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Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances?
#14052220 - 03/01/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.sinsemillainc.com/forum/content.php?416-Are-intelligent-minds-more-likely-to-use-mind-altering-substances&s=6a8b313d8d6962c2928ae0dbb5865c4f
Hope this wasnt posted before
Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa has this theory, which he calls the Savanna-IQ Interaction Hypothesis. Here's how it goes: intelligence evolved as a way to deal with "evolutionary novelties"--to help humans respond to things in their environment to which they were, as a species, unaccustomed. Thus, smart people are more likely to deal with new things and try them. Those new things seem to include drugs.
Why? Because, as Kanazawa explains, while "the use of opium dates back to about 5,000 years ago ... Other psychoactive drugs are 'chemical' (pharmacological); they require modern chemistry to manufacture." Psychoactive drugs, therefore, are evolutionarily pretty new to humans. Which means that smart people, according to the theory, will be more likely to take psychoactive drugs. That's true even if the drugs are bad for them: "[the Hypothesis] does not predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely to engage in healthy and beneficial behavior, only that they are more likely to engage in evolutionarily novel behavior."
Kanazawa even finds a study with support:
Consistent with the prediction of the Hypothesis, the analysis of the National Child Development Study shows that more intelligent children in the United Kingdom are more likely to grow up to consume psychoactive drugs than less intelligent children. ... "Very bright" individuals (with IQs above 125) are roughly three-tenths of a standard deviation more likely to consume psychoactive drugs than "very dull" individuals (with IQs below 75).
If that pattern holds across societies, then it runs directly counter to a lot of our preconceived notions about both intelligence and drug use:
People--scientists and civilians alike--often associate intelligence with positive life outcomes. The fact that more intelligent individuals are more likely to consume alcohol, tobacco, and psychoactive drugs tampers this universally positive view of intelligence and intelligent individuals. Intelligent people don't always do the right thing, only the evolutionarily novel thing.
Edited by Azure Essence (03/01/11 11:56 PM)
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14052256 - 03/02/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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this wasnt posted before, not this exact post but something similar and i think it is very true that more intelligent people are likely to use drugs.
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: littleton]
#14052331 - 03/02/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmmm, that's an interesting take.
I think most people would agree that a higher percentage of "intelligent" people use drugs than "non-intelligent" people (in the classical Western sense of intelligence). This is a cool hypothesis.
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: littleton]
#14052360 - 03/02/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Don't worry bro. All you need is some clear liquid to get you head straight"
Edited by demon66 (03/02/11 12:36 AM)
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: demon66] 1
#14052403 - 03/02/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think smart people sometimes are more likely to be unhappy with how much the world sucks and thus turn to drugs.
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14052517 - 03/02/11 01:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"the use of opium dates back to about 5,000 years ago ... Other psychoactive drugs are 'chemical' (pharmacological); they require modern chemistry to manufacture." Psychoactive drugs, therefore, are evolutionarily pretty new to humans.
Bullshit! Never heard of mescaline or ayahuasca?
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Backis]
#14052532 - 03/02/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think intelligent minds will see past the propaganda and stigma and will use drugs because they realize there is a safe way...and will use them in a safe and educated manor...weather this means they are more likely to use than less educated people idk
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#14052560 - 03/02/11 01:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah the first part about the psy's being all pharmies was pretty dumb, but the second half was interesting
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14052570 - 03/02/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can I call BS? Can I can I can I? The premise sucks and the data is plain stupid, 3 times more likely to consume drugs then people who can't formulate a sandwich? There might be a correlation between IQ and drug-use but correlation doesn't = causation. And just think of all the smart crack-heads...
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: 13.step]
#14052599 - 03/02/11 02:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would consider crack more of a physically altering drug, but it's semantics.
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14052604 - 03/02/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's irrelevant, even if we consider crack a physically altering drug, the article says IQ and drug-use correlate. Sorry, it just seems like some guy got up in the morning and began writing a small elitist article, doesn't make to much sense or have any coherence.
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14052661 - 03/02/11 02:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Larrythescaryrex said: I think smart people sometimes are more likely to be unhappy with how much the world sucks and thus turn to drugs.
This. This. This. This. This. This.
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: iamnotadream]
#14052764 - 03/02/11 03:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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iamnotadream said:
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Larrythescaryrex said: I think smart people sometimes are more likely to be unhappy with how much the world sucks and thus turn to drugs.
This. This. This. This. This. This.
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Darklight203]
#14052788 - 03/02/11 03:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's funny how many people are fighting this tho on a DRUG FORUM
It's like I posted an article about drug users being psychopathic cannibals or something....
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14052812 - 03/02/11 04:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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We are all geniuses then
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14052858 - 03/02/11 04:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey it's just me fighting it. But i'm a cynical bastard who is not to be taken seriously...people can't seem to see that for some reason. Oh and I don't like intellectual masturbation and elitism...as far as I've seen I'm the only smart guy that uses drugs so that's why I don't believe in this study...
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: 13.step] 1
#14052897 - 03/02/11 05:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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13.step said: I don't like intellectual masturbation and elitism
I'm the only smart guy
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14052914 - 03/02/11 05:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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3/10ths of a standard deviation seems pretty insignificant. Couldn't that just be explained by the fact that people who aren't totally stupid are more likely to be able to buy drugs?
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: robbyberto]
#14052920 - 03/02/11 05:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is the "dumb druggie" then a stereotype fabricated by the federal government perpetuated through the media? Or are all drug users really burnt out and stupid?
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#14052929 - 03/02/11 05:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think humans generally just like to alter their states of consciousness. Just like any other animal.
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14052937 - 03/02/11 06:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Larrythescaryrex said: I think smart people sometimes are more likely to be unhappy with how much the world sucks and thus turn to drugs.
I concur....
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14052951 - 03/02/11 06:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It bugs me when people think "hallucinations" are like seeing leprachauns and dragons that you can interact with and talk too. Like this narrator saying "The cats chase imaginary mice" First off if they trip balls like human i call bullshit, and secondly how the fuck does he know what cats perceive again calling bullshit.
Anyway sorry for my little annoyance rant.
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Back to the thread.
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14053312 - 03/02/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You posses impressive quoting skills young grasshopper, you're on the right path, if you could master irony and sarcasm you could well become the next great shroomery poaster...
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14053498 - 03/02/11 09:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That is my new favorite video! Thanks for sharing that, so funny!
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14053586 - 03/02/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The only way I might buy into this is if there were no barriers to consuming the drugs (acquiring them, social interaction, understanding how to consume them, etc).
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#14053653 - 03/02/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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...and will use them in a safe and educated manor...weather this means they are more likely to use than less educated people idk
I think a 'safe manor' would be an awesome place to trip. Out in the Irish countryside maybe. I agree that the 'weather' would play an important role as well.
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Re: Are intelligent minds more likely to use mind altering substances? [Re: 13.step]
#14055829 - 03/02/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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13.step said: Hey it's just me fighting it. But i'm a cynical bastard who is not to be taken seriously...people can't seem to see that for some reason. Oh and I don't like intellectual masturbation and elitism...as far as I've seen I'm the only smart guy that uses drugs so that's why I don't believe in this study...
How the hell do you know its elitism? You read a 4 paragraph long article about an obviously deeper and more complicated academic journal.
I am just sayin'....how you gonna judge an academic / scientific study off of what some d bag jot's down as notes worthy for their article? 
THE ACTUAL STUDY sounds like it could be both very cool / interesting, and a novel way of looking at the often stigmatized "use" of drugs :-p
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