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New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them * 2
    #14048209 - 03/01/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.bonnaroo.com/tickets/ticket-info.aspx
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To help protect you and your Bonnaroo investment, you will receive a specially designed wristband with a unique RFID (Radio-Frequency Identification) chip that will be mailed to you in advance of the festival in lieu of a physical ticket.  This secure RFID chip in your wristband is unique to you and your order.  Your wristband is your ticket to Bonnaroo 2011!

Instructions regarding the RFID program and when and how to activate your wristband will accompany your order.




It's the New World Order versus the wooks! I somehow always knew it would come down to this. :fearandloathing:


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Adamist]
    #14048220 - 03/01/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

so they actually made their shit easier to hack...


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Adamist]
    #14048227 - 03/01/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Bonnaroo has a sweet lineup this year, but there is no way I can pay that much money. I'd fuckin love to see Bootsy Collins though..

Yeah, chips and shit in wristbands is weird. All for the sake of profit.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: gzuf]
    #14048280 - 03/01/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

just smash it with a hammer


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru] * 1
    #14048319 - 03/01/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think its a good idea :shrug:


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: memes]
    #14048327 - 03/01/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What? Festivals are supposed to be about freedom and awesomeness, nobody fucking needs to know exactly where you are


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru] * 1
    #14048332 - 03/01/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What? Festivals are supposed to be about freedom and awesomeness, nobody fucking needs to know exactly where you are




it's an rfid, not a gps :facepalm:


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru]
    #14048339 - 03/01/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What? Festivals are supposed to be about freedom and awesomeness, nobody fucking needs to know exactly where you are




If you haven't realized yet, the government ain't about freedom and awesomeness and they do need to know everything you say and do.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: bbl337]
    #14048355 - 03/01/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well there is a dramatically reduced government presence at festivals and that's the way i like it.

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What? Festivals are supposed to be about freedom and awesomeness, nobody fucking needs to know exactly where you are




it's an rfid, not a gps :facepalm:




lol okay, i guess its just to keep people from cutting up their wristbands and getting friends in.  But if they're scanning it at the security points that would be fucked up and lame, cause that is still a form of knowing where you are.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Devlish2]
    #14048360 - 03/01/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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guruu said:
What? Festivals are supposed to be about freedom and awesomeness, nobody fucking needs to know exactly where you are




If you haven't realized yet, the government ain't about freedom and awesomeness and they do need to know everything you say and do.




If you haven't realized yet, Bonnaroo is not the government.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru]
    #14048362 - 03/01/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

really, if you have any nerdy friends it's easier to get in now than it was before.  Have a few friends buy tickets, figure out the pattern they have (assuming they even have a pattern) and write new rfids.  It costs like 50 bucks in hardware to do it


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: bbl337]
    #14048419 - 03/01/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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really, if you have any nerdy friends it's easier to get in now than it was before.  Have a few friends buy tickets, figure out the pattern they have (assuming they even have a pattern) and write new rfids.  It costs like 50 bucks in hardware to do it




You would need to know what to write to the RFID though.

It's like event tickets with bar codes.  You can pretty much print out any bar code you want, but if its not linked to a purchased ticket, its useless.  The same would hold true with the RFID.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: badchad]
    #14048445 - 03/01/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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bbl337 said:
really, if you have any nerdy friends it's easier to get in now than it was before.  Have a few friends buy tickets, figure out the pattern they have (assuming they even have a pattern) and write new rfids.  It costs like 50 bucks in hardware to do it




You would need to know what to write to the RFID though.

It's like event tickets with bar codes.  You can pretty much print out any bar code you want, but if its not linked to a purchased ticket, its useless.  The same would hold true with the RFID.




as i said, buy a few tickets and look.  It's entirely possible they'll be stupid though and not write it well, trust me you'd be surprised.  I've done work in the security industry where they do shit like that against my recommendation.  The amount they lose is minuscule to nonexistant.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: bbl337] * 1
    #14048468 - 03/01/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It's the New World Order versus the wooks! I somehow always knew it would come down to this.



:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: bbl337]
    #14048469 - 03/01/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting.  I guess I figured if they went to the effort to use RFID's, they would be smart enough to make them tamper-proof.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Adamist]
    #14048514 - 03/01/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Figures Bonnaroo would be the first festie to do something this fucking lame.  Yet another reason why I won't go. 

Also, this isn't the New World Order vs wooks, no real wook would pay for a music festival.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: fapjack]
    #14048544 - 03/01/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

All you people thinking this is some lame tracking device are fucking hilarious.  True stereotypes to the max.  They will scan your wristband on the way in through the gate.  After which, it won't have a purpose.  They may install another one at the concertground to tryand gather some data about how many (and how frequently) of the roo participants actually see the music.

LOL.  Oh noes!  Soon they'll have a dataset!  With that they can make charts and graphs?!?!?!?!?!  Down with NWO.  Down with Excel!


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Adamist]
    #14048545 - 03/01/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The New Bonnaroo Order.. it has begun.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Asante]
    #14048601 - 03/01/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Excel is a tool of the NWO, it's the stuff that was found at ground zero...don't tell the wooks.  :Awesketch:


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: memes]
    #14048939 - 03/01/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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All you people thinking this is some lame tracking device are fucking hilarious.  True stereotypes to the max.  They will scan your wristband on the way in through the gate.  After which, it won't have a purpose.  They may install another one at the concertground to tryand gather some data about how many (and how frequently) of the roo participants actually see the music.

LOL.  Oh noes!  Soon they'll have a dataset!  With that they can make charts and graphs?!?!?!?!?!  Down with NWO.  Down with Excel!




