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Friskies

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Torture and the Death Penalty.
#14053074 - 03/02/11 07:10 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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What are your views on torture and the Death Penalty?
Is is alright to torture someone? Maybe just a little? Ok just a smidgen then?
What about the Death Penalty? Do you think that anyone has the right to decide another person's death?
Personally, some torture then death, sounds about right.
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XxT1AlphaxX
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14053082 - 03/02/11 07:13 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Friskies said: What are your views on torture and the Death Penalty?
Is is alright to torture someone? Maybe just a little? Ok just a smidgen then?
What about the Death Penalty? Do you think that anyone has the right to decide another person's death?
Personally, some torture then death, sounds about right.
Torture No, Death Penalty not sure.. To the stone cold killers yeah they should get whats comming to them. although the death penalty has came along way since the recent "years" check it out..here
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Friskies

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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: XxT1AlphaxX]
#14053090 - 03/02/11 07:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nah I think we need to go back to the Stoning Days for some of these people.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14053166 - 03/02/11 07:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I were being tortured, I'd say anything the torturers wanted to hear..
If I were under the death penalty.... well then I'd be dead.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14053176 - 03/02/11 07:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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> What about the Death Penalty?
Personally, I am against the death penalty. In my opinion, keeping somebody locked up in a tiny room 23 out of 24 hours a day with, with no entertainment and no human contact, is much worse than death. If we are going to have the death penalty, I think executions should be televised. If it is supposed to be a deterrent, then let it be seen.
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Friskies

