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OfflineChelleLaBelle
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: johnm214]
    #14056928 - 03/02/11 08:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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What are you talking about?  Alternative fuels of the type people seem interested in (i.e. substantially more carbon per energy efficient than oil, coal, and within an order of magnitude as expensive ) have a huge amount of funding and public interest and are regularly covered in mass media, academic research, and government projects/grants.

As far as I can tell, the problem is they simply don't work as an alternative for anything other than niche applications.  It seems like people just have blind faith that some "alternative fuel" is available to solve our problems if we just.... pass huge appropriations that get earmarked for for the same old ethanol scam?

I don't know bout that last one, I don't think anyone else does either: and that's the result of a demand for action on something unfeasable.




There are many alternative fuel options.  They've proven that.  There are bio fuels, hydrogen, not to mention electricity.  The problem is they are not affordable to the general public.  They've proven they can work they need to refine them, expand the refueling options.  Make them affordable.

Or we can continue to pay billions to and for our troops over there instead of allocating those funds elsewhere.


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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14057017 - 03/02/11 08:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
What are you talking about?  Alternative fuels of the type people seem interested in (i.e. substantially more carbon per energy efficient than oil, coal, and within an order of magnitude as expensive ) have a huge amount of funding and public interest and are regularly covered in mass media, academic research, and government projects/grants.

As far as I can tell, the problem is they simply don't work as an alternative for anything other than niche applications.  It seems like people just have blind faith that some "alternative fuel" is available to solve our problems if we just.... pass huge appropriations that get earmarked for for the same old ethanol scam?

I don't know bout that last one, I don't think anyone else does either: and that's the result of a demand for action on something unfeasable.




There are many alternative fuel options.  They've proven that.  There are bio fuels, hydrogen, not to mention electricity.




Well, electricity and hydrogen seem like more of a way to store or transfer energy, rather than to create it, net.  You can't go dig either out of the ground, so they have to be made.  How?  With energy.  How do we get the energy?  That's the problem in the first place.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but these don't seem like alternatives because they aren't even proposed to be used as net sources of energy- simply carriers or intermediaries.

As for "biofuels" that's a bit vague and seems pretty problematic on the pollution and carbon side of things that make them unsuitable as alternatives (seems the environmental/warming issue is as vital to the proponants, if not more so, than being renewable).  Is this not the case?  I mean, we could go back to steam engines, but that fails miserably on the carbon/pollution front, and even then likely would remain too expensive and vastly insufficient.

So, what alternative lies in biofuels?  I don't see it (though that doesn't stop money from being thrown away into ethanol).

 
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The problem is they are not affordable to the general public.  They've proven they can work they need to refine them, expand the refueling options.  Make them affordable.





You say they aren't affordable to the general public, do you imply they are affordable to someone outside of niche applications?  A metal stamping machine isn't consumer affordable, but it works.  I'm not sure that's the case with these alleged altenratives.

What besides nuclear and traditional "biofuels" (wood, garbage, stuff that produces lots of pollution and carbon)  has been proven able to work?  I'm not aware of anything even close to feasible as an alternative.

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Or we can continue to pay billions to and for our troops over there instead of allocating those funds elsewhere.




over where?  Seems a bit of a non sequitar to discuss this in relation to what troops do.  Maybe we could make them ride generator bikes?  Polish our solar-panel fields?

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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: johnm214]
    #14057852 - 03/03/11 12:10 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Do the people have a right to nuclear energy as opposed to oil or gas? Of course






Please explain.  How do you determine they have this right?

Further, even if we presume they do, what does it matter?  Nobody is taking issue with "people" making nuclear energy, they're taking issue with Iran developing nuclear technology- for obvious reasons.


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Do I ever think they would use nuclear weapons? No, and they especially wouldn't be giving it to Hezbollah or some satellite, it would mean the end of Iran and the middle east, they know that.





Fine, let's presume you are correct (though it would be nice for some reasoning rather than bare claim):  What does it matter?  There is a large problem with having nuclear weapons floating around regardless of if they give them to somebody or use them (why wouldn't they use them on Israel?  They suddenly change their foreign policy to more restrained after they have the a credible nuclear deterant? ).  They can be stolen, abandoned, and so forth, with the exact same problems.  Having crazy religious crusader states armed with nuclear weapons is not a very secure situation.