But they have a gate in the middle of the festival where all the music is with security like you said.  So they will know when you're out and about and when you're in the middle.  And this will make it much easier for them to nab large drug suppliers.  Although people will still get around it.  Idk...it's just a bad direction to go in and i'm gonna smash my wristband with a hammer if i go :snub:


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru]
    #14048986 - 03/01/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I can see them doing this so DEA can track people.  Don't think the DEA isn't above it either, its the fucking DEA and Bonnaroo isn't exactly a fest run by heads for heads either.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru]
    #14048994 - 03/01/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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And this will make it much easier for them to nab large drug suppliers. 



Really?  tell me how. 


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: memes]
    #14049045 - 03/01/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe when they see a car come through with suspected drug dealers they keep track of their rfid chip so they can know when they are in the center or not, and if then plan their drug busts based on that knowledge


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru]
    #14049053 - 03/01/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

although probably not.  like it said, this is an emotional reaction, and i don't give a fuck


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru]
    #14049064 - 03/01/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you guys should wear these to shield the RF:



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    #14049158 - 03/01/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol: Tinfoil gloves FTW


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: DieCommie]
    #14049241 - 03/01/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Devlish2 said:
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guruu said:
What? Festivals are supposed to be about freedom and awesomeness, nobody fucking needs to know exactly where you are




If you haven't realized yet, the government ain't about freedom and awesomeness and they do need to know everything you say and do.




If you haven't realized yet, Bonnaroo is not the government.





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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Devlish2]
    #14049530 - 03/01/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You've got to be pretty fucking dense to deny that they would use this to track people. It's entirely possible.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru]
    #14049658 - 03/01/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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guruu said:
Quote:

meams said:
All you people thinking this is some lame tracking device are fucking hilarious.  True stereotypes to the max.  They will scan your wristband on the way in through the gate.  After which, it won't have a purpose.  They may install another one at the concertground to tryand gather some data about how many (and how frequently) of the roo participants actually see the music.

LOL.  Oh noes!  Soon they'll have a dataset!  With that they can make charts and graphs?!?!?!?!?!  Down with NWO.  Down with Excel!




But they have a gate in the middle of the festival where all the music is with security like you said.  So they will know when you're out and about and when you're in the middle.  And this will make it much easier for them to nab large drug suppliers.  Although people will still get around it.  Idk...it's just a bad direction to go in and i'm gonna smash my wristband with a hammer if i go :snub:




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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: urbanwolf]
    #14049694 - 03/01/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

>Implying Bonnaroo isn't gay.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Nordique]
    #14049752 - 03/01/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They could do background checks on all ticket holders, then when someone comes through and is scanned they could do a shake down on them based on their information and call it random. Would be a easy way to nab dealers and/or people with criminal records. Anonymous has been defeated.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Kada]
    #14049781 - 03/01/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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They could do background checks on all ticket holders, then when someone comes through and is scanned they could do a shake down on them based on their information and call it random. Would be a easy way to nab dealers and/or people with criminal records.




Seriously?

Tickets were bar coded before.

They could have done this before.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14049795 - 03/01/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Were each and every one scanned upon entry? RFID one's will be.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru]
    #14050852 - 03/01/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14050988 - 03/01/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Adamist]
    #14050998 - 03/01/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this thread is dumb

all kinds of stuff have RFID chips

Its a more accurate way of accounting, as it were


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #14051076 - 03/01/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Christ there are some paranoid motherfuckers in here.  So let's say you buy 10 tickets on a card, how THE FUCK will they know who the other 9 people in the group are?  Hmmm?  If anything, they'll be using them to keep track of how many people are at a given area at a given time.  Like someone said, better accounting.  They can't know who the holder of EVERY wristbands is, it's impossible.  They can't know exactly where you are at all times unless there are readers every 5 feet that you're forced to pass through. 



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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #14051096 - 03/01/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If you haven't realized yet, Bonnaroo is not the government.





*was not

bonnaroo was much different just a few years ago, now all they have to do is
set up rfid scanners at various locations and they track your every movement,
on the way to the festie and while your there, then when you're leaving...
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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14051138 - 03/01/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
If you haven't realized yet, Bonnaroo is not the government.





*was not

bonnaroo was much different just a few years ago, now all they have to do is
set up rfid scanners at various locations and they track your every movement,
on the way to the festie and while your there, then when you're leaving...
it's like tracking cows, cows carrying illegal drugs




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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: memes]
    #14051154 - 03/01/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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All you people thinking this is some lame tracking device are fucking hilarious.  True stereotypes to the max.  They will scan your wristband on the way in through the gate.  After which, it won't have a purpose.  They may install another one at the concertground to tryand gather some data about how many (and how frequently) of the roo participants actually see the music.

LOL.  Oh noes!  Soon they'll have a dataset!  With that they can make charts and graphs?!?!?!?!?!  Down with NWO.  Down with Excel!




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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: circularvortex]
    #14051161 - 03/01/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14051178 - 03/01/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, a dataset of nameless numbers with no link to the person those numbers represent


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: SS32]
    #14051369 - 03/01/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Unless they see you and find out which number you are.  It's information they can use, and arouses paranoia for good reason.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru]
    #14051399 - 03/01/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It arouses paranoia if you're prone to paranoia.  If you see things for what they really are, there's nothing to worry about.  The fact of the matter is, they CANNOT track you with RFID.  Learn about the capabilities/limits of the technology and see if you're still scared.  The chips are passive and in most cases, you have to be within a foot or two of a reader to power up the chip to get info from it.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: SS32]
    #14051446 - 03/01/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i mean i wouldn't really give a shit as long as i can still walk around really fucked up on drugs and not have to worry more than normal.  But I just don't like hearing about it, it's a direction i'd prefer festivals not to go in.  Mild paranoia.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: bbl337]
    #14051486 - 03/01/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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so they actually made their shit easier to hack...




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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru]
    #14051501 - 03/01/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm no RFID conspiracy theorist, but I wouldn't go to Bonnaroo if I was paid.

