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Vibration
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My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage (VIDEO ADDED)
#14050832 - 03/01/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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At first I had 8 little holes in the tub (1cm diameter), then I figured it's not gonna be enough FAE and I made 4 big holes (6cm diameter). Six of the 8 little holes have remained - so 4 big holes and 6 little holes. I believe the little holes are not going to make any difference, or are they?
Lights are 23W and 6500k. I have two of them.
Not very good: 1) Humidity is around 80%, but this shitty digital thing probably aint' accurate though, cos when I made the substrate, it certainly did not get too dry. I will make a real hygrometer myself, as someone has suggested me few weeks ago.
2) The substrate has a little crack in the middle. Hardly noticeable, but it probably happened, because I've held the tub on uneven surface at some time (like a chair for example).
Question: 1)Are the FAE holes ok?
2) If it were your tub, what would you change about it?
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Edited by Vibration (03/06/11 05:24 PM)
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: Vibration]
#14051091 - 03/01/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i use 6 1" holes on each long side and 4 1" holes on the shorter sides
and i still fan a bunch, plus have a fan running in the room and humidifiers
it looks like you may need additional holes to me
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: ar1es]
#14051156 - 03/01/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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..so basically you're having 10 x 1" holes
.. and I'm having 4 x 2,4" holes (plus the little ones)
Isn't that the same amount of FAE?
10 x 1 = 10 and 4 x 2,4 = 9,6
Help me with the math if you could...
Edited by Vibration (03/01/11 09:09 PM)
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: Vibration]
#14052222 - 03/01/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You need more holes. The cakes gotta have more fresh air. I recently put more holes in mine and I now have some mushies going on.
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: SmokedShroom]
#14053075 - 03/02/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Where should I make these holes then? And how many more?
I have to choose between 2,4″ and 3,2″.
Maybe I could just make the present 2,4″ holes bigger > 3,2″ ?
So I would be having 4 x 3,2″ holes instead of 4 x 2,4″ holes.
There is so much different opinions and misinformation about this subject. Please help me to get the right amount of FAE.
Btw... Im doing bulk grow, not cakes.
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: Vibration]
#14053205 - 03/02/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Vibration said: Where should I make these holes then? And how many more?
I have to choose between 2,4″ and 3,2″.
Maybe I could just make the present 2,4″ holes bigger > 3,2″ ?
So I would be having 4 x 3,2″ holes instead of 4 x 2,4″ holes.
There is so much different opinions and misinformation about this subject. Please help me to get the right amount of FAE.
Btw... Im doing bulk grow, not cakes.
It really doesn't matter where you put the holes. Do what works for you. If it were my monotub (depending on tub size). I would of put two 1.25" (inch and a quarter) on the long sides (AT substrate level) and one 1.25" on the short sides (At higher level) Poly fill packing is how you can control humidity/FAE. you want your poly fill in there as LOOSE as you can while still holding good humidity levels. packing tighter gets you less FAE and higher humidity..packing lighter gives you more FAE and can decrease humidity levels slightly. You want somewhere in between! The hole dimensions/sizes I explained above are what I usually do for a 10 gallon tote.
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You want bigger holes if you have no sort of fan or air moving in your room. In your case that looks to be smaller then a 10gallon tub.. You say you made four 6cm diameter holes? roughly 2.4" inches. I would tape up all them little holes. and monitor your humidity levels with just the four big holes plugged "semi firmly" If you can hold 90rh-100% then try "loosening" the polyfill on a couple holes..and again monitor. do this until you can get it to where i stated above loose enough to get some FAE/stiff enough to hold good humidity levels.
Next time don't drill little holes lol, and such BIG holes for a little tote. next time go 1.5"-2" for a tote that's about 10 gallon (which in your picture it looks to be about 10 gallon)
Edited by XxT1AlphaxX (03/02/11 08:22 AM)
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: XxT1AlphaxX]
#14054456 - 03/02/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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as many as it takes
some people go overkill with their holes like in Doc Ts MSG tubs and get results
I personally think that many holes is overkill and it would be a pain in the ass to keep the humidity right but some swear by it
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: ar1es]
#14055350 - 03/02/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you for your replies.
These are the diameters of the tub: 58,5 x 38,5 x 40,5cm
I guess it means the tub is 91 liters. In other words - 20 gallons.
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XxT1AlphaxX said: Poly fill packing is how you can control humidity/FAE. you want your poly fill in there as LOOSE as you can while still holding good humidity levels. packing tighter gets you less FAE and higher humidity..packing lighter gives you more FAE and can decrease humidity levels slightly.
Good point. I've thought about this myself too. We shouldn't be worried about making too big holes then. Always can put more polyfill in it.
I will put a little PC fan into the box. I think it would move the air just enough to get it circulating.
Whatcha think?
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: ar1es]
#14055876 - 03/02/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ar1es said: as many as it takes
some people go overkill with their holes like in Doc Ts MSG tubs and get results
I personally think that many holes is overkill and it would be a pain in the ass to keep the humidity right but some swear by it
Doc_T's MSG are "shotgun gun" style tubs. thus having that many holes.. 1/4" holes ever 2 inches. different then a original Monotub
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: Vibration]
#14055933 - 03/02/11 05:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Vibration said: Thank you for your replies.
These are the diameters of the tub: 58,5 x 38,5 x 40,5cm
I guess it means the tub is 91 liters. In other words - 20 gallons.
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XxT1AlphaxX said: Poly fill packing is how you can control humidity/FAE. you want your poly fill in there as LOOSE as you can while still holding good humidity levels. packing tighter gets you less FAE and higher humidity..packing lighter gives you more FAE and can decrease humidity levels slightly.
Good point. I've thought about this myself too. We shouldn't be worried about making too big holes then. Always can put more polyfill in it.
