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Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world.
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Yet....their 'peaceful' nuclear program is getting them into serious economic trouble and they have to import uranium, subjecting their own energy needs to an export market that they don't even come close to controlling.
Yeah, sounds real reasonable to me!
They clearly need all those nuclear plants and the sanctions that come with them to prosper as a nation!

Sources: http://www.eia.gov/cabs/Iran/NaturalGas.html
http://www.aftenposten.no/spesial/wikileaksdokumenter/article3988479.ece
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-12-29-Iran_N.htm
http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-iran-seeking-to-smuggle-purified-uranium-1.1152
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AlphaFalfa said: Yet....their 'peaceful' nuclear program is getting them into serious economic trouble and they have to import uranium, subjecting their own energy needs to an export market that they don't even come close to controlling.
Yeah, sounds real reasonable to me!
So what? They aren't under US jurisdiction, they can use whichever energy resources they please.
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: TGRR]
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TGRR said:
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AlphaFalfa said: Yet....their 'peaceful' nuclear program is getting them into serious economic trouble and they have to import uranium, subjecting their own energy needs to an export market that they don't even come close to controlling.
Yeah, sounds real reasonable to me!
So what? They aren't under US jurisdiction, they can use whichever energy resources they please.

Man, everything just flies over your head.
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AlphaFalfa said:
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TGRR said:
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AlphaFalfa said: Yet....their 'peaceful' nuclear program is getting them into serious economic trouble and they have to import uranium, subjecting their own energy needs to an export market that they don't even come close to controlling.
Yeah, sounds real reasonable to me!
So what? They aren't under US jurisdiction, they can use whichever energy resources they please.