Something about corporate profits and music festivals just don't jive with me.

I mean fuck, last year they had Kanye West as a headliner. I want no part of that bullshit.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: g00ru] * 4
    #14051562 - 03/01/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's pretty embarrassing how Luddite some people can be.

Information gathering, people tracking, it's bad stuff.  It's not bad because it leads to some inevitability but rather because it provides a weakness that can be exploited.

There is certainly nothing good that comes from this.  To hear people chastise others as paranoid about the potentials of a government that at this moment is responsible for the ongoing and truly heinous torturing of individuals, some of them citizens of Western nations like the U.K., Germany, and indeed Americans too is ignorance revealed.

There are most certainly folk out there who want to control the lives of others.  I think calling them "The Illuminati" or "The New World Order" does a serious disservice to the message, and to the actual reality of things.  The reality is that there are lots of moneyed, intelligent bullies out there who want to tax and control people and do so through government.  You don't need some grand conspiracy or conglomerate of evil folks like the Secret Society of Super Villains to tell that story.  It's much more visceral than that, it's local, state and federal government.  It's the police and the judicial system.

You think these people don't want to make more money by locking more people up unjustly and profiting from the economy that surrounds such incarceration?  That's fine I guess, but the last 100 years disagree with you.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Humility] * 1
    #14051611 - 03/01/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You dont need RFID chips to lock people up.  People have been locking other people up like mad ever since locks were invented.  Tyrants are the problem, not technology.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Humility]
    #14051665 - 03/01/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

To be clear, I don't advocate "banning" RFID or anything like that.  Rather I propose choosing to not participate in businesses that use it or events that make use of it.

Contributing to the relinquishing of your own freedom, in this case in the form of levels of anonymity, isn't a good move in my book.  Sure I agree that data collection is just a tool, and RFID a method of data collection/storage but to put yourself at the behest of those who might use such a tool is foolish imo.

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Adamist]
    #14051979 - 03/01/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like I wont be able to counterfeit or sneak in under the radar this time.
Drats.
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    #14052028 - 03/01/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What a shame. Sneaking into a music festival that has pretty much made a name for itself as something a music festival should never be.

It's like the Walmart of festivals. Fuck bonnaroo.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #14052206 - 03/01/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, ive really been on the fence about this shit for a minute, its just sketchy as fuck, not to mention the conflict that will probably arise when the wrong gang bangers bump into some hippies,
not to mention the abundance of fake shit going around,
state police roaming around the fest like they own it, which they probably do,
and now you gotta worry about getting tracked, even if its not plausible, its rumored, and i dont see that sitting well with anyone trying to have a good time.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Tydel] * 2
    #14052328 - 03/02/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can't believe people here don't think the DEA could use this technology to keep a tab on people.  This is an organization that puts GPSes onto peoples cars and watches them for months, a group that regularly wiretaps people for months, and has gotten peoples EZpass records to monitor people.  What makes you think using this technology to monitor and track people is unreasonible?  Do people not move large quantities of drugs at these shows?  Is it that much harder to track people in large crows of several thousand people?  This isn't a tin foil hat, any large dealer that would go to this festival and possibly get tracked around with this is fucking retarded.  Fuck Bonnaroo, and fuck RFID tags on a concept that is supposed to be about freedom of expression, what a joke.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: fapjack]
    #14052598 - 03/02/11 02:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Comprehension fail. Do you know what an rfid tag is? And what the hell do you think, you're some kind of scarface? Nobody will track you because nobody cares about you


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: 13.step]
    #14052607 - 03/02/11 02:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What are they gonna bust people wearing RFID tags for? honestly unless there the large ones that are the size of a small pill there gonna need to be walking around with a laptop and a scanner to even bring up the information on you, not to mention there then going to have to find you amongst a see of people. It's not being used for anything like what you people are being paranoid about.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Humility]
    #14052921 - 03/02/11 05:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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To be clear, I don't advocate "banning" RFID or anything like that.  Rather I propose choosing to not participate in businesses that use it or events that make use of it.

Contributing to the relinquishing of your own freedom, in this case in the form of levels of anonymity, isn't a good move in my book.  Sure I agree that data collection is just a tool, and RFID a method of data collection/storage but to put yourself at the behest of those who might use such a tool is foolish imo.

It's like registering your weapons in Nazi Germany.  Understand?




well put. the thing that's interesting is to look at age demographics and responses that correlate with each group.

generally speaking, folks in the 18-25 demographic have a view of "private" that is not shared by their parents or grandparents. if this technology were to have existed in 1970 i wonder what the response would have been?

the things people are willing to reveal about themselves to complete strangers is utterly baffling to me. i tend to trust no one until they have proven themselves trustworthy.

not to say that i have an ill view of my fellow humans. I've just been roaming around the planet long enough to understand that there are definite forces which seek to exploit me, no matter how benign that exploitation may seem at the time.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: SS32]
    #14053185 - 03/02/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes, a dataset of nameless numbers with no link to the person those numbers represent





you buy a tracking device, use a credit card because you had to buy online,
they mail it to you, they had to have your name and address, you have to
activate it, again, probably online where you'll enter your name again and
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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: SS32]
    #14053223 - 03/02/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The fact of the matter is, they CANNOT track you with RFID.  Learn about the capabilities/limits of the technology and see if you're still scared.  The chips are passive and in most cases, you have to be within a foot or two of a reader to power up the chip to get info from it.





hahahaha... all bullshitting asside, this is completely wrong, the fast pass
for toll roads uses RFID tech and there's at least 15 feet and a car body
between the chip and the scanner, the gen2 tags which have been in use for a
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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14053232 - 03/02/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What are they gonna bust people wearing RFID tags for? honestly unless there the large ones that are the size of a small pill there gonna need to be walking around with a laptop and a scanner to even bring up the information on you, not to mention there then going to have to find you amongst a see of people. It's not being used for anything like what you people are being paranoid about.





