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hamloaf
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All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/
#14051768 - 03/01/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey there, please excuse the 2 threads started within such a short time from each other. Having a few issues that seem to be coming to a head, at the same time, tonight.
Over the last 20-30 runs with the AA Sterilizers, the sterilizers haven't held a vacuum after cooling to room temps like they did when I first got them. Tried several things to resolve this issue. Any idea what's going on here, and/or, what can be done to alleviate this situation?
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: hamloaf]
#14051830 - 03/01/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does it have a rubber ring on the lid, on its under side?
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14051868 - 03/01/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No bro. All American Electric Sterilizers don't have any remove-able parts, rubber gaskets, or seal rings. All American Pressure Cookers and Electric Sterilizers have a metal to metal seal (cast aluminum, to be more specific), held in place by large move-able, attached lugnuts.
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: hamloaf]
#14051896 - 03/01/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I see, I just looked up that bad boy....Pretty expensive huh?
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: hamloaf]
#14051929 - 03/01/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Hamloaf,
You are having one messed up night. I am sorry bud.
I have an AA 925X too, but have not had any problems yet.
I find that I have to heat it back up if I am not there when it gets to pressure equilibrium, to avoid pulling in dirty air.
I am sure that you are using petroleum jelly on the seal, but confirm.
Good luck getting things back in order!
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: Javadog]
#14052048 - 03/01/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am sure that you are using petroleum jelly on the seal, but confirm.
Hey, JD. Confirmed, petroleum jelly is used between the cast aluminum seal each time the sterilizers are used for sterilization.
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: hamloaf]
#14053153 - 03/02/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If your rubber blowout plug is tight in the opening, the problem is the toggle valve. They get minerals on the seat after awhile, especially if you have hard water. With mine, whenever I snap the toggle shut after venting steam, I twirl the handle on it a few times around with my fingers, then open and snap it shut a few times. This will usually knock the scale off. If not, take it apart and clean the seat. RR
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: hamloaf]
#14053158 - 03/02/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Also did you close your release valve until it hit 5 psi then let it depressurize with the valve open. This ensures you bleed it. Otherwise if the air just pushes a slow trickle for 5-10 minutes you are gambling with a 50/50 % chance of having a vacuum occur. That's the best way I have found to get the vacuum right.
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#14053169 - 03/02/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Leave the toggle open until steam is fully venting and all the air is out. I wouldn't let it build pressure and then release. Just letting air bleed for ten minutes isn't going to cut it. ALL the air has to be out and nothing but steam must be escaping before closing the valve. This is true for all pressure cookers. Some use a weight, but the principle is the same. You don't want 15 psi of air, you want 15 psi of steam. RR
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14053235 - 03/02/11 08:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just let it hit 5 and release to save some time. Otherwise it takes a bit longer for the air to escape. I don't under any means let it build up that much pressure. Just a little to give it a push in the right direction. I've just found it to heat a little quicker with the value closed.
If you forget about it you are screwed though..... I've done that and had the valve burst open. I heard it screaming from the basement. Its on the 3rd floor!
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14053299 - 03/02/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You could also simply have overlubed the thing. YOu shouldn't have to re-lube it but every 3-5 uses. Are you getting any leaking while the unit is at pressure?
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: sandman420]
#14053368 - 03/02/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sandman420 said: You could also simply have overlubed the thing. YOu shouldn't have to re-lube it but every 3-5 uses. Are you getting any leaking while the unit is at pressure?
Ding-ding-ding-ding! Man, I do over the lube the son a bitch come to think about it. I put layer of petrolium jelly around the whole aluminum seal everytime I sterilize. Noticed in the video's RR only dabs of petroleum jelly are placed behind where the Frankenstein looking bolts that hold the lid on are located.
Thanks RR for the advise about the mineral build-up. Sure as shit, I go to inspect the areas of concern you mentioned and badda-bing badda-bomb, mineral build-up. Gonna take all the precautionary measures you mentioned preveiosly all the way down to taking it apart and cleaning the seat. Gonna try the whole letting it gain pressure then releasing while twirling the handle a few times, repeat, regimen you mention too. What do you recommend the seat of toggle valve be cleaned with?
Thanks professor, bleeding steam for 10 minutes once the steam is shooting from the toggle valve up to 1 foot out is exactly how I do my sterilizers.
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: sandman420]
#14053392 - 03/02/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sandman420 said: You could also simply have overlubed the thing. YOu shouldn't have to re-lube it but every 3-5 uses. Are you getting any leaking while the unit is at pressure?
True, but with qualifications.
I clean the metal to metal seal before each use and re-lube. The reason is that dust and dirt sticks to the vaseline between uses, and if not cleaned off, will scratch the mating surfaces.
If one lives in a very clean environment with no dust or dirt, every three or four uses is fine because the lube doesn't wear out. However, if dirt is stuck to the greasy surfaces and you tighten down the lid, you fubar your expensive equipment. RR
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14053409 - 03/02/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I learned that one the hard way for sure. That one goes, boom! hsssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
I always clean that sucker with soap and water. Every day before reloading it. Like you said the cooked petroleum really can do some damage. I just leave a time bomb waiting to go off.
Then you have to let it cool off and start over. That is no good
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#14053431 - 03/02/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I do clean the cast aluminum with rubbing alcohol and a paper towel before use, not every use though. I will now clean between each use. My cook house isn't the cleanest but I know what to do to make up for the lack of cleanliness in my sterile procedure enough to have quite a high success ratio.
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: hamloaf]
#14062623 - 03/03/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I use dawn. dish soap. I'm lazy,
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#14144401 - 03/18/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey guys, thanks for the replies.
Neither of these things are still not holding their vacuum.
They both seem to be making a burbling sound and they'r both puking black goo from the toggle during peak pressure.
One of the toggle switches finally broke.
I was wondering if any of you knew a good spot to get replacement parts for All Americans?
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: hamloaf]
#14144444 - 03/18/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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All American stuff should be guaranteed for life. Give them a call and see what's up.
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.com/Contact.asp
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: afrosheen]
#14144479 - 03/18/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey afrosheen, thanks for the tip.
Just gave them a call and apparently have missed them until Monday.
Got my sterilizers off ebay.
Do you think that would cancel any sort of lifetime warranty?
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Re: All American Electric Pressure Sterilizers Seemingly Won't Hold Their Vacuums Anymore/ [Re: hamloaf]
#14144740 - 03/18/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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