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Otxilac
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Id request- Argentina horse dung
#14048180 - 03/01/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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 Habitat: Horse Dung in argentina
Gills: greenish
Stem: thick, solid
Cap: varies from 1 inch to 2 inches
Spore print color: redish
Bruising: none thanks!!
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Twiztidsage
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Otxilac]
#14048186 - 03/01/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Growing near or on dung?
Looks like Agaricus to me.
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Otxilac
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Twiztidsage]
#14048207 - 03/01/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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on dung with decomposing leaves around it. and there is still dung on some of them
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Twiztidsage]
#14048216 - 03/01/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Twiztidsage said:
Looks like Agaricus to me.
Agreed, perhaps they were just pushing up through the dung?
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Lhun]
#14048400 - 03/01/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Probably an edible Agaricus. What does it smell like?
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Otxilac
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Chaos_ultt]
#14048444 - 03/01/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It has a strong soil smell. But looks very appeticing
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Chaos_ultt]
#14048448 - 03/01/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree with Agaricus sp.
Does it stain red when you cut it? or no?
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Otxilac
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: St. Chibes]
#14048470 - 03/01/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No man no red staining at all. i wonder if they are edible
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Otxilac]
#14048540 - 03/01/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can't/won't advise eating any mushroom as my knowledge is limited. Though they very well could be edible.
Maybe someone with more knowledge on Agaricus will see this thread and be able to help you out.
Nice finds though!
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: St. Chibes]
#14048546 - 03/01/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does it stain any color? Yellowish? Brownish? And the earthy smell, is it close to the store bought mushrooms? Looks and habitat point a bit in the direction of Agaricus bisporus...
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Otxilac
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Tangich]
#14048616 - 03/01/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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it doesnt stain any color at all. I wont eat them. i was hoping they were some active species since they where growing all around horse dung. They are all over eventhough there here no copes around. I saw a bunch of p. antarium.
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Otxilac]
#14049008 - 03/01/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Definitely Agaricus.
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Primal Call
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: German Kahuna]
#14050038 - 03/01/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: Definitely Agaricus.
try breaking the bottom of a stem and give it a good smell. if it is sweet or almondy it should be edible. if it stains yellow where you break the stem, it is inedible. if it smells like nothing or like bleach or paste, it could be inedible, but it's hard to say.
are they really firm? try rubbing the margin of the cap with your finger until some of the cap starts pulling away. wait to see if there is a color change there. or slice one down the cap and stem and look for a color change there.
I find Agaricus really interesting, but they can be a PITA to ID. if you can get your hands on some KOH, you'd be in much better shape....
hope this helps; I envy your collection if they are edible...

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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Primal Call]
#14053085 - 03/02/11 07:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ryath said:
Quote:
German Kahuna said: Definitely Agaricus.
try breaking the bottom of a stem and give it a good smell. if it is sweet or almondy it should be edible. if it stains yellow where you break the stem, it is inedible. if it smells like nothing or like bleach or paste, it could be inedible, but it's hard to say.
are they really firm? try rubbing the margin of the cap with your finger until some of the cap starts pulling away. wait to see if there is a color change there. or slice one down the cap and stem and look for a color change there.
I find Agaricus really interesting, but they can be a PITA to ID. if you can get your hands on some KOH, you'd be in much better shape....
hope this helps; I envy your collection if they are edible...


If it stains yellow and smells of phenol/ink/urine/chemical it's inedible. I've eaten some rather nice yellow stainers, but in my experience, inedible ones are more common.
 OP, let us know if you find out if they're edible or not, could be an awesome find!!! Chances are that more will spring up.
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Darklight203]
#14053109 - 03/02/11 07:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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OP won't find out if they are edible or not, he just wants to get high apparently. I still believe these might be Agaricus bisporus. Oh my, what I would do if I found a collection like this! The cloning, the eating, the rolling around them in dung! I'm getting all sticky just thinking about it...
Edited by Tangich (03/02/11 08:09 AM)
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Tangich]
#14053159 - 03/02/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Brown (wild) variant of A. bisporus is what I think they are, too.
-------------------- "Vegetarian" [ /ˌvedʒəˈteəriən/] - Ancient slang meaning "village idiot who can't hunt, fish or ride".
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Tangich] 1
#14053229 - 03/02/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tangich said: OP won't find out if they are edible or not, he just wants to get high apparently. I still believe these might be Agaricus bisporus. Oh my, what I would do if I found a collection like this! The cloning, the eating, the rolling around them in dung! I'm getting all sticky just thinking about it...
I'm with you!!! I got a picture of me hugging a bag full of A. bisporus, I will upload that as my avatar soon. I would put them in a basket and skip around, talk to them, give a few away, cook them up and proceed to enjoy digesting the the soul food...the things I would do...