hahahah RADIO FREQUENCY... which  also means they can relay signals





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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14053250 - 03/02/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Wait... what?  Are you claiming they can transmit away from the scanner?  :confused:


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Wait... what?  Are you claiming they can transmit away from the scanner?  :confused:




no... I'm not making that claim at all but every ham radio operator on the planet says they can


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    #14053295 - 03/02/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Unless they are powered by a battery, they are passive and cannot transmit on their own without an external field to power them up.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: DieCommie]
    #14053334 - 03/02/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the scanner can transmit as well as receive, the signal can be relayed around the world...  the chip only has to sit there


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14053343 - 03/02/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes, a dataset of nameless numbers with no link to the person those numbers represent





you buy a tracking device, use a credit card because you had to buy online,
they mail it to you, they had to have your name and address, you have to
activate it, again, probably online where you'll enter your name again and
probably other info like an email... yeah... completely nameless



i was just talking to my friends about this, and im glad i went before all this bullshit started.
how effective do you think it would be if everyone( i mean everyone) removed and destroyed their bracelets upon entry? i wouldnt recommend saving them and taking them back to your house.but i guess it wouldnt matter because they will be mailed to you beforehand. 


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #14053349 - 03/02/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what about gate privileges, you know, to pass in and out, cant do it without the chip


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    #14053354 - 03/02/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what do you mean gate privileges, like going into centeroo or entering and exiting the festival?


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14053370 - 03/02/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why would they care what everyone of the people was doing? And why invest in processing all the data? To get what? I still don't think there's anything sinister behind this(I'm a savage optimist) also, blocking the chip should be fairly easy, that way you can get fucked up without the government knowing behind which tree you took a piss and how long you vomited behind the main stage and still be able to get in out...Win/Win (Bi-Winning if you want :hehehe:)


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #14053371 - 03/02/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah... that's pretty much what I mean... suppose you want to hit waffle house
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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14053378 - 03/02/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i try not to leave once im there unless i absolutely have to. all i can say to that is bring enough munchies.


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    #14053390 - 03/02/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Why would they care what everyone of the people was doing? And why invest in processing all the data?




why even issue RFID tags if they arent wanting to process the data, they have
the tags, scanners and the software to use the tags, why invest that if they
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blocking the chip should be fairly easy




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why invest that if they
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Presumably, because its easier and cheaper than using bar codes.


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i try not to leave once im there unless i absolutely have to. all i can say to that is bring enough munchies.






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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14053441 - 03/02/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well sure they're gonna process the data, but to see what people are doing and how they can optimize the layout and stuff like that (don't know much about Bonaroo, I'm referring to administrational problems) And it's a lot easier to get in with a chip instead of having a guy check your whristband to see if maybe that 3 in the code isn't a bit to slanted for an original band, so no more lines in theory.

Suit of armor would be aweseome, but I'm sure there are better radio-opaque materials to wrap the band in (concrete comes to mind :naughty:)

I just thought about something interesting, how do they prevent people from cutting them off and giving them to friends? Do they stop working if you cut them? Or is there actually a guy looking at each and every one?


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: 13.step]
    #14053604 - 03/02/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

or it could be that the organizers are working with police to bust as many
wooks as they can and there will be scanners on the roads entering and
leaving bonnaroo as well as in the festival

with those RFID wrist bands I know I wont be attending bonnaroo this year, I
also didnt attend last year or any of the years prior so it's not like I'm
missing much more than a lack of sleep, loads of heat an mud and some nasty wooks


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14053641 - 03/02/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Wow Super Scary, thanks for posting this OP!

And I was thinking of this;

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there will be scanners on the roads entering and
leaving bonnaroo as well as in the festival




We all know they have checkpoints, etc. for cars coming in (every year Shroomerites have road stories coming to or leaving from Bonnaroo...now if the roadblock cops have the RFID scanners, they'll know which cars are associated with the festival. For hippie vans and buses this is no big deal, obviously they are going, but for people trying to be DL and discrete in normal cars, normal hair/clothes...

Just weird technology to be associating with a music festival...

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #14053707 - 03/02/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hilarious. A bunch of druggies discussing illegal activities on a publicly accessible web site going haywire over some RFIDs that are there to prevent ticket fraud. :tinfoil:

This place keeps cracking me up, every day.

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Prisoner#1 said:
hahahah RADIO FREQUENCY... which  also means they can relay signals




So fucking what? If you can log it, you can relay the signal. And then what? Worried about HAM radio nerds logging your bonnaroo RFID tag? Oh noes!!111!! :scream:
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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: dwpineal]
    #14053708 - 03/02/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The RFID's that I've used need to be in VERY close proximity to be read, like, touching the reader.  You couldn't really scan a car that's driving by.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: badchad]
    #14053729 - 03/02/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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badchad said:
The RFID's that I've used need to be in VERY close proximity to be read, like, touching the reader.  You couldn't really scan a car that's driving by.



false. you can get credit card numbers through clothing purses and wallets just by being on the same street as an rfid credit card.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14053734 - 03/02/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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koraks said:
Hilarious. A bunch of druggies discussing illegal activities on a publicly accessible web site going haywire over some RFIDs that are there to prevent ticket fraud. :tinfoil:

This place keeps cracking me up, every day.

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
hahahah RADIO FREQUENCY... which  also means they can relay signals




So fucking what? If you can log it, you can relay the signal. And then what? Worried about HAM radio nerds logging your bonnaroo RFID tag? Oh noes!!111!! :scream:
For once Pris you're so far out of your depth I need fucking sonar to see where you're at.



1st of all not everyone here is a druggie, second of all youre insanely naive for not seeing why this is a big deal.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #14053750 - 03/02/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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1st of all not everyone here is a druggie, second of all youre insanely naive for not seeing why this is a big deal.



