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Nepal sadhus banned from selling cannabis at temple
    #14053510 - 03/02/11 09:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nepal sadhus banned from selling cannabis at temple
March 1, 2011 - BBC

Thousands of sadhus - or holy men - have been banned from selling cannabis to festival-goers at an ancient temple in Nepal.

They are gathering at Pashupatinath Temple in Kathmandu to celebrate the Hindu festival of Shivaratri.

Sadhus - Hindus who renounce the world around them - traditionally celebrate Shivaratri by smoking cannabis.

But those found selling drugs at the temple this year will face eviction by armed police, temple officials say.

Since last week police have been mingling with the sadhus in plain clothes to identify anyone selling drugs.

About 20 sadhus have already been arrested and have been moved to an area outside the city, officials say.

The Hindu god Shiva is said to have enjoyed smoking cannabis.

Because of that sadhus - who mostly live in forests, caves and temples - see their use of the drug as receiving a blessing from him.

Thousands of sadhus have travelled from India for the festival - which falls on 2 March this year - and the temple authority has said it does not object to the sadhus smoking cannabis for their own worship.

Despite this, the Pashupati Area Development Trust (PADT) wants to ensure the drug is not sold on the temple premises.

"Over the past few years, the use of drugs has become more widespread and it's also become commercial," PADT Member Secretary Sushil Nahata told the BBC.

"It has spoilt the essence of the festival."

"We heard a lot of rumours that sadhus were selling these drugs. We tried to stop them doing this last year, but weren't able to," said Mr Nahata.

"This year we've started a proper campaign."

The PADT has put together a task force of 25 people, including police and armed police officers, to enforce the ban.

"We have only found limited amounts of hashish in cigarettes so far," Mr Nahata said.

He added: "Any sadhus arrested with large quantities of the drug will be sent to jail."


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Re: Nepal sadhus banned from selling cannabis at temple [Re: veggie]
    #14053600 - 03/02/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think I see a problem with this. It seems they are only throwing drug dealers out of a holy area, not the sadhus simply smoking charas.

My little experience of hanging out with various sadhus, they can be grouped into two subtypes: good babas and bad babas.

Good babas are exactly what a sadhu is supposed to be. They are incredibly friendly, and so generous that I never found one who had more than the bare essentials. In other words, none with a stockpile of either charas to sell or money to horde. Almost always giving me more than I gave them.

Bad babas, on the other hand, are little more than beggars and sketchy individuals who use the pretense of being a sadhu to make their sketchy street dealings a little easier to get away with. They will almost always try to sell you something, often charas. Getting mad at you if you don't get them a donation.

If it is only these bad babas getting thrown out, not the actual sadhus, than yay for keeping their temple sacred and free of outside greed/attachments.


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Re: Nepal sadhus banned from selling cannabis at temple [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #14053738 - 03/02/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Using men with machine guns to physically evict people isn't the way of the peace and certainly doesn't ring of renunciation.

There are good and evil spirits.  You need to be able to navigate through them on this plane in order to do so on another.

Bad babas are there for a reason.


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    #14053812 - 03/02/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Normally I would agree, but this temple is one of the most sacred sites associated with Shiva--no non-hindus are allowed to set foot within. Can you think of any religious community that allows people to openly break their own religious tenets within their temples, let alone on some of their most sacred ground?

Sacred sites are meant to be exactly that. Though there probably is a better way to enforce it than with armed guards--the community refusing to buy into the greed of the bad babas while on temple grounds.

If they are arresting those who simply are sharing cannabis with others, not just those selling it, than I will have a different opinion.


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Re: Nepal sadhus banned from selling cannabis at temple [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #14054111 - 03/02/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
Normally I would agree, but this temple is one of the most sacred sites associated with Shiva--no non-hindus are allowed to set foot within. Can you think of any religious community that allows people to openly break their own religious tenets within their temples, let alone on some of their most sacred ground?

Sacred sites are meant to be exactly that. Though there probably is a better way to enforce it than with armed guards--the community refusing to buy into the greed of the bad babas while on temple grounds.

If they are arresting those who simply are sharing cannabis with others, not just those selling it, than I will have a different opinion.




pretty much with you on that, Sounds like they had people pretending in order to make a buck really, So the people not trying to sell at the temple should be left alone, figured if they were legit they would share with each other, instead of trying to make a dollar or what not.


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Re: Nepal sadhus banned from selling cannabis at temple [Re: idunno]
    #14054966 - 03/02/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

either way i don't like it. fuck that. how can they turn other son if they can't sell it? also, here giving is considered selling. don't take the words so literally. they are busting people for giving/buying/selling/consuming pot. yeah they SAY they are not fucking withe the sadhus. but you know they are.


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Re: Nepal sadhus banned from selling cannabis at temple [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14055216 - 03/02/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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how can they turn other son if they can't sell it?



Share it freely?
These guys see getting high as essentially being blessed by Shiva. No monetary value can be placed on such an experience. Sharing the plant freely will bring far greater benefits karmically than the short term benefit money may bring--belief in this is why these guys became sadhus in the first place.


The sadhus ritual of smoking hashish is a communal one, so sharing is necessary if it is to happen. According to the article, this is still being allowed to go on, and is recognized as a legitimate religious use. If this is not true, than I will agree with you, but all we have to go on is the article.

I'm not so afraid that the good babas will be harmed though. The majority [if not all] of the police in Nepal are devout hindus, and as such they will be very hesitant to insult a holy sadhu, for fear of divine retribution. This is why the bad babas exists, put on some orange robes and some prayer beads and suddenly you can openly break the law without police doing more than perhaps move you along. It seems that the priests have decided they do not want this element in their temple, and have taken steps to make sure it isn't.


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Re: Nepal sadhus banned from selling cannabis at temple [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #14055565 - 03/02/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i was trying to illuminate the fact that here in america, giving marijuana is considered selling it. that in turn would make it impossible to even give the pot away. anytime you open the door to stiff regulation on any accord, there is no limit. We tend to push that view onto other parts of the world. i just don't like it thats all.


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Re: Nepal sadhus banned from selling cannabis at temple [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #14056177 - 03/02/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

whoops :smile:

*edited for sillyness


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