this technology we can make survival very easy. I'd rather have a peaceful society without the bloodthirsty competition.


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He believed that educated people
could make up their own minds.
His motto, as head of one of the first and
most important review panels, was great encouragement: "We're not here
to play God."


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Flowing]
    #14056877 - 03/02/11 08:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This country is going down the shithole fast and no one is doing a damn thing because American Idol is on.


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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14056887 - 03/02/11 08:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ChelleLaBelle said:
This country is going down the shithole fast and no one is doing a damn thing because American Idol is on.




So stop watching it.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14056936 - 03/02/11 08:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

ChelleLaBelle said:
This country is going down the shithole fast and no one is doing a damn thing because American Idol is on.




So stop watching it.




Sorry you missed it.


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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14056949 - 03/02/11 08:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ChelleLaBelle said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

ChelleLaBelle said:
This country is going down the shithole fast and no one is doing a damn thing because American Idol is on.




So stop watching it.




Sorry you missed it.




I'm not at all sorry.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14056996 - 03/02/11 08:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

ChelleLaBelle said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

ChelleLaBelle said:
This country is going down the shithole fast and no one is doing a damn thing because American Idol is on.




So stop watching it.




Sorry you missed it.




I'm not at all sorry.




You should be as it was "the point" and all.....


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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Icelander]
    #14058189 - 03/03/11 02:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Most if not all of those complaining about Capitalism are really complaining that they have trouble with the challenges of survival.





I dont buy that one bit. I know plenty of people who can waltz through life easily enough but still feel the current Capatilist system needs a massive overhaul.


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OfflineMind Transcribing
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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Flowing]
    #14058654 - 03/03/11 07:45 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Flowing said:
We only survive because of our technology, and with this technology we can make survival very easy. I'd rather have a peaceful society without the bloodthirsty competition.



Untrue. We survive because of the will to survive in the face of mass competition with everything from cells, animals, to other people etc. The ingenuity of inventing via our hands and advanced thinking skills is based in the will to overcome challenges in the environment. Why would anybody in their right mind want to give you their hard earned inventions for free?


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14058693 - 03/03/11 08:06 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Untrue. We survive because of the will to survive in the face of mass competition with everything from cells, animals, to other people etc. The ingenuity of inventing via our hands and advanced thinking skills is based in the will to overcome challenges in the environment. Why would anybody in their right mind want to give you their hard earned inventions for free? 




I agree with Flowing. Our technology does allow us to survive very easily now. How many animals have you caught for food this week? Did it take long to get a fire started today?

Our technology has taken us past the real need to act from fear and acquisitiveness. Unfortunately our mind has not realised that or does not want to give up that game just yet.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: GazzBut]
    #14058760 - 03/03/11 08:33 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
Quote:

Most if not all of those complaining about Capitalism are really complaining that they have trouble with the challenges of survival.





I dont buy that one bit. I know plenty of people who can waltz through life easily enough but still feel the current Capatilist system needs a massive overhaul.





That's why I said "most" if not all. There's always a few exceptions. I'm not a big fan of so called Capitalism in America either although I've been successful and retired at 55.  But I'm exceptional.:satansmoking:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: GazzBut]
    #14059050 - 03/03/11 10:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

GazzBut said:
Quote:

Untrue. We survive because of the will to survive in the face of mass competition with everything from cells, animals, to other people etc. The ingenuity of inventing via our hands and advanced thinking skills is based in the will to overcome challenges in the environment. Why would anybody in their right mind want to give you their hard earned inventions for free? 




I agree with Flowing. Our technology does allow us to survive very easily now. How many animals have you caught for food this week? Did it take long to get a fire started today?

Our technology has taken us past the real need to act from fear and acquisitiveness. Unfortunately our mind has not realised that or does not want to give up that game just yet.




You're not answering what I said. Why would somebody willing give their technology to you for no compensation? The world is filled with limited resources, so why would a farmer give you the food he worked so hard to yield for free? Just because we live in an advanced society doesn't mean their are infinite resources to go around, nor does it mean you have any right to said resources simply because you exist.

Also, the amount of animals I catch per week is totally irrelevant to the discussion. We live in an advanced society primarily because I don't need to spend my energy catching food and building fires. However, I must contribute to society in other ways if it is my desire to reap the benefits of the hard work of others. Where do you think the resources for this technology comes from? It is limited and we will always be fighting over it.


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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14059092 - 03/03/11 10:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The U.S. is in deep trouble. We are over our heads in debt, we are fighting two wars we can't afford, social programs are being gutted, and the infrastructure is rotting. When it comes to education we are rapidly slipping globally.

Many "experts" feel that in 10 - 20 years we will economically collapse. We march on ignoring the fact that we spend more on 'defense' than many countries combined.

Our elected officials are too busy playing politics while they are screaming at each other around the giant elephant in the middle of the room.

So, yes, if genuine honest change doesn't happen very soon then America is a lost cause.

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Re: is America a "lost cause"? [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14059993 - 03/03/11 01:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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You're not answering what I said. Why would somebody willing give their technology to you for no compensation?




Why did you ask this question? Who suggested people need to give their technology to anyone for no compensation? Because Flowing suggested we might need to look at a system other than Capitalism? If so, a system other than capitalism does not necessarily lead to uncompensated farmers! In my opinion it doesn't matter which system you apply, it always comes down to the individuals applying the system and the way they apply that system.

Quote:

It is limited and we will always be fighting over it.




If we could overcome the mental issues that we suffer from which lead, amongst other things, to such inefficient use of current resources, I feel sure we could easily stretch the resources at our disposal to last until such a time as technology could provide us with infinite energy and resource. I think we could also achieve this without having to resort to fighting like little children but as I said, we have severe mental issues preventing us from doing this!


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