-------------------- In ancient times, when demons roamed with man, They hunted, loved and lost, hand in hand, As time went on, the difference between them faded. You couldn't tell anymore, demons and man were related, and some would say the same, but who would like to claim? In time, Gods had even forgot, Demons, too, once love had sought. In times recent I remember, Once I was a man, In my heart I had an ember, I'll relate the best I can but it was snuffed, one distant December. And yet here I stand, no flesh, no bones, no seed or semen, All that's left is this Demon.
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German Kahuna
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Darklight203]
#14053281 - 03/02/11 08:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just bought what were possibly the most perfect looking, firmest and densest brown A. bisporus fruits yesterday. Needless to say I carried the nicest specimen straight into my lab and cloned it.
-------------------- "Vegetarian" [ /ˌvedʒəˈteəriən/] - Ancient slang meaning "village idiot who can't hunt, fish or ride".
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: German Kahuna]
#14053293 - 03/02/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hahaha actually me to!  Never saw buttons that large and healthy! But I decided against cloning, seeing how I already have ~15 species going, A. blazei and A. bitorquis among them. And then I thought how I would give anything if I could find a wild specimen... OP, you wouldn't by any chance be willing to trade a tissue sample if you find any more, would you?
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Tangich]
#14058474 - 03/03/11 05:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks guys. There where no stains at all and also a friend of mine said it was a comom shroom in the area that they called Champiñon. I dont just want to pick and get high man!Id like to learn a thing or two and make use of the shrooms i am picking. There has been some rain in the area so i will go out and check for more.
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Otxilac]
#14058481 - 03/03/11 05:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Champiñon. Yes. Agaricus bisporus. That is an awesome find man, don't waste it. Try cooking and eating a small amount. Even if you get poisoned (extremely unlikely), Agaricus poisoning isn't severe and doesn't leave consequences. But if you don't, you have one of the best edible mushrooms there is! A good meal can sometimes be better than a trip.
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Tangich]
#14058503 - 03/03/11 05:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not to mention it's good for you and tasty. I've had Agaricus poisoning , mild stomach cramps and flushing...I'd say hork those puppies down in a wild mushroom sautee or stuff them. WOOT and invite me over for dinner.
-------------------- In ancient times, when demons roamed with man, They hunted, loved and lost, hand in hand, As time went on, the difference between them faded. You couldn't tell anymore, demons and man were related, and some would say the same, but who would like to claim? In time, Gods had even forgot, Demons, too, once love had sought. In times recent I remember, Once I was a man, In my heart I had an ember, I'll relate the best I can but it was snuffed, one distant December. And yet here I stand, no flesh, no bones, no seed or semen, All that's left is this Demon.
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German Kahuna
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Darklight203]
#14058543 - 03/03/11 06:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sadly I don't think the OP is even interested in edibles nor does he understand what a culinary treat he is wasting.
-------------------- "Vegetarian" [ /ˌvedʒəˈteəriən/] - Ancient slang meaning "village idiot who can't hunt, fish or ride".
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Otxilac]
#14058583 - 03/03/11 06:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Otxilac said: . I dont just want to pick and get high man!Id like to learn a thing or two and make use of the shrooms i am picking. There has been some rain in the area so i will go out and check for more. 
I think he wants to eat them if they are edible... Just like with any novice hunter, its a very daunting task.
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German Kahuna
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: The Inner Eye]
#14058604 - 03/03/11 07:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good call, I missed that.
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: German Kahuna]
#14059061 - 03/03/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Perhaps we can convince him to try them and he realizes how amazing all mushrooms can be. And good deed done. I think we can all agree that they are a non-poisonous Agaricus, right?
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Darklight203
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Tangich]
#14059251 - 03/03/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would get a shovel and a bag, and take the poo home and mix it with compost like GK has suggested before. Could have a few more flushes of yummables.
-------------------- In ancient times, when demons roamed with man, They hunted, loved and lost, hand in hand, As time went on, the difference between them faded. You couldn't tell anymore, demons and man were related, and some would say the same, but who would like to claim? In time, Gods had even forgot, Demons, too, once love had sought. In times recent I remember, Once I was a man, In my heart I had an ember, I'll relate the best I can but it was snuffed, one distant December. And yet here I stand, no flesh, no bones, no seed or semen, All that's left is this Demon.
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Darklight203]
#14059413 - 03/03/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would give these a try if they past all the tests.
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Primal Call
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Re: Id request- Argentina horse dung [Re: Tangich]
#14059476 - 03/03/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tangich said: Perhaps we can convince him to try them and he realizes how amazing all mushrooms can be. And good deed done. I think we can all agree that they are a non-poisonous Agaricus, right?
I think so... It's as close as we can get without getting our hands on them or some KOH on his side.
I would definitely try a small sample first though, just to be safe. 
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