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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Seuss]
#14053195 - 03/02/11 07:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > What about the Death Penalty?
Personally, I am against the death penalty. In my opinion, keeping somebody locked up in a tiny room 23 out of 24 hours a day with, with no entertainment and no human contact, is much worse than death. If we are going to have the death penalty, I think executions should be televised. If it is supposed to be a deterrent, then let it be seen.
Not to mention the cost of this vs a 32 cent bullet.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14053387 - 03/02/11 09:00 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am against both. The majority of prisoners are locked up for non-violent crimes, with tens of thousands in Supermax cells. In addition to the heinous torture programs that the US government has carried out in Abu Ghraib, Bagram and Gitmo, we have our own solitary confinement torture programs for Americans in Supermax Units throughout the country.
“Solitary confinement has grown dramatically in the past two decades. Today, at least 25,000 prisoners are being held in long-term lockdown in the nation’s ‘supermax’ facilities; some 50,000 to 80,000 more are held in isolation in ‘administrative segregation’ or ‘special housing’ units at other facilities. In other words, on any given day, as many as 100,000 people are living in solitary confinement in America’s prisons.
Country Number executed in 2009 1 People's Republic of China Officially not released.[48][49] At least 1700 (estimated),[50] may be up to 6000.[51] 2 Iran At least 388 3 Iraq At least 120 4 Saudi Arabia At least 69 5 United States 52 6 Yemen At least 30 7 Sudan At least 9 8 Vietnam At least 9 9 Syria At least 8 10 Japan 7 11 Egypt At least 5 12 Libya At least 4 13 Bangladesh 3 14 Thailand 2 15 Singapore At least 1 16 Botswana 1 17 Malaysia Unreleased 18 North Korea Unreleased
The death penalty is not an effective deterrent and I would rather see 1,000 guilty people walk free than to see one innocent person put to death.
The US, by far, has more of its citizens in prison than any other nation on earth. China, with a billion citizens, doesn’t imprison as many people as the US, with only 309 million American citizens. The US per capita statistics are 700 per 100,000 citizens. In comparison, China has 110 per 100,000. In the Middle East, the repressive regime in Saudi Arabia imprisons 45 per 100,000. US per capita levels are equivalent to the darkest days of the Soviet Gulag.
Think about it.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: TheThinker]
#14053417 - 03/02/11 09:07 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheThinker said: I am against both. The majority of prisoners are locked up for non-violent crimes, with tens of thousands in Supermax cells. In addition to the heinous torture programs that the US government has carried out in Abu Ghraib, Bagram and Gitmo, we have our own solitary confinement torture programs for Americans in Supermax Units throughout the country.
“Solitary confinement has grown dramatically in the past two decades. Today, at least 25,000 prisoners are being held in long-term lockdown in the nation’s ‘supermax’ facilities; some 50,000 to 80,000 more are held in isolation in ‘administrative segregation’ or ‘special housing’ units at other facilities. In other words, on any given day, as many as 100,000 people are living in solitary confinement in America’s prisons.
Country Number executed in 2009 1 People's Republic of China Officially not released.[48][49] At least 1700 (estimated),[50] may be up to 6000.[51] 2 Iran At least 388 3 Iraq At least 120 4 Saudi Arabia At least 69 5 United States 52 6 Yemen At least 30 7 Sudan At least 9 8 Vietnam At least 9 9 Syria At least 8 10 Japan 7 11 Egypt At least 5 12 Libya At least 4 13 Bangladesh 3 14 Thailand 2 15 Singapore At least 1 16 Botswana 1 17 Malaysia Unreleased 18 North Korea Unreleased
The death penalty is not an effective deterrent and I would rather see 1,000 guilty people walk free than to see one innocent person put to death.
The US, by far, has more of its citizens in prison than any other nation on earth. China, with a billion citizens, doesn’t imprison as many people as the US, with only 309 million American citizens. The US per capita statistics are 700 per 100,000 citizens. In comparison, China has 110 per 100,000. In the Middle East, the repressive regime in Saudi Arabia imprisons 45 per 100,000. US per capita levels are equivalent to the darkest days of the Soviet Gulag.
Think about it.
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TheThinker said: I am against both. The majority of prisoners are locked up for non-violent crimes, with tens of thousands in Supermax cells. In addition to the heinous torture programs that the US government has carried out in Abu Ghraib, Bagram and Gitmo, we have our own solitary confinement torture programs for Americans in Supermax Units throughout the country.
“Solitary confinement has grown dramatically in the past two decades. Today, at least 25,000 prisoners are being held in long-term lockdown in the nation’s ‘supermax’ facilities; some 50,000 to 80,000 more are held in isolation in ‘administrative segregation’ or ‘special housing’ units at other facilities. In other words, on any given day, as many as 100,000 people are living in solitary confinement in America’s prisons.
Country Number executed in 2009 1 People's Republic of China Officially not released.[48][49] At least 1700 (estimated),[50] may be up to 6000.[51] 2 Iran At least 388 3 Iraq At least 120 4 Saudi Arabia At least 69 5 United States 52 6 Yemen At least 30 7 Sudan At least 9 8 Vietnam At least 9 9 Syria At least 8 10 Japan 7 11 Egypt At least 5 12 Libya At least 4 13 Bangladesh 3 14 Thailand 2 15 Singapore At least 1 16 Botswana 1 17 Malaysia Unreleased 18 North Korea Unreleased
The death penalty is not an effective deterrent and I would rather see 1,000 guilty people walk free than to see one innocent person put to death.
The US, by far, has more of its citizens in prison than any other nation on earth. China, with a billion citizens, doesn’t imprison as many people as the US, with only 309 million American citizens. The US per capita statistics are 700 per 100,000 citizens. In comparison, China has 110 per 100,000. In the Middle East, the repressive regime in Saudi Arabia imprisons 45 per 100,000. US per capita levels are equivalent to the darkest days of the Soviet Gulag.
Think about it.
Oh. I have, I have.
I still say a 32 cent bullet would fix much of this. The cost of keeping lifers and death-rowers compared to a quick (usually) painless bullet to the head is much better. Financially.
I am also for making them dig their own graves.
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TheThinker
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14053432 - 03/02/11 09:11 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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You must be a very Good Citizen™.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: TheThinker]
#14053460 - 03/02/11 09:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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The death penalty is not an effective deterrent
Not true, nobody who has been executed has ever committed another violent crime - ever. That is the point.
That said, Im ok with the death penalty philosophically, but practically I could be convinced to do away with it.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: DieCommie]
#14053468 - 03/02/11 09:19 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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The death penalty is not an effective deterrent
Not true, nobody who has been executed has ever committed another violent crime - ever. That is the point.
That said, Im ok with the death penalty philosophically, but practically I could be convinced to do away with it.
Nice try, but next time try to address the point head on without the dance. It has been shown to not deter others from committing crimes.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: TheThinker]
#14053477 - 03/02/11 09:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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It has been shown to not deter others from committing crimes.
So what? Thats not the point. If you are gonna kill, you are gonna kill. Nothing is going to deter you except for death. Thats what the death penalty is good for.
I think you are evading the simple fact that the death penalty is the only absolute deterrent.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: DieCommie]
#14053486 - 03/02/11 09:23 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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It has been shown to not deter others from committing crimes.
So what? Thats not the point. If you are gonna kill, you are gonna kill. Nothing is going to deter you except for death. Thats what the death penalty is good for.
State sponsored murder is not an act of a civilized country.
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DieCommie