Sure son. I'd never given thought to the implications of information technology and RFID in particular before stumbling on this thread. I'm also totally unaware of the possible relationships this sort of technology has with oppressive regimes, and have never given thought to that whatsoever. You guys really opened my fucking eyes :rolleyes: But I gotta run to the store now to buy 100 rolls of tinfoil.

Oh yeah, bring on the shit storm. I'm ready. Just consider this statement: paranoia tends to get in the way of sane judgment.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14053771 - 03/02/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just think that if there was a conspiracy to bust people they'd do it the old fashioned way with undercover buys and observation.

I mean, they could run the plates of every car entering, and background check every credit card order.  However, it's pretty intensive to do background checks on 80k people.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14053776 - 03/02/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

so why not explain it to us since you're so well versed, I mean Chris Padget
gave us a pretty detailed overview of the range these devices can be read
from, hundreds of others have told about other ways they can be misused
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    #14053826 - 03/02/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sure, I think there is a potential for misuse.  It's a matter of what the RFID provides that is BEYOND current capabilities. They have the potential to misuse all types of info.

I mean, in the demographic, I'd guess 80% of the patrons carry a cell-phone, and will have it on.  They could easily triangulate user locations.

Hell, they don't need bonaroo to do it.  They could do something like this every day of the week.  And maybe they do, maybe they don't. They don't need RFID to pull off the things they're discussing.

Hell, it would be easier to get credit card records from Bonaroo, and have local agents take you do the day after you got home.


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    #14053846 - 03/02/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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badchad said:
Sure, I think there is a potential for misuse.  It's a matter of what the RFID provides that is BEYOND current capabilities.





really, what's beyond current capabilities. all they need on the tag is a
number, from there they have the info on whom ever ordered the tickets, what
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    #14053860 - 03/02/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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really, what's beyond current capabilities. all they need on the tag is a
number, from there they have the info on whom ever ordered the tickets, what
more do they need




That's the point I was trying to make.  They already got your name on the ticket order.

They could triangulate you with your cell phone, your license plate.  Hell, they could add all the bonaroo attendees and track them everytime they visited the bank, used an EZ pass etc.

I'm trying to see what great advantage RFID provides if someon was erally intent on tracking you.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: badchad]
    #14053936 - 03/02/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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badchad said:
  They already got your name on the ticket order.

They could triangulate you with your cell phone, your license plate.





cell phone, yes, license plate no but they'd have to have the cell phone
ESN/number or other info and company you deal with, unless it's a burner,
with the RFID they have your name and can associate it with a specific set
of tags


Quote:

Hell, they could add all the bonaroo attendees and track them everytime they visited the bank, used an EZ pass etc.

I'm trying to see what great advantage RFID provides if someon was erally intent on tracking you.




they can tailor pop up ad for you on the roadways with these new LED billboards


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14053957 - 03/02/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

DieCommie said:
If you haven't realized yet, Bonnaroo is not the government.





*was not

bonnaroo was much different just a few years ago, now all they have to do is
set up rfid scanners at various locations and they track your every movement,
on the way to the festie and while your there, then when you're leaving...
it's like tracking cows, cows carrying illegal drugs



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    #14053971 - 03/02/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

About the long-range tracking thing, 'cause apparently there's some of you concerned with the Bonna-illuminati-roo tracking your ass down from space: long-range tracking is apparently possible. Currently up to a whopping 500ft using experimental techniques and a 70W transmitter. Note that within that 500ft radius, it's only possible to read the ID's of the tags; not their location. So within that area, you know which ID's are there, but you have no fucking clue where they are exactly.

Using that information, and still assuming there is some 3vil force trying to see if you're secretly smoking a bowl on someone else's porch, you can go two ways:
1. assume that the evil bastards implement one huge ass transmitter which they operate from a U2 spyplane or suspend from one of the highly suspicious Google satellites. Operating at a power of, let's conservatively estimate ca. 500kW, they might be able to get juuust enough juice to the tag around your wrist to activate it. And then it will respond with a tiny signal that is completely undetectable from any distance larger than a couple of thousand feet. So the evil Bonnaroo-nazi's need a fucking grid of RFID readers around the planet to see where their precious tags are at. Which takes us to the next possibility:
2. The evil suckers secretly implement an RFID reading grid all over the planet to see what wristbands are still active and where they're at. Needless to say, this is a bit of an expensive solution, so perhaps unlikely for the organizers of a friggin' music festival. But then again, if too much pot smoking indeed has made you insanely paranoid, nothing's really too far-fetched, is it?

So let's assume the Naziroo's can trace your particular wristband worldwide and with frightening accuracy. What then, bitches? As long as you have that little thing on your body (and I'm not talking about that ridiculously little other thing), they might be able to locate where you are. So after the festival...take it off! During the festival: what the fuck do you care that they know you're currently enjoying a brilliant Opeth set on Stage X? Without the RFID tag, wouldn't they still have known where you were (oh, you're one of those legions of people who buy tickets for festivals and then don't attend...fuck, didn't realize that)?

Sure, question any method or technology that might compromise your privacy. But any moron can do that. Turns out there aren't too many people who can do that in a realistic manner, with the knowledge that privacy is not a binary thing (either on or off, present or absent), but a gliding scale, and that you'll always be somewhere on that scale. And that any form of technology may have implications for where you are on that scale. But remarkably, I don't see too many people whining about the illuminati tracking down their cellphone (which is MUCH more realistic and is actually a method widely applied in law enforcement) or tracing down their shroomery, 4chan and growery posts to their current IP address (all possible, and in the case of 4chan repeatedly happened).

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    #14053978 - 03/02/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If they implement this well I think it's a good idea.


