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Warp
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Second Salvia Trip (40x): 2 days later (Got the keys!)
#14006221 - 02/22/11 07:56 AM (13 years, 11 days ago) |
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I made my first post here yesterday about my first ever Salvia trip. For this to make complete sense I direct you to that first.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14001294
I wrote this as more of a personal documentation at first but figured I would post it anyway. That's the reason for the style that it's written in.
Anyway, to the point. My first trip had some influencing factors which I want to eliminate my second time. In general the conditions are going to be much more favourable and controlled. So here we go!
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I tried Salvia for the first time a couple days ago and I feel as if I’ve only turned the first page of a book that I absolutely must read. I did and still do feel reluctant to ever try Salvia again given the intensity of my first experience. Despite this, I still feel strangely compelled to carry on further. I guess I’m somewhat eager for a second opinion on it in relation to the first. Following this trip I assume I will need slightly more time off in between journeys as they are quite mentally fatiguing and not that enjoyable in the common sense of the word “joy”. The joy is the experience itself, though not necessarily at the time, and not a single identifiable euphoric feeling. I find what I enjoy most is simply reflecting upon of the mental events of the trip, even those which were terrifying at the time.
It’s 7:51 AM right now and I will be taking the Salvia shortly after 8:00 AM. I am alone in my room with no spotter, but have carefully prepared my “area” to best accommodate me for a safe and effective trip. I plan to take the bong hit on the side of the bed and retreat into the sheets upon exhalation. I think the warm, highly comfortable and familiar confines of my bed will only serve to relax me during my experience and allow me to better appreciate whatever happens.
As I write this I have everything setup behind me to begin. The extract is 40x extract purchased legally at a local shop and has been sampled already to prove its legitimacy. It’s black in colour and looks like flakey leaves or crystals. I have my iPod setup for some mellow and carefully selected background music, something I was without the first time, so I’m interested to see how that alters things, if at all.
Playlist: Rebel Emergency – Wander Far Away
Writing this prelude has done exactly what I hoped it would, cleared my mind and readied me for this journey.
With 3 minutes until blast-off, I turn off the lights and bid you farewell for now.
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I’m back and it’s 8:35am. I took the hit a few minutes after 8. This trip was different than the last in intensity and duration (shorter lived, more aware), but the overall sensation was identical. The initial feeling I get when I’m aware that the trip is beginning to take hold is the most obviously identifiable for me. It’s a change in presence of mind, as if entering a parallel bizarro-universe while still aware of the fact that you are still in the same world you have always been. For me it’s a growing feeling of oddity and almost twisted humour. I got the feeling that a joke is being played on me again, but not in a cruel way, more so that I’m just supposed to be aware of something...but what?
This is exactly as I felt during my first trip (right as everything, self included, started getting sucked into space and time), but that didn’t happen to the same extreme this time.
This time I was familiar with the feeling and identified it immediately. This definitely allowed me to relax and embrace it more. I think it takes getting used to the feeling of submission. You have to submit yourself to the flow of the trip. Being aware of what’s to come makes the strange feelings more comfortable and less, well, shocking and terrifying. I felt more in sync with the vacuum vortex that was sucking me block by block into space, my bed, the air, and everything else going with it. Quite simply I was ready for it this time and I was excited to see where it would take me, even though I already knew the general possibilities based on my first trip.
I really started to notice the music at this point as I felt feelings that reminded me strongly of my first experience. The lyrics seemed to be inviting me to do as they sang...the song was inviting me to take a journey. I felt myself being sucked piece by piece off my bed, feet first. As the lyrics progressed so did my trip, I was getting closer to being fully sucked through, I felt it reach my knees and I bent my legs. I really have to stress the role the song was playing at this point. This particular song just perfectly incorporated itself into everything I was feeling, thinking, expecting and wanting at the PERFECT moment in time. Everything seemed divinely coordinated. I was certain (and still am) that following this path, entering that vortex one more time, with my newly acquired courage and experience, is going to lead me somewhere that I am supposed to be. It feels as if the entire point of my existence is waiting for me right on the other side, I kid you not. I felt this in strong clarity and it was unmistakable.