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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: TheThinker]
#14053497 - 03/02/11 09:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Redefining words like murder and civilized to suit your position isnt gonna help you win any arguments.
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: DieCommie]
#14053518 - 03/02/11 09:29 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
Redefining Ignoring words like murder and civilized to suit your position isn't gonna help you win any arguments.
Fixed that for you.
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Friskies

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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: TheThinker]
#14053593 - 03/02/11 09:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheThinker said: You must be a very Good Citizen™.
You bet your ass I am. America FTW
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: TheThinker]
#14053602 - 03/02/11 09:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is torturing someone "a little" like being "slightly pregnant"? So, like, instead of someone "falling down the stairs" while being led to jail, they "accidentally stubbed their toe on the jail door" kind of thing? I require clarification.
Also, the death penalty is awesome. I mean, sure it would suck, if, say, you were charged for some bullshit reason, or found guilty not because of a preponderance of highly credible evidence but because of, like, racism, or that thing cops supposedly sometimes did in the past where they planted evidence, but since the justice system is now perfected I see absolutely no problem with the death penalty being used. Take that, litterbugs!
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Friskies]
#14053606 - 03/02/11 09:48 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Friskies said:
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TheThinker said: You must be a very Good Citizen™.
You bet your ass I am. America FTW
Nationalists who wrap themselves in the flag and put on blinders to avoid seeing any truth have always been a constant source of amusement to me.
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Friskies

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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: Subetai]
#14053616 - 03/02/11 09:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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So torture? I am all for it, not to interrogate, but for those people that deserve it.Quote:
Subetai said: Is torturing someone "a little" like being "slightly pregnant"? So, like, instead of someone "falling down the stairs" while being led to jail, they "accidentally stubbed their toe on the jail door" kind of thing? I require clarification.
Also, the death penalty is awesome. I mean, sure it would suck, if, say, you were charged for some bullshit reason, or found guilty not because of a preponderance of highly credible evidence but because of, like, racism, or that thing cops supposedly sometimes did in the past where they planted evidence, but since the justice system is now perfected I see absolutely no problem with the death penalty being used. Take that, litterbugs!
Pushed down the steps and so on. Can I get an AMEN
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Re: Torture and the Death Penalty. [Re: TheThinker]
#14053621 - 03/02/11 09:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheThinker said:
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Friskies said:
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TheThinker said: You must be a very Good Citizen™.
You bet your ass I am. America FTW
Nationalists who wrap themselves in the flag and put on blinders to avoid seeing any truth have always been a constant source of amusement to me.
No, what you are blind to is the complete awesomeness and power of our fantastic country.
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