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    #14053997 - 03/02/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
they can tailor pop up ad for you on the roadways with these new LED billboards


I believe that's the real purpose




I would wholeheartedly agree with this assessment.

But hey, if this is true then maybe they'll realize I don't need penis enhancement pills.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14054017 - 03/02/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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koraks said:
About the long-range tracking thing, 'cause apparently there's some of you concerned with the Bonna-illuminati-roo tracking your ass down from space: long-range tracking is apparently possible. Currently up to a whopping 500ft using experimental techniques and a 70W transmitter. Note that within that 500ft radius, it's only possible to read the ID's of the tags; not their location. So within that area, you know which ID's are there, but you have no fucking clue where they are exactly.

Using that information, and still assuming there is some 3vil force trying to see if you're secretly smoking a bowl on someone else's porch, you can go two ways:
1. assume that the evil bastards implement one huge ass transmitter which they operate from a U2 spyplane or suspend from one of the highly suspicious Google satellites. Operating at a power of, let's conservatively estimate ca. 500kW, they might be able to get juuust enough juice to the tag around your wrist to activate it. And then it will respond with a tiny signal that is completely undetectable from any distance larger than a couple of thousand feet. So the evil Bonnaroo-nazi's need a fucking grid of RFID readers around the planet to see where their precious tags are at. Which takes us to the next possibility:
2. The evil suckers secretly implement an RFID reading grid all over the planet to see what wristbands are still active and where they're at. Needless to say, this is a bit of an expensive solution, so perhaps unlikely for the organizers of a friggin' music festival. But then again, if too much pot smoking indeed has made you insanely paranoid, nothing's really too far-fetched, is it?

So let's assume the Naziroo's can trace your particular wristband worldwide and with frightening accuracy. What then, bitches? As long as you have that little thing on your body (and I'm not talking about that ridiculously little other thing), they might be able to locate where you are. So after the festival...take it off! During the festival: what the fuck do you care that they know you're currently enjoying a brilliant Opeth set on Stage X? Without the RFID tag, wouldn't they still have known where you were (oh, you're one of those legions of people who buy tickets for festivals and then don't attend...fuck, didn't realize that)?

Sure, question any method or technology that might compromise your privacy. But any moron can do that. Turns out there aren't too many people who can do that in a realistic manner, with the knowledge that privacy is not a binary thing (either on or off, present or absent), but a gliding scale, and that you'll always be somewhere on that scale. And that any form of technology may have implications for where you are on that scale. But remarkably, I don't see too many people whining about the illuminati tracking down their cellphone (which is MUCH more realistic and is actually a method widely applied in law enforcement) or tracing down their shroomery, 4chan and growery posts to their current IP address (all possible, and in the case of 4chan repeatedly happened).

Sure, there's an opt-out. You can always pull a McVeigh. Go ahead.




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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14054045 - 03/02/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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koraks said:
About the long-range tracking thing, 'cause apparently there's some of you concerned with the Bonna-illuminati-roo tracking your ass down from space:





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    #14054056 - 03/02/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:tinfoil:


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    #14054092 - 03/02/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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badchad said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
they can tailor pop up ad for you on the roadways with these new LED billboards


I believe that's the real purpose




I would wholeheartedly agree with this assessment.

But hey, if this is true then maybe they'll realize I don't need penis enhancement pills.





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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14054099 - 03/02/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

id say that theres a possibility that the chips are merely just for profiling purposes this year, But whats next year, there gonna sit on this RFID shit and they will find a way to exploit it, this would have been my first bonarroo this year, now i dont think ill eveer see it, oh well, theres much beter fests out there, seems to me bonarroo is too chaotic anyways


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14054100 - 03/02/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:tinfoil:






I have that same trifle dish... I knew it... you're a cointel pro shill... part of the Roolluminati, a disinfo agent


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: koraks]
    #14054400 - 03/02/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you think the DEA is above using this technology to monitor people's movements you are kidding yourself.  Whatever though, if you don't have a problem with people tracking when you get to the concert, when you go in to see music, or whenever you encounter a security guard be my guest.  I personally have a big issue with this kind of shit because its totally unwarranted for these assholes to have this kind of shit at a festival.  Its a custy fest anyway though, if you wanna go have a blast.


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    #14054410 - 03/02/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just don't see why they are choosing to use a technology that can easily used to track people like animals (which is actually something RFID is used for) when advanced bar codes can accomplish the same thing. Hell, it's probably just as cheap to make magnetic strip cards that people can carry.


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    #14054477 - 03/02/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Fear not people (and wooks) I have come to save you from the threat of the NWO/illuminati/ lizard gang-rapists :

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    #14054510 - 03/02/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Bonaroo Is a great way to test out RFID chips in large crowds. They might not be much now but these chips will make their presence known years from now. People are still too jumpy to accept RFID chips but just give it a couple a years, a few crappy concerts, and before long everyone will love it. It'll be incorporated into everything we do. If you're fuckin paranoid now tell me why you're on the internet? Especially on a forum that deals with illegal drugs. There are a few people here that need to shove their tinfoil up their asses. I'm not saying I like RFID chips but I see it as a way of life in 10 to 20 years.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14054581 - 03/02/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Bonaroo Is a great way to test out RFID chips in large crowds. They might not be much now but these chips will make their presence known years from now. People are still too jumpy to accept RFID chips but just give it a couple a years, a few crappy concerts, and before long everyone will love it. It'll be incorporated into everything we do. If you're fuckin paranoid now tell me why you're on the internet? Especially on a forum that deals with illegal drugs. There are a few people here that need to shove their tinfoil up their asses. I'm not saying I like RFID chips but I see it as a way of life in 10 to 20 years.




First off, the situations of being here on the shroomery talking about illegal drugs and being RFID tracked during a concert are a lot different. The only agencies who have any interest in seeing what we're doing on the shroomery don't have the time to go after individual drug users. At a music festival, though, the cops will be there just to bust drug users and dealers. They'd be stupid to NOT use RFID technology to help that end.