Man, everything just flies over your head.
What, like national sovereignty?
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: TGRR]
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They are lying about their motivation.
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: zappaisgod]
#14050427 - 03/01/11 06:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They are lying about their motivation.
Not like they are the only ones.
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: TGRR]
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TGRR said:
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AlphaFalfa said: Yet....their 'peaceful' nuclear program is getting them into serious economic trouble and they have to import uranium, subjecting their own energy needs to an export market that they don't even come close to controlling.
Yeah, sounds real reasonable to me!
So what? They aren't under US jurisdiction, they can use whichever energy resources they please.
So what to your post, as well. What does the US have to do with Alpha's post? You seem to presuppose a point you neither show as a consequence of his argument or even bother to state.
One disparity I always found with arguments of the rights of states as applied to matters like these: the argument always seems to be that nothing prevents a given country from developing nuclear technologies, as they need answer to no one. Somehow the corrolary to this, that other countries need not respect the desires of the nuclear state, seems never to be considered.
While it is true that there is no supreme commander who can tell Iran not to make weapons technology, there is also no supreme commander who can tell the other states, rightly worried about the aggressive foreign policy and neo-fascist politics of Iran, to facilitate or tolerate their development of such technologies unimpeded.
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: johnm214]
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it makes little to no sense for a energy rich country to make themselves liable to the sanctions of more powerful states that can severly paralyze aspects of their economy that are vital(fuel costs, etc.) when they already contain more than enough energy to meet their needs.
its fucking ridiculous to think that they would import uranium and put billions into nuclear power plants simply for energy and some shitty forms of medicine for cancer.... slash a huge component of their economy off due to sanctions for electricity?
You gotta be kidding me.
Their solar capacity is also one of the biggest in the world. With all that money and the money that they would be making from not having sanctions on their economy, it seems ridiculous that they don't go solar and try for uranium....
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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it makes little to no sense for a energy rich country to make themselves liable to the sanctions of more powerful states that can severly paralyze aspects of their economy that are vital(fuel costs, etc.) when they already contain more than enough energy to meet their needs.
its fucking ridiculous to think that they would import uranium and put billions into nuclear power plants simply for energy and some shitty forms of medicine for cancer.... slash a huge component of their economy off due to sanctions for electricity?
You gotta be kidding me.
Their solar capacity is also one of the biggest in the world. With all that money and the money that they would be making from not having sanctions on their economy, it seems ridiculous that they don't go solar and try for uranium....
Everything you stated is factually accurate and self evident. As was stated they are lying about their motivations. The one variable you seem to have missed is the motivational force of real, true, deep seeded extreme hate. The kind of which that would allow one and ones whole country to teeter on the brink of self destruction if it afforded them the opportunity to kill those that are the objects of their hate.
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: Therian]
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it makes little to no sense for a energy rich country to make themselves liable to the sanctions of more powerful states that can severly paralyze aspects of their economy that are vital(fuel costs, etc.) when they already contain more than enough energy to meet their needs.
its fucking ridiculous to think that they would import uranium and put billions into nuclear power plants simply for energy and some shitty forms of medicine for cancer.... slash a huge component of their economy off due to sanctions for electricity?
You gotta be kidding me.
Their solar capacity is also one of the biggest in the world. With all that money and the money that they would be making from not having sanctions on their economy, it seems ridiculous that they don't go solar and try for uranium....
Everything you stated is factually accurate and self evident. As was stated they are lying about their motivations. The one variable you seem to have missed is the motivational force of real, true, deep seeded extreme hate. The kind of which that would allow one and ones whole country to teeter on the brink of self destruction if it afforded them the opportunity to kill those that are the objects of their hate.
How else would you describe an energy rich nation looking to invest billions, put stress on their own people through the economic sanctions that arise from such activities and then put themselves victim to a increasingly expensive and potentially volatile export/import market (uranium), when they can pinch at their natural gas, create highly efficient natural gas turbine generators and focus on their huge amount of solar capacity, thereby eliminating sanctions and economic stress and securing electrical energy for their future.
its a no brainer if the guy actually cared about his people and was being true to his word.
i smell fish and its getting more rotten by the second.
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: zappaisgod]
#14055650 - 03/02/11 04:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They are lying about their motivation.
So what? They're not required to give any answer at all.
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: TGRR]
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This is besides the point, second largest natural gas reserves, huge oil producing nation, and a whole lot of dates doesn't mean you can't have nuclear power.
Should they talk about it? Yes. Do I think they are trying to find deterrents against an ever expanding red zone around them? Yes. Do I ever think they would use nuclear weapons? No, and they especially wouldn't be giving it to Hezbollah or some satellite, it would mean the end of Iran and the middle east, they know that.
Do the people have a right to nuclear energy as opposed to oil or gas? Of course, and you're quite an asshole to say they shouldn't considering all the neighbors that harness the atom around them.
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: Trufflicious]
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They have all that oil and don't want to rely on it? Outrageous!
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: Teh_Freeky]
#14056459 - 03/02/11 07:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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You should be glad they don't want to be dependent on their oil and natural gas reserves. That means they will be able to export it, and that you can continue to drive your SUV.
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#14056512 - 03/02/11 07:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Teh_Freeky said: They have all that oil and don't want to rely on it? Outrageous!
Yeah, fuck them and their desire to develop non-fossil fuel power.
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: Trufflicious]
#14056518 - 03/02/11 07:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do the people have a right to nuclear energy as opposed to oil or gas? Of course
Please explain. How do you determine they have this right?
Further, even if we presume they do, what does it matter? Nobody is taking issue with "people" making nuclear energy, they're taking issue with Iran developing nuclear technology- for obvious reasons.
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Trufflicious said: Do I ever think they would use nuclear weapons? No, and they especially wouldn't be giving it to Hezbollah or some satellite, it would mean the end of Iran and the middle east, they know that.
Fine, let's presume you are correct (though it would be nice for some reasoning rather than bare claim): What does it matter? There is a large problem with having nuclear weapons floating around regardless of if they give them to somebody or use them (why wouldn't they use them on Israel? They suddenly change their foreign policy to more restrained after they have the a credible nuclear deterant? ). They can be stolen, abandoned, and so forth, with the exact same problems. Having crazy religious crusader states armed with nuclear weapons is not a very secure situation.
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: Canis latrans]
#14056819 - 03/02/11 08:14 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Canis latrans said: You should be glad they don't want to be dependent on their oil and natural gas reserves. That means they will be able to export it, and that you can continue to drive your SUV.
No shit. They will make more money selling the damn oil than they would using it. In the meantime added bonus they get to bankrupt more than one country.
Yet do you see any push to develop alternative fuels... totally other topic.
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Re: Iran's owns the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
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What are you talking about? Alternative fuels of the type people seem interested in (i.e. substantially more carbon per energy efficient than oil, coal, and within an order of magnitude as expensive ) have a huge amount of funding and public interest and are regularly covered in mass media, academic research, and government projects/grants.
As far as I can tell, the problem is they simply don't work as an alternative for anything other than niche applications (minus nuclear, though I think the hippies hate that too, and the gov't won't let you do it anyways). It seems like people just have blind faith that some "alternative fuel" is available to solve our problems if we just.... pass huge appropriations that get earmarked for for the same old ethanol scam?
I don't know bout that last one, I don't think anyone else does either: and that's the result of a demand for action on something unfeasable.
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