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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14053680 - 03/02/11 10:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheThinker said: You must be a very Good Citizen™.
You bet your ass I am. America FTW
Nationalists who wrap themselves in the flag and put on blinders to avoid seeing any truth have always been a constant source of amusement to me.
No, what you are blind to is the complete awesomeness and power of our fantastic country.
I am laughing, but not with you.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: TheThinker]
#14053719 - 03/02/11 10:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whats the matter? Can you not find anything to refute my statement?
Or are you one of them that sees a boogey-man in every closet?
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14053759 - 03/02/11 10:16 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whats the matter? Can you not find anything to refute my statement?
Or are you one of them that sees a boogey-man in every closet?
No, I leave seeing the boogey man to people who blindly follow what they are spoon fed by the media and the government.
I found nothing in your statement to be worthy of refuting.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies] 1
#14053763 - 03/02/11 10:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm all for the death penalty. But I'm not for all these long expensive years on death row.
As to torture, well it would be nice to live in a world were that wasn't an option used as much for pleasure as for real need.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14054575 - 03/02/11 01:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Friskies said: So torture? I am all for it, not to interrogate, but for those people that deserve it.
Could you go into more detail? Who might deserve this sort of treatment? Can you give a specific example?
Would you draw the line anywhere, or if someone is sufficiently horrible would it be an "anything goes" type of situation?
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Net]
#14054754 - 03/02/11 01:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Could you go into more detail? Who might deserve this sort of treatment? Can you give a specific example?
Would you draw the line anywhere, or if someone is sufficiently horrible would it be an "anything goes" type of situation?
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Friskies said: So torture? I am all for it, not to interrogate, but for those people that deserve it.
Could you go into more detail? Who might deserve this sort of treatment? Can you give a specific example?
Would you draw the line anywhere, or if someone is sufficiently horrible would it be an "anything goes" type of situation?
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Friskies said: So torture? I am all for it, not to interrogate, but for those people that deserve it.
Could you go into more detail? Who might deserve this sort of treatment? Can you give a specific example?
Would you draw the line anywhere, or if someone is sufficiently horrible would it be an "anything goes" type of situation?
Terrorists, child molesters. That kinda thing.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14055052 - 03/02/11 02:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Friskies said: Terrorists, child molesters. That kinda thing.
And what if evidence exonerating your torture subjects was later found? What then?
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14055093 - 03/02/11 02:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can you specify your criteria for "terrorist" as well as what would disqualify someone from being considered a terrorist?
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Net]
#14055139 - 03/02/11 02:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone that conspires to do anything harmful to our country.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14055175 - 03/02/11 03:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Friskies said: Anyone that conspires to do anything harmful to our country.
That includes Socialists (aka Democrats), right?
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That includes Socialists (aka Democrats), right? 
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Friskies said: Anyone that conspires to do anything harmful to our country.
That includes Socialists (aka Democrats), right? 
Well maybe not all Dems.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14055242 - 03/02/11 03:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exactly which methods of torture do you condone, Friskies?
Or is nothing too bad for those awful Democrats?
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Ygor]
#14055252 - 03/02/11 03:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Or is nothing too bad for those awful Democrats?
Water boarding has it's uses.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14055346 - 03/02/11 03:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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torture is evil. it's a moral line that should never be crossed.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Grav]
#14055563 - 03/02/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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perosnally..i dont think the death penalty is a deterrent beyond keeping the offender off the streets.. but it may be fair in some cases...torture..OTOH..could be a deterrent if (and thats a huge IF) there is a substantial burden of proof on the torturers..but thats *never* the case in practice ..torture is always done strictly for political purposes..if not as an end to itself...as such..i remain strictly opposed to the use of torture for any reason...
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14055609 - 03/02/11 04:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Friskies said: What are your views on torture and the Death Penalty?
1. Torture is evil. If you condone torture, you are evil. End of story.
2. Show me an error-free trial system, and I will happily support the death penalty for the worst crimes. Torture, incidentally, would be one of those. I believe the customary method is hanging the torturer.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: TGRR]
#14056280 - 03/02/11 06:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm going to post the unpopular opinion here. I fully support torture. In fact, I advocate we bring back torture as a form of punishment in criminal cases. Sure, it's against the Constitution, but hey, since when has that mattered?
I also wholeheartedly support liberal use of the torture penalty and the death penalty. Murder? Tortured to death. Rape? Tortured to death. Theft? Torture/maiming. Tax evasion? Tortured to death.
Hell, while we're at it, to lower the crime rates, I advocate mandatory abortions for the poor. Giving birth while poor should be a punishable offense. Your kid is going to grow up to be a criminal anyway, especially if he's smudgy-colored. Preemptive death penalty, with a little bit of torture thrown in for the mother. Yeah, this sounds like a reasonable system.
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phoxyilluminata said: I'm going to post the unpopular opinion here. I fully support torture. In fact, I advocate we bring back torture as a form of punishment in criminal cases. Sure, it's against the Constitution, but hey, since when has that mattered?
I also wholeheartedly support liberal use of the torture penalty and the death penalty. Murder? Tortured to death. Rape? Tortured to death. Theft? Torture/maiming. Tax evasion? Tortured to death.
Hell, while we're at it, to lower the crime rates, I advocate mandatory abortions for the poor. Giving birth while poor should be a punishable offense. Your kid is going to grow up to be a criminal anyway, especially if he's smudgy-colored. Preemptive death penalty, with a little bit of torture thrown in for the mother. Yeah, this sounds like a reasonable system.
Omg. I totally feel the same way. Poor people are ruining our economy, what with all the Food Stamps and Cash handouts. Not to mention Medicaid and such.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: DieCommie]
#14056439 - 03/02/11 07:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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It has been shown to not deter others from committing crimes.
So what? Thats not the point. If you are gonna kill, you are gonna kill. Nothing is going to deter you except for death. Thats what the death penalty is good for
Not necessarily true. I can personally think of a few occasions where I may have killed someone, had it not been for the ability to reason possible consequences, legal repercussions being among them.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: numonkei]
#14056932 - 03/02/11 08:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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So people who think torture is never justified:
You're Jack Bauer. There is a nuclear bomb set to detonate in downtown Los Angeles. No, wait -- bad example. No one would miss Los Angeles. OK, there's a nuclear bomb set to detonate in Washington DC. Gah! That's an even worse example. OK, imagine a hypothetical major US city that people would miss if it were gone, and there is a nuclear bomb set to detonate in it in one hour. You have captured the guy who set it and who knows the code to deactivate it, and the bomb squad guys are standing by ready to punch in the code. Wait, I got it! Houston! The bomb is set to go off in downtown Houston. Anyway, the bomb is set to go off in one hour and millions of people will die if you can't get this guy in your possession to tell you the code to turn off the bomb, but he ain't talking. What do you do?
-------------------- So like the wall started melting, and we were trying to scoop it up and put it back in place, and the songs on the radio sounded like they all had video game sound effects mixed in, but then when the lamp started talking, I ran outside and climbed a tree, and there were a bunch of trolls down there telling me to come down, and I said no because you're going to eat me, and the trolls told me that I was just tripping and that I should get down out of that tree before I fall and come back inside because it's cold, but I stayed up there and the trolls all left. Then when I thought it was safe I went back into the house, and I told my friends about how I almost got eaten by trolls. They just laughed because they were tripping.
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