I will put a little PC fan into the box. I think it would move the air just enough to get it circulating.
Whatcha think?
I go 1.5" on 18 gallon tubs.. and 1"-1.25" on 10 gallons.. 2.5" seems a little much. substrate might dry out. but if you give it a mist here and there you'll be fine. if you have to tape one big hole closed. but see how it performs first though. goodluck post results!
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: XxT1AlphaxX]
#14061068 - 03/03/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have two different kind of digital termo-hygrometers in the box, and one is showing 87% (I believe it won't go further) and the other is showing 97-99%.
I guess the humidity is fine? I know I can not trust digital hygrometers, but it really seems&feels like sauna in there. Temperature is 23-25C, these lamps have raised the temp inside just enough.
When should I expect to see some action in the box??
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: Vibration]
#14061119 - 03/03/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is that cotton or polyfil in your holes? I can't tell. If it's cotton, you need to swap it out for polyfil.
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: yutaka]
#14061243 - 03/03/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Damn it. Yes, it's cotton. I thought cotton = polyfill.
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: Vibration]
#14061318 - 03/03/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so.. I guess I will have to buy a stuffed animal and cut it's head off?
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: Vibration]
#14061380 - 03/03/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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walmart sells polyfil for like 3 bucks for a big ol bag of it...
or if you must cut open a pillow, its usually stuffed with polyfil.
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: biologys]
#14061454 - 03/03/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, thanks. But I must say that stop recommending Walmart for everyone as there are lots of people who don't live in America. I'm one of them 
I wouldn't lie if I tell you that I've been said to go to Walmart for like 15 times for now I'd better stay in my homeland.
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: biologys]
#14061485 - 03/03/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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biologys said: walmart sells polyfil for like 3 bucks for a big ol bag of it...
or if you must cut open a pillow, its usually stuffed with polyfil.
 and good call btw Bio I overlooked that. You can expect to see some action in a week or so. two max. Remember loosen polyfill for more FAE but enough to keep the humidity intact. Don't be afraid to fan the monotub whenever you can. leaving it and sitting and forgetting is outdated information.. and if the substrate looks dry give it a good "fine" mist and fan some more.
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: XxT1AlphaxX]
#14061607 - 03/03/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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wll if you dont livein america then go somerwhere like it, any hobby/craft stores...sorry but i will not stop recommending a simple fix to a problem...if you do not have one in your area say so and i'll recommend another.
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: biologys]
#14061646 - 03/03/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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okayyy.
But tell me, please, can I put a computer fan inside the box? Would it help? I honestly think it would. The air will be in a constant movement.
I'm a little afraid to open the lid, because 2 of 3 tubs got contaminated with green mold. This is the one which have survived. And BY THE WAY, this is the tub where I didn't put a layer of coir to prevent exposing grains. Other 2 tubs which got covered with a "protectable" layer of coir got contaminated.. so I think this top layer of coir is bullshit. I thought so before, but now I know.
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Vibration said: Why the heck did I place a thin layer of coco coir on top of the substrate then? 
I find this matter the most confusing of all besides the other little confusions I've had in my journey of mushroom cultivation 
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biologys said: the thin layer is to make sure you dont have any grains exposed, because they can easily become contaminated if they are exposed..
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Vibration said: How is that? In my opinion, adding a layer onto the substrate will give more chance for the contaminants as I will have to keep the lid open for an extra minute (when I'm adding it). Otherwise I could quickly close the lid and there would be less chance for the contaminants to enter.
I would understand it if I'd have to open the lid many times while the mycelium is still colonizing, but all the holes are covered with a tape and the tub is covered with a recycling bag. Contaminants are not going to fall from anywhere, or are they?
What exactly is wrong in my thinking please? 
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biologys said: spores are everywhere..just taking your substrate out o the bag/jar that you pasteurized in, to place in your tub's is exposing it to the elements.. but you're giving mycelium the head start because its already colonizing and going at your substrate..when you break up your mycelium to spawn its in a 'vulnerable' state for alittle while before it recovers, which if uncovered gives contams a chance to take it over..
im a stoner so im not very good at explainations lol
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Vibration said: haha yes, it was not the explanation I was waiting for, to be honest. But what's more important is that you're trying to help me. Right now I'm at the point where I could only take and take from this forum, but I'm astonished how many are actually only giving and giving here (talking about information)
I still don't understand that if the grains are being exposed to the contaminants while taking them out of the jars, then how would placing the thin layer of coco coir on top of the substrate help?
Example: I open the wbs jars and pour them into the monotub and mix them with a coco coir. In a meanwhile the grains I've just poured out of the jars have been exposed to the possible contaminants, and unfortunately some bad contaminants have landed on the grains at that time. So now I'm going to place a thin layer of coco coir on top of the colonized wbs & coco coir mix, but the grains are already infected with contaminants. How would a layer on top of the substrate help in that way?
If you don't know how to explain it, then maybe someone else can try. I'd appreciate it.
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Prevents additional contaminates from falling onto the grains, and coco coir is contaminant resistant if I'm not mistaken.
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Vibration said: Okay, thanks. If this is the only reason, then I would not mess with the top layer again, until I will get contamination some day. Instead, I will close the lid more quickly and prevent contaminants to enter by giving them less time to fall into the box.

Thanks, again.

I had a point, didn't I?
Edited by Vibration (03/03/11 05:47 PM)
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Re: My monotub - beginning of the fruiting stage [Re: biologys]
#14061653 - 03/03/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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biologys said: wll if you dont livein america then go somerwhere like it, any hobby/craft stores...sorry but i will not stop recommending a simple fix to a problem...if you do not have one in your area say so and i'll recommend another.
Yes, no problem. It was just funny to me.
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