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Adam & Eve (Different view point)
#14051387 - 03/01/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe God kicked Adam and Eve out of his garden because they lied to him. Can you talk to snakes? I've never heard a snake talk..
Plus I've never heard of people talking to animals anywhere else in the bible except for then.(prove me if I'm wrong)
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: giza]
#14051491 - 03/01/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Or maybe none of it ever happened. Maybe that sounds more reasonable.
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: Icelander]
#14052125 - 03/01/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe the Fall from Eden represents humankind's first realization of their own mortality and subsequent despair?
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: deCypher]
#14052303 - 03/02/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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They kicked themselves out, no one forced them to leave.
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#14052475 - 03/02/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Maybe the Fall from Eden represents humankind's first realization of their own mortality and subsequent despair?
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: Icelander]
#14052815 - 03/02/11 04:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Or maybe none of it ever happened. Maybe that sounds more reasonable.
Yep. IMO it sounds like a story someone made up because they were bored.
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No, I think they got kicked out because if they stole from one tree, God was afraid they'd steal from the other tree.
Genesis does record two; the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life. Can't have the humans running around with eternal life now, can we?
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: deCypher]
#14053042 - 03/02/11 06:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Maybe the Fall from Eden represents humankind's first realization of their own mortality and subsequent despair?
I imagine it's something along those lines.
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: Ygor]
#14053054 - 03/02/11 06:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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God sounds like something somebody made up so they could have closure to all their answers.
I don't understand something, therefore it is the work of god.
However this planet is full of suffering and much evil, how would a loving god allow this to happen? The answer is that god works in mysterious ways.
A little re-cap.
All answers to questions we don't know is that "It's the work of god." All answers to questions regarding terrible suffering and bad things happening to good people ect ect is that "God works in mysterious ways." Finally. "Everything we don't understand that is beautiful is the work of god, and everything we don't understand that is terrible or horrendous is also the work of god, however it is acceptable because god works in mysterious ways."
Right here we have no cured all questions by simply making something up out of thin air... does it make any logical sense what so ever? No absolutely not. Does it make me feel better about myself and my environment? Sure, and at the expense of ignorance i'd rather feel comfortable than admit to the anxieties of not knowing the answers.
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: giza]
#14053108 - 03/02/11 07:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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giza said: Plus I've never heard of people talking to animals anywhere else in the bible except for then.(prove me if I'm wrong)
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Numbers 22:23-30 (New International Version, ©2011)
23 When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand, it turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat it to get it back on the road.
24 Then the angel of the LORD stood in a narrow path through the vineyards, with walls on both sides. 25 When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, it pressed close to the wall, crushing Balaam’s foot against it. So he beat the donkey again.
26 Then the angel of the LORD moved on ahead and stood in a narrow place where there was no room to turn, either to the right or to the left. 27 When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, it lay down under Balaam, and he was angry and beat it with his staff. 28 Then the LORD opened the donkey’s mouth, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?”
29 Balaam answered the donkey, “You have made a fool of me! If only I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now.”
30 The donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?”
“No,” he said.
31 Then the LORD opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the road with his sword drawn. So he bowed low and fell facedown.
32 The angel of the LORD asked him, “Why have you beaten your donkey these three times? I have come here to oppose you because your path is a reckless one before me.[a] 33 The donkey saw me and turned away from me these three times. If it had not turned away, I would certainly have killed you by now, but I would have spared it.”
34 Balaam said to the angel of the LORD, “I have sinned. I did not realize you were standing in the road to oppose me. Now if you are displeased, I will go back.”
35 The angel of the LORD said to Balaam, “Go with the men, but speak only what I tell you.” So Balaam went with Balak’s officials.
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: Icelander]
#14053133 - 03/02/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Or maybe none of it ever happened. Maybe that sounds more reasonable.
Maybe we make up stories about our past (and present and future) to stop ourselves from being lonely and/or to just mess with our collective heads.
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: huxmush]
#14053285 - 03/02/11 08:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe God was made up for the ULTIMATE LULZ
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: Cups]
#14054830 - 03/02/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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giza said: Plus I've never heard of people talking to animals anywhere else in the bible except for then.(prove me if I'm wrong)
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Numbers 22:23-30 (New International Version, ©2011)
23 When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand, it turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat it to get it back on the road.
24 Then the angel of the LORD stood in a narrow path through the vineyards, with walls on both sides. 25 When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, it pressed close to the wall, crushing Balaam’s foot against it. So he beat the donkey again.
26 Then the angel of the LORD moved on ahead and stood in a narrow place where there was no room to turn, either to the right or to the left. 27 When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, it lay down under Balaam, and he was angry and beat it with his staff. 28 Then the LORD opened the donkey’s mouth, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?”
29 Balaam answered the donkey, “You have made a fool of me! If only I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now.”
30 The donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?”
“No,” he said.
31 Then the LORD opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the road with his sword drawn. So he bowed low and fell facedown.
32 The angel of the LORD asked him, “Why have you beaten your donkey these three times? I have come here to oppose you because your path is a reckless one before me.[a] 33 The donkey saw me and turned away from me these three times. If it had not turned away, I would certainly have killed you by now, but I would have spared it.”
34 Balaam said to the angel of the LORD, “I have sinned. I did not realize you were standing in the road to oppose me. Now if you are displeased, I will go back.”
35 The angel of the LORD said to Balaam, “Go with the men, but speak only what I tell you.” So Balaam went with Balak’s officials.