That’s as far as it went this time though. I didn’t get sucked through again. I attribute entirely this to the lesser dosage and not the experience factor. I could definitely reproduce this effect and travel right through that vortex again with increased dosage, should I ever choose to in the future.
For the purposes of this second experiment I’m actually very happy I did not go through the vortex this time, as it definitely left me a lot more shaken up than I am currently. Everything on this end of the vortex, while still clearly abnormal, at least FEELS like it’s on the right planet and in the right dimension. Through the vortex this is not true and anything is possible. That’s where the REAL trip lies. Not going through this time has left me clear headed enough to accurately understand my experiences and able to use them as guidelines in the future and I’m certainly grateful for that. I do however feel that the next time will be FAR less scary. Upon reflecting upon my first experience now, the fear seemed to come from the sheer magnitude of the shock I got every time something twisted and unexpected happened. It was like a pop-up horror movie...not that scary when you know what’s going to happen, but if you’re not ready for it you’re definitely going to scream and jump. That being said...
I now feel like I’ve got the keys to a door I didn’t know existed until two days ago and I definitely plan to open it in the future. I think I’ll wait a while though, I’m not sure I’m ready for my existence to be explained and unravelled before my eyes. Despite what I read about it distracting you, music makes for a really interesting factor and I think the right song can really influence the early moments of your trip. If anything it might help you get into the proper mindset and make it easier to mentally submit if you are unfamiliar with the feeling. I highly recommend the song I used as the lyrics really make you feel as if you’re going on some divine journey, and they progress in a manner than can really parallel the speed and intensity levels of your trip.
Edited by Warp (02/22/11 09:24 AM)
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redgreenvines
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Re: Second Salvia Trip (40x): 2 days later (Got the keys!) [Re: Warp]
#14053472 - 03/02/11 09:20 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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when you say Quote:
I was certain (and still am) that following this path, entering that vortex one more time, with my newly acquired courage and experience, is going to lead me somewhere that I am supposed to be
you echo a common but largely incorrect sentiment. the places you get to are artifacts of buffered states of mind. the various buffered states are S-A-L-V-I-A -- each letter standing for a state of mind that is progressively more buffered than the last (by chemically induced extension of fadeout of signals in the cerebral cortex)
while in the onset you go progressively through the states, which start with Subtle, proceed through Altered (oddness), becoming enhanced (Light Visual), then Visionary (both philosophical and some hallucinatory scenes) - and finally Immaterial (things dissolve into each other, time can go backwards - rules are different)...
GOING farther than this you reach Amnesiac state ( the final 'A' in S-A-L-V-I-A ), when you may move about or do things that you do not recall, cannot recall, experiencing and memory have become dysfunctional.
Note you do not go beyond Immaterial.
revisiting what I am saying, the states S-A-L-V-I-A each exhibit longer and longer signal fade-out. There is lots to learn about yourself in watching this.
Slower fade-outs means that things overlap and co-exist in mind - enriching color, sensation - creating trails and tracers, multiplying selves, not just thoughts but entire fragments of personality can continue to resonate long after several other subsequent personality fragments have taken hold.
It helps to analyze what you are experiencing in terms of gestalt, resonance, and persistence (slower fading) - much is not as was assumed when the relationships are examined in this light.
The more story book fantasy idea that we are being held back on a spiritual quest with real entities (separate from self) still takes hold for most people. They prepare and dose higher, but it give nothing back except perspiration and sometimes embarrassment.
Beyond a certain dosage you will black out. FACT.
so the secret is not in upping the dose but in how you notice what happens.
At Visionary and Immaterial (states which are like dimensions but not places as such), the overlapped universe(s) can reveal many clues that have been ignored as we bumble through our everyday life, but these visions are made of what we already are, extended into what we already are.
Although not specifically pleasurable, Salvia is a treat I keep coming back to; i.e. I like coming back to myself.
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Re: Second Salvia Trip (40x): 2 days later (Got the keys!) [Re: redgreenvines]
#14053558 - 03/02/11 09:38 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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Good post vines. "Although not specifically pleasurable, Salvia is a treat I keep coming back to; i.e. I like coming back to myself."
Well put, and i think thats why i like to do it on occasions, but only when it will be beneficial to my being. Its kinda like ego death, but not total death, more like a shunning or something.
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