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    #14053319 - 03/02/11 08:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

how many of you guys use one......ive been having potency issues lately im just wondering if i should use another method......i grew off of some fungus amungus mix and they turned out to be not potent.....but could it be the heat im drying with i have the dehydrator running now and im going to post the gtemps later

anyhelp is appreciated
normally i grow on millet and the potency is good


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Re: dehydrator [Re: deathinchaos]
    #14053699 - 03/02/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

temps are 120 plus....i have some fan drying ....so im going to do a comparison later this week.


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Re: dehydrator [Re: deathinchaos]
    #14053933 - 03/02/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Easy solution, dry half in dehydrator and the other half air dry with desiccant. Compare that way then figure if it genetics or drying method. if its genes just start over and isolate


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Re: dehydrator [Re: djmako7]
    #14053980 - 03/02/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I use my convection oven @ 120-130F.
It works great.


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Re: dehydrator [Re: Luger0815]
    #14054174 - 03/02/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Luger0815 said:
I use my convection oven @ 120-130F.
It works great.





heat degrades active ingredients I highly advise against using any methods that use heat


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Re: dehydrator [Re: djmako7]
    #14054201 - 03/02/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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heat degrades active ingredients I highly advise against using any methods that use heat





the amount of heat and time required to degrade the active ingredients is, as to my knowledge, unkown. I personally dry at 150F for 2.5-3 hours with no noticeable potency loss.


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Re: dehydrator [Re: djmako7]
    #14054618 - 03/02/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Luger0815 said:
I use my convection oven @ 120-130F.
It works great.





heat degrades active ingredients I highly advise against using any methods that use heat





this is old and outdated info, its been discussed many many times..

dehydrators do not cause potency loss, no matter what heat setting you use..

ppl use ovens to dry their shrooms with no potency losss...RR cooks his on the grill at 1200 degree's and doesn't lose potency..


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Re: dehydrator [Re: biologys]
    #14054680 - 03/02/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I dry at 135 degrees in my dehydrator and the potency is fine.  Some of the thicker stems take up to 10 hours to get cracker dry but it does nothing noticable to the electyric bill either and I use it pretty much daily.

I never tried any other drying method but I never will either because these are so nice and easy, I highly recomend them for this hobby...plus you get to make your own kick ass jerky!


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Re: dehydrator [Re: TheCannabisSativa]
    #14054744 - 03/02/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've just been placing my shrooms in a mesh strainer, and placed on top of a fan... 72 hours later, cracker dry.

I also put an exacto slice into the big, thick ones to allow moisture to escape.


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Re: dehydrator [Re: FalseMaria]
    #14054768 - 03/02/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

wow thats a long time!


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Re: dehydrator [Re: TheCannabisSativa]
    #14056750 - 03/02/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Its just that im having potency issues...so im really looking into this...i grow multispore that might be the problem, but i use millet so i know that is solid ingriedient


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Re: dehydrator [Re: djmako7]
    #14056781 - 03/02/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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heat degrades active ingredients




Nobody has ever posted a source for this. Can you?


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Re: dehydrator [Re: Doc_T]
    #14056850 - 03/02/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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heat degrades active ingredients




Nobody has ever posted a source for this. Can you?




RR will report that he grills (or grilled) his active fruits,
and that this had no effect on their potency.

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Re: dehydrator [Re: Doc_T]
    #14056884 - 03/02/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So if you don't bring the heat up to pasteurizes it. Aww  it's dead and the nutrients are there..What kind of heat do you need to kill that??? :bonghit:


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Re: dehydrator [Re: pepper]
    #14058828 - 03/03/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

All I know, is once I baked shrooms into some brownies... They had absolutely ZERO effect, and was a waste of time and mushrooms.

Since then I have avoided heat + mushies.


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Re: dehydrator [Re: biologys]
    #14059371 - 03/03/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Very nice thread!  I didn't know that the heat degredation was a myth and that one could just dehydrate using an oven; very helpful and good to know.


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Re: dehydrator [Re: dietrich]
    #14059705 - 03/03/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Very nice thread!  I didn't know that the heat degredation was a myth and that one could just dehydrate using an oven; very helpful and good to know.




As far as any evidence has ever shown, the molecule is stable at high temperatures.
RR grills shrooms, as mentioned above. People make tea or pizza. People extract using boiling ethanol in lab glass.

Lots of other organic molecules are heat-stable, from sugar to mescaline. So it's not terribly surprising that psilocybin is.


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Re: dehydrator [Re: Doc_T]
    #14059779 - 03/03/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

info on actives' melting point:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/psilocybin/psilocybin_chemistry.shtml

Cloneufc recently posted his experience with an oven:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14040332#14040332

dehydrators wont be a problem. Ovens are only a problem if the goodies are left in for too long.


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Re: dehydrator [Re: KingMob]
    #14059801 - 03/03/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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info on actives' melting point:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/psilocybin/psilocybin_chemistry.shtml




Oh, I knew I had seen that somewhere!

185C = about 365F, 220C = about 425F.
So baking gets you right into the melting zone, and damage to the magic is plausible, especially with a longer duration of heating.


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Re: dehydrator [Re: Doc_T]
    #14059844 - 03/03/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ah, ok then that explains what happened to me when I baked them. Good to know.

Now I just chew'em up with a swig of beer in my mouth. Takes care of the taste just fine.


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Re: dehydrator [Re: FalseMaria]
    #14059958 - 03/03/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If the temps stay below the 120F, at the drying process, they dont even bruise.
If you go higher with the temp they maybe turn azure/dark black but they will still rock.
An Electrical Oven or better an Convection Oven is the best choice IMO if you dont own a dehydrator.
Dont worry about potency lost, just try it.
It's easy as making french fries.


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