Does the development of nuclear energy in Iran impede any of your freedoms? No, it only serves to benefit the people of that nation. Iran does not and will not produce nuclear weaponry on a scale that is of any threat to any nation. They do not have the uranium, they do not have the range of anything close to an ICBM, and they do not have any of the logistics to coordinate a serious nuclear attack. Pakistan, India, North Korea, and Russia are for more dangerous in terms of weapons falling into the wrong hands. They have a consistent record of people ready to sell old nuclear arms and materiel to plenty of shady characters. Take this article from FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN THE RAH RAH STARTED http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/04/world/fg-iran4

You don't seem to understand the trouble of going to war and restraining Iran from nuclear arms. Is it really viable to stick our hand in that little pile of sand and say "NO, NO NUCLEAR POWER NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS FOR YOU, NO NO NO!" when the fact is that none of these weapons could be developed or delivered in any effective terrorist manner. You seem to think Iran is trying to arm Hezbollah with suitcase nukes to ship off to the United States. Disregard the fact that transporting nuclear materiel anywhere in the world (especially the west) is highly dangerous and very obvious, and think to yourself what effect would this have? What would the fallout be? You seem to think that a country and the people running it are just ready to slit their throat. Iran would not use nuclear weapons for the same reason that the United States would not use nuclear weapons.


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: TGRR] * 1
    #14058918 - 03/03/11 09:25 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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They are lying about their motivation.





So what?  They're not required to give any answer at all.



Requirements are funny things.  No other nation is required to deal with them either.


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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14061196 - 03/03/11 04:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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They are lying about their motivation.





So what?  They're not required to give any answer at all.



Requirements are funny things.  No other nation is required to deal with them either.




Doesn't seem to be bothering them.  After all, they still have China & Russia.


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OfflineScreaming Eagle
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14064390 - 03/04/11 01:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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TGRR said:

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zappaisgod said:
They are lying about their motivation.





So what?  They're not required to give any answer at all.



Requirements are funny things.  No other nation is required to deal with them either.





I agree.  Besides, why would we WANT them to use their own GAS RESERVES?  I say we wait until they make something that could be confused as a WMD.  Then we invade them and TAKE THE GAS FOR OURSELVES.

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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14064417 - 03/04/11 02:00 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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TGRR said:

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zappaisgod said:
They are lying about their motivation.





So what?  They're not required to give any answer at all.



Requirements are funny things.  No other nation is required to deal with them either.




Yeah, this seems similar to the point I observed.

It does seem that those who criticize any diplomatic position concerning another country's affairs seem to neglect to explain how the same respect for a country's right to do as they please doesn't justify the intervening country's sanctions and diplomatic efforts.  It seems like a one-sided analysis as usually applied here.

I'm reminded of views defending Japanese aggression in WWII against the allies and America in particular.  I know some prominent general-level officer in Japan's military (or whatever the code word for their military is) advanced this view and was sacked for it.  It struck me as pretty ridiculous and seemed to be simply an effort seeking to cast Japanese crimes in the best possible light.  His argument was essentially that because the US embargoed Japan after they stating slaughtering, invading, and raping the east, that this justified the attack on US forces, territories.  I fail to see how declining to sell oil to a nation justifies their attack.

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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14065144 - 03/04/11 08:48 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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TGRR said:

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zappaisgod said:
They are lying about their motivation.





So what?  They're not required to give any answer at all.



Requirements are funny things.  No other nation is required to deal with them either.





I agree.  Besides, why would we WANT them to use their own GAS RESERVES?  I say we wait until they make something that could be confused as a WMD.  Then we invade them and TAKE THE GAS FOR OURSELVES.





I think certain american patriots produce all the gas we'll ever need.:thumbup:


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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: Icelander]
    #14065194 - 03/04/11 08:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Good Grief. I heard these same old fear arguments when India and then Pakistan developed Nuclear programs.

NOTHING HAPPENED.

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OfflineAlphaFalfa
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: TheThinker]
    #14066521 - 03/04/11 02:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

ZOMG!!

Your right!!!

Its going to be exactly like before!!!!!

RELAX FOLKS, NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN....

Oh wait, this already happened twice in the past; Israel bombed Iraq in 81 and Syria in 07.

NVM FOLKS!

Back to normal....

Impending doom still imminent.


:lol:

your probally right tho, it won't surmount to anything, I just hope a nuclear terrorism doesn't occur anywhere near me.


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