Thanks, I wonder why we lost communication with animals..
Few more questions regarding the bible
If we do not get judged until after death wouldn't our lives be free from suffering or "bad things" until judgement? - Another thing I don't understand is that God is there when you die to judge you.. To me that is like the owner of a billion dollar company working as the receptionist.
The karma system makes more sense to me because it is already integrated into your life.. - Unless we are only governed by our own mind and believing something is 'wrong' and actually doing that 'wrong' act, any 'bad' situation or feeling we go through after is understood because of the wrong we thought we committed. (Which would actually help you because you don't dwell on why you 'suffered' for very long) - I also am guessing that you pay for your 'sins' or bad karma through dreams also.. such as nightmares
Why do people praise Jesus/Mary? Doesn't that go against the commandment saying you are not to praise anyone but God?
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: giza]
#14054886 - 03/02/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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giza said: Thanks, I wonder why we lost communication with animals..
Communicating with animals has little to do with making money, spending money, going to work and "spreading democracy."
It's pretty simple that only notions of supporting the above will be perused in a western capitalist state. I haven't lost communications with aniamals. My dog tells me via body language when she wants up on the couch, is lonely, wants to go to the bathroom, wants to go for a walk, wants to eat ect ect. Life is what you make it.
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giza said: Thanks, I wonder why we lost communication with animals..
Communicating with animals has little to do with making money, spending money, going to work and "spreading democracy."
It's pretty simple that only notions of supporting the above will be perused in a western capitalist state. I haven't lost communications with aniamals. My dog tells me via body language when she wants up on the couch, is lonely, wants to go to the bathroom, wants to go for a walk, wants to eat ect ect. Life is what you make it.
Yes, I understand this. But animals seem to have a connection with nature that we do not.
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Communicating with animals has little to do with making money
But if you could communicate with animals/insects they could tell you where 'hidden' treasure is. If you could talk to fish, you could find shipwrecks.. If you could talk to birds/insects they could point you out to plants we have not found yet. Point you out to tombs that may be in the jungle.. Etc..
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: giza]
#14055312 - 03/02/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If I could talk with other animals I certainly wouldn't waste my time talking to people.
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: Icelander]
#14055483 - 03/02/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Would be interesting to live in the jungle and be apart of their society, wonder what they talk about.. If they're anything like our society their conversations would be quite entertaining.
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: giza]
#14055736 - 03/02/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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giza said:
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giza said: Thanks, I wonder why we lost communication with animals..
Communicating with animals has little to do with making money, spending money, going to work and "spreading democracy."
It's pretty simple that only notions of supporting the above will be perused in a western capitalist state. I haven't lost communications with aniamals. My dog tells me via body language when she wants up on the couch, is lonely, wants to go to the bathroom, wants to go for a walk, wants to eat ect ect. Life is what you make it.
Yes, I understand this. But animals seem to have a connection with nature that we do not.
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Communicating with animals has little to do with making money
But if you could communicate with animals/insects they could tell you where 'hidden' treasure is. If you could talk to fish, you could find shipwrecks.. If you could talk to birds/insects they could point you out to plants we have not found yet. Point you out to tombs that may be in the jungle.. Etc..
Are you sure about that? Animals live in a completely different world, if you were able to talk to a fish you would have no way of understanding each other.
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: Icelander]
#14055748 - 03/02/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Or maybe none of it ever happened. Maybe that sounds more reasonable.
I can see how this book could be taken as no more valid than a schizophrenic saying he talks to God.
But only way to coerce the believer is to point and prove the flaws. They will not listen to the "It has be re-written by different people so it is wrong" theory. Because of faith. They believe the power of God is so strong he could tell a scribe to write down his words and because of his power his words will last and not be manipulated.
And if these people are actually wrong.. they indeed do need a savior. So I rather pity them than hate them.
On a positive note for any religous believer is the fact that they give thanks to the creator even if the creator does not exist, they are grateul for the things they did not 'create'.
On a negative note, to understand the religon is to understand the followers, which in turn means you can take 'advantage' of a believer.
If I leave a baby on the step of a christians house, would they not see that the baby gets taken care of instead of cast out, because of the morals their religon abides by?
All my opinion of course.
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Re: Adam & Eve (Different view point) [Re: learningtofly]
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giza said: Thanks, I wonder why we lost communication with animals..
Communicating with animals has little to do with making money, spending money, going to work and "spreading democracy."
It's pretty simple that only notions of supporting the above will be perused in a western capitalist state. I haven't lost communications with aniamals. My dog tells me via body language when she wants up on the couch, is lonely, wants to go to the bathroom, wants to go for a walk, wants to eat ect ect. Life is what you make it.
Yes, I understand this. But animals seem to have a connection with nature that we do not.
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Communicating with animals has little to do with making money
But if you could communicate with animals/insects they could tell you where 'hidden' treasure is. If you could talk to fish, you could find shipwrecks.. If you could talk to birds/insects they could point you out to plants we have not found yet. Point you out to tombs that may be in the jungle.. Etc..
Are you sure about that? Animals live in a completely different world, if you were able to talk to a fish you would have no way of understanding each other.
I should have said communicate instead of talk.
I'm not sure on what the stipulations are on how they would communicate but, since a shipwreck would not be part of their normal environment they would know the difference, IMO. But with the plants you got me there.
That is flawed with the intelligence I believe they have.
Also, I think that they would be able to communicate as a voice in our head, like a schizophrenic interprets voices.
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