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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: circularvortex]
    #14051161 - 03/01/11 09:05 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

it always starts with a data set

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14051178 - 03/01/11 09:08 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

Yes, a dataset of nameless numbers with no link to the person those numbers represent


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: SS32]
    #14051369 - 03/01/11 09:42 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

Unless they see you and find out which number you are.  It's information they can use, and arouses paranoia for good reason.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru]
    #14051399 - 03/01/11 09:47 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

It arouses paranoia if you're prone to paranoia.  If you see things for what they really are, there's nothing to worry about.  The fact of the matter is, they CANNOT track you with RFID.  Learn about the capabilities/limits of the technology and see if you're still scared.  The chips are passive and in most cases, you have to be within a foot or two of a reader to power up the chip to get info from it.


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Did he dream about dragons? Did he dream about deer? Did he whisper  he names of friends who were near?
What songs did they play, and how far away? Why did he whisper, why did she scream?
What does the sound of a screen door mean?
Who talks on the hill? Who goes to the cellar, can you feel the chill? Where does the river, when will the wind?
How far are the mountains? Where do they end? Why would the church?
Did the service begin? Tell me who died, and tell me who cried.
Help me hide in the skin of a deer, my zippered-up bag in the mouth of a stag so swiftly I go through rows of does,
it flows, it flows, it flows, it flows all over the hill where the green grass grows.

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: SS32]
    #14051446 - 03/01/11 09:53 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

i mean i wouldn't really give a shit as long as i can still walk around really fucked up on drugs and not have to worry more than normal.  But I just don't like hearing about it, it's a direction i'd prefer festivals not to go in.  Mild paranoia.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: bbl337]
    #14051486 - 03/01/11 10:00 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

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bbl337 said:
so they actually made their shit easier to hack...




:ninja:

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru]
    #14051501 - 03/01/11 10:02 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

I'm no RFID conspiracy theorist, but I wouldn't go to Bonnaroo if I was paid.

Something about corporate profits and music festivals just don't jive with me.

I mean fuck, last year they had Kanye West as a headliner. I want no part of that bullshit.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru] * 4
    #14051562 - 03/01/11 10:09 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

It's pretty embarrassing how Luddite some people can be.

Information gathering, people tracking, it's bad stuff.  It's not bad because it leads to some inevitability but rather because it provides a weakness that can be exploited.

There is certainly nothing good that comes from this.  To hear people chastise others as paranoid about the potentials of a government that at this moment is responsible for the ongoing and truly heinous torturing of individuals, some of them citizens of Western nations like the U.K., Germany, and indeed Americans too is ignorance revealed.

There are most certainly folk out there who want to control the lives of others.  I think calling them "The Illuminati" or "The New World Order" does a serious disservice to the message, and to the actual reality of things.  The reality is that there are lots of moneyed, intelligent bullies out there who want to tax and control people and do so through government.  You don't need some grand conspiracy or conglomerate of evil folks like the Secret Society of Super Villains to tell that story.  It's much more visceral than that, it's local, state and federal government.  It's the police and the judicial system.

You think these people don't want to make more money by locking more people up unjustly and profiting from the economy that surrounds such incarceration?  That's fine I guess, but the last 100 years disagree with you.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Humility] * 1
    #14051611 - 03/01/11 10:16 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

You dont need RFID chips to lock people up.  People have been locking other people up like mad ever since locks were invented.  Tyrants are the problem, not technology.

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Humility]
    #14051665 - 03/01/11 10:25 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

To be clear, I don't advocate "banning" RFID or anything like that.  Rather I propose choosing to not participate in businesses that use it or events that make use of it.

Contributing to the relinquishing of your own freedom, in this case in the form of levels of anonymity, isn't a good move in my book.  Sure I agree that data collection is just a tool, and RFID a method of data collection/storage but to put yourself at the behest of those who might use such a tool is foolish imo.

It's like registering your weapons in Nazi Germany.  Understand?


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Adamist]
    #14051979 - 03/01/11 11:09 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

Looks like I wont be able to counterfeit or sneak in under the radar this time.
Drats.
Foiled again...

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: MisterMuscaria] * 3
    #14052028 - 03/01/11 11:19 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

What a shame. Sneaking into a music festival that has pretty much made a name for itself as something a music festival should never be.