Second, RFID chips have the potential to be exploited, and that's their problem. There are other ways of making unique multipurpose objects that can be scanned and used as bank cards and identification, etc without the added ability to track where people are all the time.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: fapjack]
    #14054609 - 03/02/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If you think the DEA is above using this technology to monitor people's movements you are kidding yourself.





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    #14054624 - 03/02/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

chips in wristband? i NO Like this idea! :noway:


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14054769 - 03/02/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it's ok... it's just for marketing purposes... at $7.49/lb




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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14054776 - 03/02/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There's gonna be a buncha shady mother fuckers looking like Michael Jackson at Bonnaroo.



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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14054811 - 03/02/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah this is some scary shit. i think if i go to a fest this year i'll make sure it's one where i can buy my ticket at the gate.


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    #14055032 - 03/02/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this thread has been lolz


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    #14055063 - 03/02/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If you think the DEA is above using this technology to monitor people's movements you are kidding yourself.





dude... you're starting to sound like me, is that how you want to be remembered?




Probably agree with you on more shit than I disagree with you, I only have a problem with you for constantly banning me for stupid shit.  The police have used cell phones to bust people, they have used myspace and facebook to bust people.  All those things are totally optional to use at a concert setting, this stupid RFID shit is mandatory if you want to attend.  I don't trust the shady fucks throwing this shitty festival, and I don't trust the law enforcement to not utilize this technology.  I hope no other festival is arrogant enough to have this shit, because I for one won't go.  It has nothing to do with me being afraid of getting busted either, it has to do with me putting my foot down and saying "Fuck you" to tracking people at festivals for whatever stupid reasons they have.  Figures Bonnaroo is the first festival to try something this fucking lame.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: fapjack]
    #14055265 - 03/02/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: 13.step]
    #14055376 - 03/02/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This thread is so full of awesome that its almost ridiculous.

and to the people bitching about paying to go to a music festival, It is no different to pay to go to a concert, you are just paying more for multiple concerts (and life experience) at one large location.

You can't put a price on pure joy.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Jamio]
    #14055623 - 03/02/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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This thread is so full of awesome that its almost ridiculous.

and to the people bitching about paying to go to a music festival, It is no different to pay to go to a concert, you are just paying more for multiple concerts (and life experience) at one large location.

You can't put a price on pure joy.




I might have missed something, but I didn't see anyone bitching about paying for festivals. I saw plenty of people bitching about Bonnaroo putting RFID tags in peoples wrist bands.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Jamio]
    #14055712 - 03/02/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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This thread is so full of awesome that its almost ridiculous.

and to the people bitching about paying to go to a music festival, It is no different to pay to go to a concert, you are just paying more for multiple concerts (and life experience) at one large location.

You can't put a price on pure joy.




Yes you can. 60 bucks a pill.

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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Synesthetic]
    #14055713 - 03/02/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can verify that.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: Kada]
    #14055790 - 03/02/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

80's are not joy and certainly are not worth $60. Tolerance is a bitch and it would costs to much for them to be worth it.

IMO, Opana is where its at (at the same price for 40mg).

Also back on topic, you are correct, I misread it, it was someone saying that wooks would not pay to go to music festivals, sorry, though it was him bitching about paying for fests.


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Re: New Bonaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: fapjack]
    #14058169 - 03/03/11 01:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If you think the DEA is above using this technology to monitor people's movements you are kidding yourself.  Whatever though, if you don't have a problem with people tracking when you get to the concert, when you go in to see music, or whenever you encounter a security guard be my guest.  I personally have a big issue with this kind of shit because its totally unwarranted for these assholes to have this kind of shit at a festival.  Its a custy fest anyway though, if you wanna go have a blast.




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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them/ ALL OF U MISSED IT! [Re: g00ru]
    #14579686 - 06/08/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The point is to "control" who sells the drugs. Surely you know it's ok to have drugs there....they catch a few coming in to make it look good to the residents of the area.  The State Revenue guys go around looking for drug tax stamps....if you have them, they don't bother you. You can purchase your drug tax stamps out of Nashville anonymously...perfectly legal.  The Bonnaroo folks want to "catch" unapproved sellers and will do so by watching your "traffic" in and out of the festival grounds. If you aren't "one of theirs"...bet you #$* that you will be hauled off.  Also the RFID's have strict requirements behind where you can leave and re-enter (only certain exit and entry points)....it's not just about tracking you, it's about limiting you. You can't go off site easily and buy from a non-Bonnaroo vendor of any type. Read the new rules of "Bonnaroo" and they give an overview...they just don't explain the "why of it". Those little neighborhood vendors sitting in someones front yard will be shut out of selling anything because there will be no "foot entry" or "foot exit" near them...it's all closed off and fenced out. BOO TO BONNAROO for not playing nice to local entrepreneurs who are the ones that put up with smelling the portopotties and the traffic, filth, and noise that comes with 80K patrons.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them/ ALL OF U MISSED IT! [Re: BigBooger]
    #14579710 - 06/08/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

what the fuck are drug tax stamps. They expect drug dealers to pay taxes? :ahahaha:


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    #14579725 - 06/08/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The point is to "control" who sells the drugs. Surely you know it's ok to have drugs there....they catch a few coming in to make it look good to the residents of the area.  The State Revenue guys go around looking for drug tax stamps....if you have them, they don't bother you. You can purchase your drug tax stamps out of Nashville anonymously...perfectly legal.  The Bonnaroo folks want to "catch" unapproved sellers and will do so by watching your "traffic" in and out of the festival grounds. If you aren't "one of theirs"...bet you #$* that you will be hauled off.  Also the RFID's have strict requirements behind where you can leave and re-enter (only certain exit and entry points)....it's not just about tracking you, it's about limiting you. You can't go off site easily and buy from a non-Bonnaroo vendor of any type. Read the new rules of "Bonnaroo" and they give an overview...they just don't explain the "why of it". Those little neighborhood vendors sitting in someones front yard will be shut out of selling anything because there will be no "foot entry" or "foot exit" near them...it's all closed off and fenced out. BOO TO BONNAROO for not playing nice to local entrepreneurs who are the ones that put up with smelling the portopotties and the traffic, filth, and noise that comes with 80K patrons.