It's like the Walmart of festivals. Fuck bonnaroo.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #14052206 - 03/01/11 11:49 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

yeah, ive really been on the fence about this shit for a minute, its just sketchy as fuck, not to mention the conflict that will probably arise when the wrong gang bangers bump into some hippies,
not to mention the abundance of fake shit going around,
state police roaming around the fest like they own it, which they probably do,
and now you gotta worry about getting tracked, even if its not plausible, its rumored, and i dont see that sitting well with anyone trying to have a good time.

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Tydel] * 2
    #14052328 - 03/02/11 12:21 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

I can't believe people here don't think the DEA could use this technology to keep a tab on people.  This is an organization that puts GPSes onto peoples cars and watches them for months, a group that regularly wiretaps people for months, and has gotten peoples EZpass records to monitor people.  What makes you think using this technology to monitor and track people is unreasonible?  Do people not move large quantities of drugs at these shows?  Is it that much harder to track people in large crows of several thousand people?  This isn't a tin foil hat, any large dealer that would go to this festival and possibly get tracked around with this is fucking retarded.  Fuck Bonnaroo, and fuck RFID tags on a concept that is supposed to be about freedom of expression, what a joke.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: fapjack]
    #14052598 - 03/02/11 02:00 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

Comprehension fail. Do you know what an rfid tag is? And what the hell do you think, you're some kind of scarface? Nobody will track you because nobody cares about you


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: 13.step]
    #14052607 - 03/02/11 02:06 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

What are they gonna bust people wearing RFID tags for? honestly unless there the large ones that are the size of a small pill there gonna need to be walking around with a laptop and a scanner to even bring up the information on you, not to mention there then going to have to find you amongst a see of people. It's not being used for anything like what you people are being paranoid about.

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Humility]
    #14052921 - 03/02/11 05:48 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

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Humility said:
To be clear, I don't advocate "banning" RFID or anything like that.  Rather I propose choosing to not participate in businesses that use it or events that make use of it.

Contributing to the relinquishing of your own freedom, in this case in the form of levels of anonymity, isn't a good move in my book.  Sure I agree that data collection is just a tool, and RFID a method of data collection/storage but to put yourself at the behest of those who might use such a tool is foolish imo.

It's like registering your weapons in Nazi Germany.  Understand?




well put. the thing that's interesting is to look at age demographics and responses that correlate with each group.

generally speaking, folks in the 18-25 demographic have a view of "private" that is not shared by their parents or grandparents. if this technology were to have existed in 1970 i wonder what the response would have been?

the things people are willing to reveal about themselves to complete strangers is utterly baffling to me. i tend to trust no one until they have proven themselves trustworthy.

not to say that i have an ill view of my fellow humans. I've just been roaming around the planet long enough to understand that there are definite forces which seek to exploit me, no matter how benign that exploitation may seem at the time.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: SS32]
    #14053185 - 03/02/11 07:55 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

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Yes, a dataset of nameless numbers with no link to the person those numbers represent





you buy a tracking device, use a credit card because you had to buy online,
they mail it to you, they had to have your name and address, you have to
activate it, again, probably online where you'll enter your name again and
probably other info like an email... yeah... completely nameless

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: SS32]
    #14053223 - 03/02/11 08:11 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

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The fact of the matter is, they CANNOT track you with RFID.  Learn about the capabilities/limits of the technology and see if you're still scared.  The chips are passive and in most cases, you have to be within a foot or two of a reader to power up the chip to get info from it.





hahahaha... all bullshitting asside, this is completely wrong, the fast pass
for toll roads uses RFID tech and there's at least 15 feet and a car body
between the chip and the scanner, the gen2 tags which have been in use for a
few years have an estimated read range of 12,000 feet depending on the reader
and antenna array

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14053232 - 03/02/11 08:14 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

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What are they gonna bust people wearing RFID tags for? honestly unless there the large ones that are the size of a small pill there gonna need to be walking around with a laptop and a scanner to even bring up the information on you, not to mention there then going to have to find you amongst a see of people. It's not being used for anything like what you people are being paranoid about.





hahahah RADIO FREQUENCY... which  also means they can relay signals





DEFCON 18 on extreme range RFID tracking 1/4

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