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Bring your drugs to the local police shop, get some drug tickets, then hit up Bonnaroo!  What are you waiting for?


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them/ ALL OF U MISSED IT! [Re: BigBooger]
    #14579744 - 06/08/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The point is to "control" who sells the drugs. Surely you know it's ok to have drugs there....they catch a few coming in to make it look good to the residents of the area.  The State Revenue guys go around looking for drug tax stamps....if you have them, they don't bother you. You can purchase your drug tax stamps out of Nashville anonymously...perfectly legal.  The Bonnaroo folks want to "catch" unapproved sellers and will do so by watching your "traffic" in and out of the festival grounds. If you aren't "one of theirs"...bet you #$* that you will be hauled off.  Also the RFID's have strict requirements behind where you can leave and re-enter (only certain exit and entry points)....it's not just about tracking you, it's about limiting you. You can't go off site easily and buy from a non-Bonnaroo vendor of any type. Read the new rules of "Bonnaroo" and they give an overview...they just don't explain the "why of it". Those little neighborhood vendors sitting in someones front yard will be shut out of selling anything because there will be no "foot entry" or "foot exit" near them...it's all closed off and fenced out. BOO TO BONNAROO for not playing nice to local entrepreneurs who are the ones that put up with smelling the portopotties and the traffic, filth, and noise that comes with 80K patrons.



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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them/ ALL OF U MISSED IT! [Re: Kada]
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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: 13.step]
    #14579883 - 06/08/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"Tennessee, for example, raised $3.5 million from enforcement of their drug tax between 2004 and 2008."

If the bands have been cut, you will not be allowed into the festival per the new "rules" posted on the Roo site.


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    #14579890 - 06/08/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"Tennessee, for example, raised $3.5 million from enforcement of their drug tax between 2004 and 2008."

If the bands have been cut, you will not be allowed into the festival per the new "rules" posted on the Roo site.


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    #14579897 - 06/08/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"Tennessee, for example, raised $3.5 million from enforcement of their drug tax between 2004 and 2008."

If the bands have been cut, you will not be allowed into the festival per the new "rules" posted on the Roo site.

FYI - the strongest drug I may take is an Aleve or Tylenol so put that in your wacko pipe and smoke it.


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    #14579906 - 06/08/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"Tennessee, for example, raised $3.5 million from enforcement of their drug tax between 2004 and 2008."

If the bands have been cut, you will not be allowed into the festival per the new "rules" posted on the Roo site.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them/ ALL OF U MISSED IT! [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #14579913 - 06/08/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Here's an FAQ from TN website with info about the drug tax stamp.
http://www.tennessee.gov/revenue/faqs/unauthsubfaq.htm


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: BigBooger]
    #14579941 - 06/08/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What retard would buy drug stamps?  If you get caught with it it's illegal anyways.


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    #14579970 - 06/08/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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What retard would buy drug stamps?  If you get caught with it it's illegal anyways.




This is what I haven't figured out.

You think they're going to let you slide because you bought a tax stamp?

What retard thought up this tax stamp idea? There's a good question.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them/ ALL OF U MISSED IT! [Re: BigBooger]
    #14579971 - 06/08/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #14579986 - 06/08/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The answer is enough to have generated over 5million from 2005 (when the law was enacted) and 2007 when this article was written...and I quote:" The state tax on felony amounts of drugs — rates vary by substance — started in January 2005 and has sparked an ongoing legal battle over the fairness and legality of the fee.

(Tennessee) State agents have collected $5.4 million so far, with an untold portion of that coming from their efforts at Bonnaroo, the only event in the state manned by tax agents.

Please note that tax agents do NOT ask you who you are and cannot arrest you for drug possession and the info they do get is inadmissable in any future arrest...they just want your tax monies...and you continue to sell at the event.


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The answer is enough to have generated over 5million from 2005 (when the law was enacted) and 2007 when this article was written...and I quote:" The state tax on felony amounts of drugs — rates vary by substance — started in January 2005 and has sparked an ongoing legal battle over the fairness and legality of the fee.

(Tennessee) State agents have collected $5.4 million so far, with an untold portion of that coming from their efforts at Bonnaroo, the only event in the state manned by tax agents.

Please note that tax agents do NOT ask you who you are and cannot arrest you for drug possession and the info they do get is inadmissable in any future arrest...they just want your tax monies...and you continue to sell at the event.




:lolocaust:

It's nice to think like this - certainly not the case.  Whether or not that's what the law says, I can promise you that's not how things go down at Bonnaroo.


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Re: New Bonnaroo wristbands have RFID chips in them [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #14580009 - 06/08/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Saw a lot of people get busted last year...Inside and outside of the festival.  DEA Agents walked through our campsite.


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    #14580016 - 06/08/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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What retard would buy drug stamps?  If you get caught with it it's illegal anyways.




This is what I haven't figured out.

You think they're going to let you slide because you bought a tax stamp?

What retard thought up this tax stamp idea? There's a good question.




I heard when this idea first came out a few years ago, it was a way to tack on tax evasion charges on people charged with selling drugs. Since the sale of drugs usually is unreported income anyways. Not like you'd report that on your 1040. You buy the stamp, you get caught selling the same amount of drugs you paid taxes on, no tax evasion. Just sale of a controlled substance.

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